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#1    DC09

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Posted 04 August 2004 - 07:37 PM

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Intelligence found in Pakistan suggests that suspected al Qaeda operatives in that country contacted an individual or individuals in the United States in the past few months, according to two senior U.S. government sources.

These officials would not characterize that communication.

But the sources also said there is other information from Pakistan that has led to investigations in the United States to uncover whether there are any individuals or terrorist cells plotting an attack on U.S. soil.

In addition, two senior Pakistani intelligence sources told CNN that there is evidence at least six individuals in the United States were contacted by Muhammad Naeem Noor Khan, an alleged al Qaeda operative who was recently taken into custody in Pakistan. U.S. officials have not confirmed that information.

It was Khan's arrest and documents in his possession that sparked this week's increased threat levels in Washington, New Jersey and New York, U.S. officials have said.

He is a computer expert who is suspected of helping Osama bin Laden communicate with his terror network, U.S. government sources told CNN. Pakistani officials have said the man's identity cannot be confirmed because he has used multiple aliases in the past.

U.S. sources said Khan told interrogators al Qaeda uses Web sites and e-mail addresses in Turkey, Nigeria and tribal areas of Pakistan to pass messages among themselves.

Couriers were often used to deliver computer discs, and the suspect would then post the messages on Web sites, but only briefly, the sources said.

According to the sources, after messages were sent and read, the files were deleted.

E-mail addresses were used only two or three times; if the information was really sensitive, an address might be used only once.

The U.S. sources allege Khan assisted in the evaluation of potential targets and served as a "clearinghouse" of information. He told investigators that he does not know where bin Laden is hiding, sources said.

They said Khan's father facilitated a lot of his international travel, but they do not think the father knew what his son was doing.

Much of the surveillance of possible terror targets in the three U.S. cities took place before September 11, 2001, but there was an indication of reconnaissance updates as recently as January, Bush administration officials said Tuesday.

"We know from the way al Qaeda does business, including on the 9/11 attacks, that they do their homework well in advance, then they update it just before they launch an attack," said Frances Fragos Townsend, a homeland security adviser to President Bush.

U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge said some of the information was updated earlier this year but that "there's no evidence of recent surveillance."

Neither Ridge nor Townsend said how much information was updated in January.

A senior military U.S. official said a computer seized from Khan contained hundreds of images, including photographs, drawings and layouts of various potential U.S. targets.

Some of the photos were years old, while others had been taken as recently as the past few months, the official said. Some images showed underground garages, leading to the conclusion those areas had been under surveillance.

But the information did not include details of any specific plot or time.

"These reports are extraordinarily detailed," Townsend said. "These individuals clearly had access; they were inside this country, inside these targets, crawling all over them, making sure they understood those buildings."

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Posted 04 August 2004 - 07:43 PM

Pleasant...

Having a free, ethnically divirse country like we do sure does make it difficult to stay ontop of potential terrorists runningabout...

So would anyone like to start a pool to see how long it is going to take until the US imposes a WWII style internment camp for middle eastern folks? 1 more attack? 2 more?



Too many people on both sides of the spectrum have fallen into this mentality that a full one half of the country are the enemy for having different beliefs...in a country based on freedom of expression. It is this infighting that allows the focus to be taken away from "we the people" being able to watch, and have control over government corruption and ineptitude that is running rampant in our leadership.

People should be working towards fixing problems, not creating them.

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Posted 04 August 2004 - 07:51 PM

QUOTE (Fluffybunny @ Aug 4 2004, 02:43 PM)
Pleasant...

Having a free, ethnically divirse country like we do sure does make it difficult to stay ontop of potential terrorists runningabout...

So would anyone like to start a pool to see how long it is going to take until the US imposes a WWII style internment camp for middle eastern folks? 1 more attack? 2 more?

I'd give it at least 2 more. whistling2.gif  


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Posted 04 August 2004 - 07:59 PM

I really doubt that will happen.  rolleyes.gif

The thing we need to do is keep track of who comes into the country. The border situation is nuts! Anyone can come in.  ph34r.gif  


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Posted 04 August 2004 - 08:03 PM

QUOTE (Kellalor @ Aug 4 2004, 02:59 PM)
I really doubt that will happen.  rolleyes.gif

The thing we need to do is keep track of who comes into the country. The border situation is nuts! Anyone can come in.  ph34r.gif

Tell me about it! I live in Texas, it's the absolute worst here!  Hundreds of people swimming over the Rio Grande everyday.  It's ridiculous!   disgust.gif  


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Posted 04 August 2004 - 08:15 PM

QUOTE (Kellalor @ Aug 5 2004, 06:59 AM)
I really doubt that will happen.  rolleyes.gif

The thing we need to do is keep track of who comes into the country. The border situation is nuts! Anyone can come in.  ph34r.gif

Do not be so sure K.
It would be a logical step at some point.

The War on Terrorism is unwinable.
Fighting and winning can be achieved over issues
of marterialism.

Winning a war on ideology is unrealistic.
People are too diverse on too many things.
They have always fought and always will.

Winning tangible material wealth is one thing,
Winning the hearts and minds is another.


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Posted 04 August 2004 - 11:53 PM

They won't shut down the borders, they want the terrorists to come in. I think, we the people, have to fend for ourselves. It's going to be a tough time...many are voicing their fears, now. We have to be alert and do what is necessary.

Hey, now we know they use their computers close to the war zone. Wow, that's a biggy.... didn't anyone think of that before?  rolleyes.gif  Also they are crawling all over these buildings taking pictures and making diagrams....maybe they worked there. whistling2.gif  How about looking into that? Or would that be too racist? rolleyes.gif  

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Posted 04 August 2004 - 11:59 PM

I really like the idea about letting all these terrorists in, then running all about to find 'them' before they blow us up!

Well, I guess the govenment knows what it's doing... too bad the people have to be involved.

Edited by Babs, 05 August 2004 - 12:00 AM.

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Posted 05 August 2004 - 12:11 AM

I really dont see much new about this threat than all the others that kept popping up. All of them have been "different" than the previous ones, lol.

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Posted 05 August 2004 - 01:06 AM

QUOTE (Babs @ Aug 4 2004, 04:59 PM)
Well, I guess the govenment knows what it's doing...

I think that this may very well define where you and I part company in terms of supporting our government...

I would never make such a guess...

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I really like the idea about letting all these terrorists in, then running all about to find 'them' before they blow us up!


Why would you like the idea of letting all of the terrorists in?

Too many people on both sides of the spectrum have fallen into this mentality that a full one half of the country are the enemy for having different beliefs...in a country based on freedom of expression. It is this infighting that allows the focus to be taken away from "we the people" being able to watch, and have control over government corruption and ineptitude that is running rampant in our leadership.

People should be working towards fixing problems, not creating them.

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Posted 05 August 2004 - 02:54 AM

Fluffy...I don't like the idea. I was being sarcastic. But like I said_ I guess the government knows what it's doing. I can see what they are saying, though...better to have the terrorists come in and be able to nab or kill them than have them stay outside and plan. ph34r.gif

BTW....not to get off topic....but didn't you say you were planning a trip to France? I quit leaving the country years ago; too dangerous. ph34r.gif If you go, I wouldn't advertise that I was an American.  

Edited by Babs, 05 August 2004 - 02:55 AM.

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Posted 05 August 2004 - 04:06 PM



I just caught the tail end of a news story on CNN that two terror suspects were picked up in Albany, New York. In about an hour and a half they are going to have a news conference.


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Posted 05 August 2004 - 04:44 PM

QUOTE (Michelle @ Aug 5 2004, 05:06 PM)
I just caught the tail end of a news story on CNN that two terror suspects were picked up in Albany, New York. In about an hour and a half they are going to have a news conference.

Yup. They tried to help someone aquire a shoulder mounted missile launcher.

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Posted 05 August 2004 - 04:47 PM

This is from CNN.com

Two men arrested in missile sting operation

WASHINGTON, D.C. (CNN) -- The imam and the founder of a mosque in Albany, New York, are being held after an FBI sting operation in which the suspects tried to help an undercover agent posing as a terrorist, federal law enforcement sources said Thursday.

The FBI approached the suspects, Yasin Aref, 34, the imam at the Masjid As-Salam mosque, and the mosque's founder, Mohammed Hoosain, 49, with the idea of laundering money, sources told CNN.

They were apprehended when they allegedly agreed to launder the money so the presumed terrorist could buy a shoulder-fired missile, sources said.

A source said the charges involve material support to terrorists, but could not confirm details of an indictment. Other sources said the indictment has just been unsealed.

Authorities were conducting a raid at the mosque Thursday, a source said, and that the raid is being carried out by the U.S. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement and Joint Terrorism Task Force.

The Associated Press cited two federal law enforcement sources who said the men who were arrested have ties to a group called Ansar al-Islam, which has been linked to the al Qaeda terror network.



Too many people on both sides of the spectrum have fallen into this mentality that a full one half of the country are the enemy for having different beliefs...in a country based on freedom of expression. It is this infighting that allows the focus to be taken away from "we the people" being able to watch, and have control over government corruption and ineptitude that is running rampant in our leadership.

People should be working towards fixing problems, not creating them.

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Posted 06 August 2004 - 03:47 AM

Gee, Fluffy, if I had said what Michelle just said without backup data you would have been all over me. But, look, you actually help Michelle out and put out the data to back up what she 'heard'. rolleyes.gif

Fluffy, it looks like you have a double standard. whistling2.gif  

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