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[Raptor Witness]

This thread is dedicated to predictions of a graphic or artistic style.  The event or events you are presenting here now, should be expected to occur before the date of December 21, 2012.

This type of forecast is like looking at a painting, or listening to a piece of music or poetry, and attempting to absorb the meaning of the piece.  In this case, however, that meaning is pointing to a future event, that may be unexpected and historical, or unusually catastrophic.

The term "retroactive clairvoyance" doesn't cover every instance of cryptic or artistic prediction, but it's a fair argument in most claims, and this thread welcomes skeptics as heartily as believers.  It's just another way of saying that hindsight is 20-20.  A very valid argument ... with limits.

This style has been used to protect psychic and prophetic artists and writers during times of danger, when free speech was under attack.  I would also argue ... to preserve and protect the timeline of history.  If you have any doubt that this is a time of danger, you need only look at Julian Assange, the founder of Wikileaks.  If you need an example of what I mean by the timeline of history, read the [Prime Directive] set forth by the writer Gene Rodenberry in the TV series Star Trek.  You may not understand the message until the events unfold, because of the rules set forth by the very power revealing them through you.  They then can become a signpost that points ahead, not backwards.

If you care to share a few past examples of this unique style along with your successes, and which can be verified by two dated sources on the Internet or elsewhere, please feel free to post these, as they may relate to your current body of work.

Edited by Raptor Witness, 21 December 2010 - 10:40 AM.

[Raptor Witness]

Here's a good example of what I mean, and how it's done. My interpretation below is just a theory, but I think a valid one.

Even if you're not Christian, here's a science problem for you. What else have men made with their own hands in all of history, where they literally appear to worship a "talking idol image," and which you could argue is designed to deceive them. Nothing else that I can imagine would fall under the curious description below, but it may well have been predicted in a cryptic message to the future. If this is the item described, it means that things aren't quite what they seem.

[Rev. 13:]
14 Because of the signs it was given power to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived the inhabitants of the earth. It ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15 The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed.

If this were the only parallel in the same graphic text, you might consider it just a random shot in the dark, but there's more, because at the same time this "thing" was predicted to appear on earth, so was another phenomena.  Can anyone here tell me what it was?

[The Silver Thong]

If one looks back at all the predictions/prophecy's that Nostradamus made then looks to our history we can (implant) actual events that happened and make them fit his predictions. As you mentioned hindsight is 20/20.

[Seeker79]

It's not possible to relize a prediction and not be looking back at it. No matter how acurate or inacurate it is.  

Relized revlations will always be in hindsight.

[Raptor Witness]

I accept that hindsight is, and will always be more accurate than foresight.  Also, using hindsight to help determine the degree of rarity of a predicted item, and which helps distinguish it from what some might consider the inevitable, is unavoidable.  For example, if something really bad happens historically, such as the atomic bombing of Japan during WWII, and someone tells me two thousand years in advance that men will make fire come down from heaven in full view of other men, I doubt that my hindsight will eclipse the accuracy of the foresight I’ve been presented.

This makes the cryptic example I’ve given above in post #2 such a good one, because there are only two predictions in chapter 13 of a technological nature, attributed to the curious entity called the "F. P."  One is fire from heaven presented in full view of men, and the other is this curious "talking idol image."  I find the odds of both of these presented together, interesting, but far more amazing is that both probable technologies; namely, the atom bomb and the television, appeared on earth at the same time, and in the same country.  Not to mention that one technology is likely how “full view” is accomplished of the other.  In other words, we’re not just talking about a singular prediction, but a cohesive one. This cohesion increases the mathematical odds of a prediction dramatically.

I might expect a prediction of men to someday fly like birds and drop weapons of fire on other men, but the "full view" part is where my eyebrows raise, because that's not something I would expect from the imagination of a first century man. "Full view" via a "talking idol image" is pretty darn good.

So here’s part one of the technological prediction presented in post #2 above.

[Rev. 13]

13 And it performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people. 14 Because of the signs it was given power to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived the inhabitants of the earth. It ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15 The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed.

Edited by Raptor Witness, 03 January 2011 - 09:02 AM.

[Seeker79]

I understand where you are comeing from. I have always viewed the "beast" as the technology/civilization/government/ machine that began with agriculture and the loss if our aboriginal ways ( the tree of knowledge and its fruits). Way to many things to be ignored. I study all spiritual writtings. One day I was reading revelations and the part about sounding trumpets, people being caught up in clouds, suddenly was playing on my television. It was the scenerio at wounded knee. Trumpets sounded the Indians died in hails of gun and cannon fire that created a thick gunpowdered cloud. It basically was the end of their race/way if life.  

I was chilled at the similarities.

War, disease, famin, that the new society white people brought also contributed to the demise of that entire civilization. Exactly as predicted for the world. I think it's easy to say that all societies end, and they all probably end exactly like that. Guess who is next?

Edited by Seeker79, 03 January 2011 - 06:06 PM.

[Agent. Mulder]

Raptor Witness, on 03 January 2011 - 08:22 AM, said:

I accept that hindsight is, and will always be more accurate than foresight.  Also, using hindsight to help determine the degree of rarity of a predicted item, and which helps distinguish it from what some might consider the inevitable, is unavoidable.  For example, if something really bad happens historically, such as the atomic bombing of Japan during WWII, and someone tells me two thousand years in advance that men will make fire come down from heaven in full view of other men, I doubt that my hindsight will eclipse the accuracy of the foresight I’ve been presented.

This makes the cryptic example I’ve given above in post #2 such a good one, because there are only two predictions in chapter 13 of a technological nature, attributed to the curious entity called the "F. P."  One is fire from heaven presented in full view of men, and the other is this curious "talking idol image."  I find the odds of both of these presented together, interesting, but far more amazing is that both probable technologies; namely, the atom bomb and the television, appeared on earth at the same time, and in the same country.  Not to mention that one technology is likely how “full view” is accomplished of the other.  In other words, we’re not just talking about a singular prediction, but a cohesive one. This cohesion increases the mathematical odds of a prediction dramatically.

I might expect a prediction of men to someday fly like birds and drop weapons of fire on other men, but the "full view" part is where my eyebrows raise, because that's not something I would expect from the imagination of a first century man. "Full view" via a "talking idol image" is pretty darn good.

So here’s part one of the technological prediction presented in post #2 above.

[Rev. 13]

13 And it performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people. 14 Because of the signs it was given power to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived the inhabitants of the earth. It ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15 The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed.

Right. Its so vague and can be left to interpretation and seen as correct any time. Even though we know its actually not, and its far off.

[Raptor Witness]

Agent. Mulder, on 03 January 2011 - 10:09 PM, said:

Right. Its so vague and can be left to interpretation and seen as correct any time. Even though we know its actually not, and its far off.

Thanks for your input, but please explain at what point you wouldn't consider a prediction or example of foresight to be vague?

[Virtual Particle]

Consider that the first beast is how the masses misrepresent themselves or are misrepresented, by for example social taboo's....

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Revelation 13:14-15 (New International Version, ©2010)
14 Because of the signs it was given power to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived the inhabitants of the earth. It ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15 The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed.

Large populations influenced by the wrong decision....

In relation to the End of Days the last change in the cycle was about 7,800 years ago according to the record and in relation to modern interpretation... that interpretation could be incorrect and the time scales could be very much longer as in 78,000 years ago that being how it was taught to me.... while there are other cultures that do present that particular time in history as disastrous....

Toltec accounts speak of something fundamental that alters our way thinking about life. That when things change like this and given the potential of the masses, things can really go wrong...especially given that, due to how things have been misrepresented the masses have a false image of life...or a false image as to the consequences of there actions.

Just my thoughts?



Interesting topic Raptor

Edited by Virtual Particle, 04 January 2011 - 05:31 AM.

[Seeker79]

End of days scenerios are all cyclical.
Civilizations rise, then fall, rise then fall, then sometimes major events usser in a dark age, then a renassunce. The tempo will get fevorish just line economys these days then a full collapse will be the result. Only aboriginal ideas survive without this.

Many point to modernism as pulling societies out of dark ages, but for aboriginal peoples, there were no dark ages. During the black death and the destruction of those times the "known world" was in trouble while north America, Australia, and places that still held aboriginal values were just fine. Nothing ever dark about their ages, until technology and "civilization" was brought to them, then it destroyed them.

The meam of civilization is the beast. It will destroy anything that gets in it's way. It has enslaved humanity under the guise of progress, it is destroying the earth, restrics and dulls all of our natural ways of being..... Spirituality, sexuality, instincts, love, and friendship. You cannot buy or sell without it's aprooval. Most of us are forced to work the greater part of our lives away with little or no free time or freedom, and if it takes notice of you as a threat it will kill or imprisson you. Make no mistake it is very conciouse. More so than any Antichrist.

All this from a guy with an iPhone and a nice Toyota tundra..... I'm a hypocrite.

[Raptor Witness]

Seeker79, on 04 January 2011 - 10:17 AM, said:

All this from a guy with an iPhone and a nice Toyota tundra..... I'm a hypocrite.

No one who thinks like you do, is a hypocrite in my book.

I've never explained what my current cryptic signature means, but I will here.  It explains how tiny faith moved a mountain long ago, to where none existed, and how the faithless will be reminded of this through the destruction of their own man-made miracles.  Essentially, the peril to come will be directly proportional to the denial of the power at hand. It's less a religious argument, and more one of how helpful change can occur.

If you can't see the danger ahead, then perhaps the artists presenting here can be of assistance.

Edited by Raptor Witness, 04 January 2011 - 08:59 PM.

[Virtual Particle]

For the prophet to have seen that one day we would have the power to destroy ourselves is incredible..at the time mankind was nowhere near such a potential....in Ezekiel God states that his army would return Israel to the promised land..now that happened after WW II and the efficacy of that condition is still enforced by NATO of, which the US is a member...I feel that in relation to how one evaluates historical works one should consider certain primary terms in the context of that time in history....

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A number of young-earth creationists purport to find in Isa. 40:22 and Job 26:7 evidence that the Bible teaches that the earth is spherical. A detailed analysis of key Hebrew words and their translations in ancient and modern versions shows that there is no substantive evidence and thus no warrant for this claim. This analysis is framed in the context of teaching a course in religion and science, and addresses the fundamental question, also explored in the course, of how one should interpret the Bible in the light of scientific knowledge.

Rest of link

I cannot help but consider when the prophet spoke in Revelations his understanding, of what the world was. Could have an effect upon where, specifically these events could be occuring and to who they will be occuring to and who functions as Gods army...

Edited by Virtual Particle, 05 January 2011 - 01:39 AM.

[Virtual Particle]

I am certain that there are many interpretations as to the meaning of Revelations...My issue in respect to full scale nuclear war or some equivalent. Is that there would be nothing alive with exception of perhaps some forms of bacteria, specifically the ones that live deep underground. For me this presents as a potentially horrible event but not one akin to the above. A vision of the future, where somehow there is an intervention into what, could have resulted in  mans extinction.

Taking current events into example one the issues that I have considered it that leaders of nations in the past held those positions for life....now inevitably a person will decompensate and how that is represented most often depends on the person...life was very difficult in the past and kings often did terrible things to protect there people...things were tolerated in those days..often times in relation to Judea-Christian culture they were excommunicated assuming everyone agreed it was warranted...

Potentially a leader in that same position today with access to Nuclear weapons could in his or her senility due to age, order a Nuclear strike against another country...

A way of interpreting the term "End of Days', is as an event that changes the way mankind relates to time...

[Agent. Mulder]

Raptor Witness, on 04 January 2011 - 03:40 AM, said:

Thanks for your input, but please explain at what point you wouldn't consider a prediction or example of foresight to be vague?

Ummm, it was with what you just showed us up there, and what i quoted.
Thats an example of it. You interpreted it the way you want.

[Raptor Witness]

Agent. Mulder, on 06 January 2011 - 05:00 PM, said:

Ummm, it was with what you just showed us up there, and what i quoted.
Thats an example of it. You interpreted it the way you want.

Some men are color blind, and can't fly airplanes. I guess they have "vague" eyes.