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[braveone2u]

Beckys_Mom, on 22 February 2012 - 12:56 PM, said:

What signs?

[Does not mean Jesus would be the same or even get accused of the same thing.. He might not ... That's of course he is real]

IF Jesus were real (and yes, he didn't write the New Testement, etc.)..., but I believe a person of his "charisma" (and I'm not talking about the miracles he did, and his story was probably hyped) was on earth a long time ago because he made such an impression on far too many people for him to be a mere fiction. And like I said from my posts, and one should always read carefully, "If Jesus WERE to come back, he WOULD be a Superman-like figure. It WOULD be quite a big difference from the first. Jesus WOULDN'T be placed on trial; it WOULD be the other way around. Judgment Day." Who would be the accuser this time, I wonder?? I could never make myself plainer than that.

[Funny about what you two have been writing about!] Yes, the joke's on me because I'm talking about the religion from which I have broken away a long time ago.


[What signs?]

It's only appropriate to include this since we're talking about Christianity, etc.: (Matthew 19:24) "Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

Do you really want to know because it's not about words? What are you willing to give up? What are you willing to sacrifice? Many saints (not just Christian saints) and mystics have paid dearly just to get a tiny bit (of "sign"), and more often than not, most people leave this world without a clue. Before I go on, I need to find out if you're really serious, or if you're just in it for amusement? Several people have already contacted me..., and I devote my entire life to this.

[Beckys_Mom]

braveone2u, on 22 February 2012 - 08:59 PM, said:

Do you really want to know because it's not about words? What are you willing to give up? What are you willing to sacrifice? Many saints (not just Christian saints) and mystics have paid dearly just to get a tiny bit (of "sign"), and more often than not, most people leave this world without a clue. Before I go on, I need to find out if you're really serious, or if you're just in it for amusement? Several people have already contacted me..., and I devote my entire life to this.

I think too much time is wasted looking out for signs as told in a bible...  My opinion is so many people should not sit around waiting.. They have done it for centuries and still nothing..  If people just got on with their lives and not focused on the end of times,  they would likely enjoy life... All this sign watching, date giving.. making as many dates as possible  ( after so many failing ).. and injecting others with fear of the end.. Is nonsense  in my view...

You cannot know  what signs really are.. Just like you cannot know  if God will return So I like so many will not sit around waiting ..We just get on with life..  I sure wouldn't devote my life to any of it.. I devote my life to my family  and the things I need to do each day.. Like  my responsibilities..  

People have devoted their lies to this  in the past, they are long dead now too... It gets no where

Edited by Beckys_Mom, 23 February 2012 - 10:44 PM.

[braveone2u]

Beckys_Mom, on 23 February 2012 - 10:43 PM, said:

I think too much time is wasted looking out for signs as told in a bible...  My opinion is so many people should not sit around waiting.. They have done it for centuries and still nothing..  If people just got on with their lives and not focused on the end of times,  they would likely enjoy life... All this sign watching, date giving.. making as many dates as possible  ( after so many failing ).. and injecting others with fear of the end.. Is nonsense  in my view...

You cannot know  what signs really are.. Just like you cannot know  if God will return So I like so many will not sit around waiting ..We just get on with life..  I sure wouldn't devote my life to any of it.. I devote my life to my family  and the things I need to do each day.. Like  my responsibilities..  

People have devoted their lies to this  in the past, they are long dead now too... It gets no where

You have the right to think it's wasted time, but for others, following a certain course, not necessarily Bible or some holy book-based path, may lead to something worthwhile. One thing leads to another. Besides, time is really relative when it comes to the nature of the soul. If it takes me many lifetimes to find the answers to my remaining questions, then so be it. I can't think of a better reason to spend my time. I can only go by the many answered questions in my life, the results; therefore, my personal pilgrimage or quest is not a waste, not for one minute, just like you don't feel that you're wasting your life pouring your efforts on your family. Thing is, being responsible to your family is a path in itself.

On the other hand, I'm totally with you about wasting time looking for signs when it comes to the end of the world; I'm also not waiting for the return of Christ nor God(?). It's just not in my cards, and it doesn't interest me. It's the reason why I don't go there with Christians because I really don't care about all that drama.

Edited by braveone2u, 24 February 2012 - 12:51 PM.

[Hero of our time.]

"But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay [them] before me."  Luk 19:27

Your Jesus is here. But you don't understand him . Because your all fool, blind. When you see him , he will heal you. But you must serve him first.Be obedient to his government/ empire.

[Beckys_Mom]

braveone2u, on 24 February 2012 - 12:50 PM, said:

but for others, following a certain course, not necessarily Bible or some holy book-based path, may lead to something worthwhile.

It has never ever been proven to be worthwhile for centuries, I doubt it is now...  And  the people that threw up their end of time dates  that are long past, year after year, decade after decade ..all were so sure, all preached and some even injected fear to others.  and not one, not a single one of them  have been proven to be worthwhile.. There is no logic in it

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         . I can't think of a better reason to spend my time.          

I can, I have family and other things to do with my time.. Like - have a life.. and make good use of it  and not sit wondering if the world will end  and ohh look is that a sign...?   No thank you    I speak on my own behalf of course

[braveone2u]

Beckys_Mom, on 24 February 2012 - 04:22 PM, said:

It has never ever been proven to be worthwhile for centuries, I doubt it is now...  And  the people that threw up their end of time dates  that are long past, year after year, decade after decade ..all were so sure, all preached and some even injected fear to others.  and not one, not a single one of them  have been proven to be worthwhile.. There is no logic in it



I can, I have family and other things to do with my time.. Like - have a life.. and make good use of it  and not sit wondering if the world will end  and ohh look is that a sign...?   No thank you    I speak on my own behalf of course

There is no logic to it. John of Patmos is not even a direct disciple of Jesus... Nah, the world will never end, but it may not be to a human's liking -- that's another story. On the other hand, dying is a 'revelation' because a person's life is ending, and many things go through a person's mind and consciousness during that situation. After that process, and in most cases (unless he or she gets resurrected), death is an end to that person's material world. Speaking of drama, death can be very traumatic...on many levels, without sounding sacrilegious.

[Beckys_Mom]

braveone2u, on 24 February 2012 - 08:12 PM, said:

There is no logic to it.

I know, which is why I will not waste time on it

[ZaraKitty]

Does that mean a new jesus will be born again and in another 20 years he'll be wise and loving? Cause its 2012.. and the world's still full of hate.

[and then]

Only a biblically illiterate person(or a Charlatan) would name a day and hour for Christ's return.  He said while He was here that no man knew the day or hour.  The bible also says that in the last days scoffers would come, denying His coming.  Saying that the promise of his coming was still unfulfilled.  Not a bad prediction for a couple thousand years ago.  Anyway, not here to argue in a pointless exercise... but I believe He could return most any time now.  Just like the millions before me who are now gone physically from this life.
This pastor who made that prediction last year has now admitted his "error".  I didn't read his excuse because he's not worth the time.  People like him only cause others not to believe.
BTW, the book says Christ's coming will be unmistakable...like lightening coming from east to west but it will catch most of humanity unaware.

Best wishes and peace to you all.

[karmakazi]

and then, on 10 March 2012 - 11:15 AM, said:

Only a biblically illiterate person(or a Charlatan) would name a day and hour for Christ's return.

Some of them are afraid and need some kind of answer to cling to, they aren't all illiterate or charletans.  They're just scared.

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The bible also says that in the last days scoffers would come, denying His coming.  Saying that the promise of his coming was still unfulfilled.

When haven't people scoffed at this and said it has been unfulfilled?

[Beckys_Mom]

karmakazi, on 10 March 2012 - 11:57 AM, said:

Some of them are afraid and need some kind of answer to cling to, they aren't all illiterate or charletans.  They're just scared.



When haven't people scoffed at this and said it has been unfulfilled?

Exactly..Also  I beleive if this Jesus exists,  when he returns, many of his followers will condemn him.. So many will ask him for proof and expect miracles..  All doubters... Yet ironically they don't need proof to follow a bible, the text itself doesn't need to preform miracles..  

If Jesus is real, and he had any sense, knowing how people are now?  He would not come back for more punishment

[and then]

Beckys_Mom, on 10 March 2012 - 01:14 PM, said:

Exactly..Also  I beleive if this Jesus exists,  when he returns, many of his followers will condemn him.. So many will ask him for proof and expect miracles..  All doubters... Yet ironically they don't need proof to follow a bible, the text itself doesn't need to preform miracles..  

If Jesus is real, and he had any sense, knowing how people are now?  He would not come back for more punishment

I get what you're saying BM.  And you're right IMO...at least up to a point.  I think a huge number of people who call themselves Christian will see Him as a stranger but no one will abuse Him this time.  This time he doesn't come as a meek spirit.  This time he will come in power and will put down all rebellion.  The ultimate dictator is how non Christians will see Him but only briefly.  Christians will gladly exchange their "freedoms" for a world where true justice prevails.  These are my beliefs and I fault no one for differing.  I'm 51 and as I look at the chaos in the world I am beginning to believe that I may well still be living when He returns.

[Beckys_Mom]

and then, on 10 March 2012 - 01:52 PM, said:

I get what you're saying BM.  And you're right IMO...at least up to a point.  I think a huge number of people who call themselves Christian will see Him as a stranger but no one will abuse Him this time.  

If you actually believe that, then you are sadly mistaken...    Of course  many will abuse him.. unless he  proves himself.. If not, then he will get abuse and locked up along side all the other nut crackers  that claim to be him..

I do not think Jesus existed.. but if he did.. I doubt he would want to return knowing how sad  humans are and how they never change

A lot of his condemners will be Christians.. Not atheists  or non Christians ..    It was  those in the bible   condemned him  even AFTER some saw his miracles.. That's  what humans are like...If he has any sense, he will stay away..  And  Also  it is most likely why he has never returned after all this time.. dates given, came and gone.. No Jesus..  I doubt there ever will be

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      This time he will come in power and will put down all rebellion

Yea sure    And  there will be no freaks that will claim it is a devils trick... lol  Of course there will be.. all waiting to chant devil in disguise  and trickery.. There is no satisfying  everyone.. And the only ones ironically will chant that are his followers !!!

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I'm 51 and as I look at the chaos in the world I am beginning to believe that I may well still be living when He returns.               

World wars and chaos  were going on  long before you were a  child ..Humans were always  mad in the head and  caused  chaos... It is not that uch different now.. So don't go holding your breath ...Killing, slaughter, hate, violence..   been going on from  the the word GO...  It is not as if  now  we just have a new crime trend !!

Not to sound bad  but...There have been people like you that came and went, that believed that the world was so messed up that Jesus had to come and save them...  They all went and nothing..  I do not know what makes you different .. Sorry.

Edited by Beckys_Mom, 10 March 2012 - 07:12 PM.

[and then]

No need to be sorry.  That's my point - everyting gonna be ayrie
See, that's the beauty of it all.  If I really choose to try to live my life according to the principles Christ lived then I do no one any harm.  If some day long after I've shuffled off the mortal coil some bright person proves I was mad as a hatter for believing - well so what?  The point is I only tried to do good, even when evil was done to me.  I think that's why Christ's message has lasted all this time.
And remember, BM, my possible delusion   includes the faith that Christ is the Creator.  No one here will have the power to do any harm to Him.  On the contrary, He will stop the chaos and finally bring peace for all who survive mankind's final orgy of violence.  He came as a Lamb the first time.  This time the world will meet the Lion.

[Beckys_Mom]

and then, on 10 March 2012 - 07:12 PM, said:

No need to be sorry.  That's my point - everyting gonna be ayrie
See, that's the beauty of it all.  If I really choose to try to live my life according to the principles Christ lived then I do no one any harm.  If some day long after I've shuffled off the mortal coil some bright person proves I was mad as a hatter for believing - well so what?  The point is I only tried to do good, even when evil was done to me.  I think that's why Christ's message has lasted all this time.

There is nothing wrong with trying to lead your life  like Christ would have liked..  Sometimes people  need a role model to look up to, actually a lot of people have.

I personally  don't have a role model to try and strive to be like, but I have learned to do it on my own...For example -  I know that  Lies, and violence  and so on can hurt me, so I will steer from that as I like to be treated with respect.  I know I won't get respect by lying and using violence, and if I do get some from it, then it would only be out of their fears and that is not true respect..

I learn life's lessons as I go...  I make mistakes.. but that's a good thing, because I can learn from them.. So  I do not strive to live like some idol  or Jesus... I strive  to live life best I can for myself and my loved ones ..........Strive to be happy is the key

You would do the same   even if thee was never a mention of Jesus ...

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        No one here will have the power to do any harm to Him. On the contrary, He will stop the chaos and finally bring peace for all who survive mankind's final orgy of violence. He came as a Lamb the first time. This time the world will meet the Lion.  

In all honesty, all you are doing is taking man's word for granted.....   God  is said to work in mysterious ways, and if Jesus is God, then  he can very well  return  in a way none of you expect...  Taking things for granted  is too easy,  but can set you in for a downfall...   What you expect is one thing, what you might get is another..

The bible is just man made... no one truly knows what God really will do.. but feel free to hang on to the words given by unknown authors. with nothing to back it..

I on the other hand will  take each day as it comes and to care to think about it...  I am not on earth to sit and wait for some  messiah to come...I find that pointless and a waste of my time......... I am here to work and raise my family  amongst other things.. I cannot live my life by a man made book, that is clearly made up by so many men that liked to make stories up.....

Edited by Beckys_Mom, 10 March 2012 - 09:48 PM.