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[Rocketgirl33]

So are we still talking about 'Bongo's' tape? I had to listen to it a couple of times and I hate to say it but it was funny as hell! He spent how long in the Happy Days mental hospital? Sorry but that is not fear I hear at the end of his story. I laughed so hard I almost passed out! A creature with a "Hairy legs" fetish? OMG.......


Rocketgirl

[~TheBigK~]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure there's a reason Bongo is in the sanitarium. It does seem to me though, like he really believed what he saw was real.

Regardless, I've never heard of the Pilliga forest before, sounds pretty interesting. I'll have to look up some more accounts, or if you know of any good links Tia?

[Tia]

No sorry I don't have any links, just heard a lot of stories that have come out of there over the years the main one being no truckies will ever stop there at night to rest.

I'm like you whether Bongo did see something or not, I truly believe he believes he did.

Hairy leg fetish, and the lights surrounding the truck when the creature appeared doesn't point to a yowie encounter for me. Lord knows what really happened that night.

[Night Walker]

Bongo’s account raises the prospect of the Clayton’s Yowie - the Yowie you have when you don’t have a Yowie. Belief is a powerful thing, even in the face of contradicting evidence, and what a people experiences (or perhaps even simply claims to experience) is/can be real to them. Below is another example with several witnesses:

Family claim ‘monster’ chased them in desert
Sunday Sun (Qld)
Date: October 22, 1987
Page Number: 5

Desert family sticks to "monster' claim ALICE SPRINGS. Relatives of a family chased by a huge "half-man, half-beast'' in the central Australian desert are convinced they saw a monster, despite police having arrested a man nearby.

Alice Springs woman Phyllis Kenny, her four grand-children and friend Frank Burns, were chased by what they described as a terrifying "yowie-like'' creature eight days ago at an isolated bore on Yambah Station, 50 km north of Alice Springs.

Mrs Kenny said the creature leapt from an empty tank at the bore, chased and caught hold of their utility truck before disappearing into the bush.

The man-like animal was covered with hair and stood at least 2 m tall.

The two adults and four children were rabbit-shooting and decided to stop at a favorite camping spot, Top Bore, for water and tea.

It was 5 p.m. and still fully light.

A large fig tree was beside the bore. They had some kangaroo tail with them, Mrs Kenny was passing around food and the two elder boys, Daniel Kenny and Ronald Dodd, were some distance away.

Daniel was the first to see the creature. "He was in the tank,'' he said. "He leapt out, not climbing out, but just jumping straight out of this big tank.''

Daniel and Ronald ran towards Mrs Kenny and Mr Burns. "Then, Nanna (Mrs Kenny) saw it and shouted out to jump in the ute,'' Daniel said.

Ronald said: "It was coming towards us, not making any noises or anything or waving, just walking towards us.''

Mrs Kenny said yesterday she had not slept properly since the sighting and was too scared to leave the house.

"When I saw that thing coming towards me, I nearly died,'' she said.

"You can tell the difference between a man and a beast and that was no man.

"There are some things that you just can't explain, that are just scary, and that was one of them.''

Daniel said: "It had a sort of ape's face. It had big eyes, a large forehead and it was all red around its mouth.''

Ronald said: "It ran like a gorilla. It's arms hung down at its sides and it just sort of loped along.''

Up to this point, the article comes across as a Yowie sighting with great potential - several witnesses seeing a 2m tall hairy man in daylight:

"He was in the tank. He leapt out, not climbing out, but just jumping straight out of this big tank.''

"It had a sort of ape's face. It had big eyes, a large forehead and it was all red around its mouth.''

"It ran like a gorilla. It's arms hung down at its sides and it just sort of loped along.''

"When I saw that thing coming towards me, I nearly died. You can tell the difference between a man and a beast and that was no man. There are some things that you just can't explain, that are just scary, and that was one of them.''

Mrs Kenny said yesterday she had not slept properly since the sighting and was too scared to leave the house.

… but the remainder of the article pours cold water over any association with a Yowie:

But Mr Burns said: "I think it was a man. He looked like a man to me.''

Police said yesterday a patrol arrested a large naked man in the area the day after the Kenny family's fright.

Constable Sean Sandry, of Alice Springs police, one of two officers to arrest the man, said he was "definitely not a yowie''.

"We had a call from Yambah Station and we went out to see what was going on,'' he said.

"We found this bloke sitting on the side of the road completely naked.

"He was a great big bloke, about six foot eight, and I reckon he would have weighed about 20 or 25 stone.

"But he didn't give us any trouble. He just came along quite peacefully and hopped in the back of the van.''

Police took the man to Alice Springs Hospital. He was admitted.

The hospital superintendent, Dr Peter Bradford, refused to comment yesterday.

Under the Northern Territory Mental Health Act, doctors may not divulge information about patients except with their consent.

That what Mrs Kenny, Daniel, and Robert subjectively saw was clearly at odds with what was objectively there yet the experience was still very real for them. Could the Yowie be a purely subjective experience with no basis in objective reality? If so, it could possibly account for the bulk of modern Yowie sightings which are seemingly reported by people with more than a passing interest in the paranormal.

[Tia]

Thanks for that Night Walker, it was a very interesting story and shows that a one of encounter/ sighting could be anything.   I believe it takes repeated encounters to be able to build a case.

[Night Walker]

I am of the opinion that it takes objective evidence to make a case – crazy as that may seem. People who claim multiple Yowie sightings – and there are but a small handful of such individuals - should provide the best avenue for determining the objective reality or otherwise of the Yowie. Such witnesses would be expected to come from a broad spectrum of the population and, unless living in the same community, should be largely unknown to one another, and their supporting physical evidence should be both extensive and compelling due to the number of alleged sightings and their not-so-unexpected nature. This is not the case, however.

The small handful of people claiming multiple Yowie sightings are all paranormal-buffs (people who hold paranormal belief systems display higher rates of fantasy proneness than other members of the general public) who mostly seem known to one another on a social level and their evidence, like other Yowie evidence, is largely non-existent and/or highly ambiguous. Furthermore, the presence of charlatans – like Brett Green (of Gympie Pyramid infamy) who has a long and well-documented history of fabricating evidence to support his sensational claims – within such groupings raises further questions about the validity of such Yowie claims.

Do fantasy-prone and/or dodgy individuals (like “Bongo” and Brett Green respectively) relate genuine encounters with a large, unidentified bipedal species or is something else going on in regards to the Yowie? All indicators point to the latter…

[Tia]

I've never heard of Brett Green though as I've said before I have been out of the loop for at least 3yrs. Doesn't it make sense to you that someone more interested in the crypto world would have encounters then someone who doesn't. I can't see a Yowie walking down George Street at lunch time.

A crypto follower is much more likely to actually go out into the field and spend time looking for signs and actually know what they are looking for. I don't enter the bush anymore I don't have my dogs so I wouldn't chance it. Dogs are very smart at picking up when there's something like a wallaby around or when they sense a threat and they practically drag you flying out of the bush. I've been dragged out twice by my dogs and they didn't settle until quite a distance from there.

Have you ever spent any time in the field? Just interested to know and if so who with, where did you go and when?

I've got some photos in the ghost section under Mafia House. I'm still waiting on an explanation of the 2 really bright objects, one picture I agreed with the conclusion of, orbs, well orbs are open to all interpretations but I'd really like to know what would produce the bright lights, maybe someone could explain how the camera does that. See that's what I mean about spending time in the field, we heard about a haunted house, we scoped it out during the day then went back 1 night later to actually follow through by taking pictures and asking opinions.

[WraithGod]

This would be an interesting debate without all the personal jabs. :S

Night Walker has some excellent points.  I think part of the issue is that people who are not involved in the paranormal-loving community or have never had an interest in it otherwise don't always come forward for fear that people would think they're nuts.  I'm kind of in that category.  Hell, I've even "seen" a ghost (still sleep with a light on when I'm alone, scariest thing ever) and I still can't say that I believe in them.  I've found a weird critter before but I guess I'm pretty good at searching for things to solve my own little mysteries, at least to my satisfaction.  I'm sure a lot of potential 'sightings', should any of the currently known cryptids exist, end up attributed to some known animal in the area by the person who made the sighting themselves.  For example, if you catch a glimpse of a big hairy beast in the northwest, you're liable to think "bear" before "Sasquatch".  With that in mind, you start to fill in the blanks with bear details when recalling your experience.  It's why eyewitnesses are ridiculously unreliable.

As for the tape, I gotta say it's not that clear to me, is there a transcription I can follow along?

[Tia]

Sorry no transcript that I know of. Here the biggest thing is a wallaby, and they definitely don't stand at 6 to 8ft tall plus they're brown the rock wallabies our yowies are grey.

[Night Walker]

I’ll leave “Bongo” to his fate and will continue this discussion over to one of the Yowie threads:

http://www.unexplain...c=168094&st=150

[saturn9876]

All I can say is that something scared the crap out of that poor man. He sounded like a complete basket case. True or not who knows but that audio was worth thew five minutes. Thx for the link OP.

[Tia]

That's ok, I agree something, or something he truly believes he saw definitely scared the life out of him.