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#1    Llalesay

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 06:18 PM

I saw this video and i was a bit shocked/sceptical.

Apparently, some people suggests that the Egyptians build their famous pyramids through paranormal activity ( aliens ).

Is this the pure nuts or is there actually something about it?




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Posted 06 January 2011 - 06:56 PM

Why so much interest in the pyramids? Though evidently well constructed, they're still just a bunch of rocks piled on top of each other. If the ancient Egyptians had instead constructed something like a midieval cathedral I'd be more impressed.

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 07:02 PM

Basic hand tools and hard work, over seen by very forward thinking clever people, no alien intervention if thats your angle?

Where it states "For official use only" - gently rub a white wax candle over the area indicated.

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 07:08 PM

There are already several threads in this same section about the pyramids...

The basic answer is... yeah, this is pure baloney mate.
The Egyptians built the pyramids, and the tools they used were what you'd expect from the time period.

Um... didn't know that was blocked. Lemmee change it.

Edited by ShadowSot, 06 January 2011 - 07:10 PM.

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 07:27 PM

View PostBelial, on 06 January 2011 - 07:02 PM, said:

Basic hand tools and hard work, over seen by very forward thinking clever people, no alien intervention if thats your angle?

It is, i know that the pyramids were build by strong egyptian labour and basic worktools.

However, this whole alien theory is completely new to me and seems rather odd/strange. i have seen it being suggested a couple of times now, so i just wanted to make sure that it was already debunked.


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Posted 06 January 2011 - 07:36 PM

View PostShadowSot, on 06 January 2011 - 07:08 PM, said:

There are already several threads in this same section about the pyramids...

The basic answer is... yeah, this is pure baloney mate.
The Egyptians built the pyramids, and the tools they used were what you'd expect from the time period.

Um... didn't know that was blocked. Lemmee change it.

Ok thanks, that's pretty much what i wanted to hear. I was a bit sceptical at first, and the idea of aliens building the pyramids made me laugh.

Edited by Ultimatium, 06 January 2011 - 07:43 PM.


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Posted 06 January 2011 - 07:41 PM

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 07:50 PM

No one really knows for sure, but the common sense approach would be that of hard work and clever humans of the time.

Where it states "For official use only" - gently rub a white wax candle over the area indicated.

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 07:52 PM

A little less short thrift posting, I'd recommend reading through some of the existing threads, paying attention to Kmt_Sesh' posts on Egypt.

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 08:57 PM

View PostUltimatium, on 06 January 2011 - 06:18 PM, said:

I saw this video and i was a bit shocked/sceptical.

Apparently, some people suggests that the Egyptians build their famous pyramids through paranormal activity ( aliens ).

Is this the pure nuts or is there actually something about it?



I'm not impressed by the video but I'm beginning to believe that aliens make
more sense and are better evidenced than ramps. Neither of these theories is
well supported but there's little doubt that ramps are a virtual impossibility.
Even if they were possible it would be impossible to hide evidence for them.

This leaves a void into which many people have tried to project all sorts of
wonderful, strange, and exotic ideas.

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 09:08 PM

Straight up ignore Cladking, plenty of evidence has been presented for ramps (Including... ramps.) but he refuses to accept it.

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 09:20 PM

View PostShadowSot, on 06 January 2011 - 09:08 PM, said:

... plenty of evidence has been presented for ramps (Including... ramps.) but he refuses to accept it.


There is no evidence of any sort whatsoever that a ramp was used to
lift a single stone on any of the great pyramids.  

I can show evidence all day long that such ramps were not used yet no
one has ever shown any evidence that they were.  Their attempts are dis-
ingenuous and involve pictures from hundreds or even thousands of years
after the great pyramids were built and flimsy ramps on the ground in
betyween pyramids which could not have been used to lift stone.  They
simply choose to ignore the evidence against ramps and repeat their
mantra that "it mustta been ramps".  

I would suggest people try tune out any time that someone tells you it
must have been built by anything at all because axe grindings will fol-
low.  Egyptologists have invented a million ways to say "it mustta been
ramps" but my favorite is "we don't know exactly what ramp system was
used".  

The reason for this is that ramps weren't used. Egyptologists don't care,
and They have no plans to go look.

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 10:06 PM

Jean-Pierre Houdin is making a pretty good case but there is no real proof. The case for the seemingly oversizeed Grand Gallery makes sense with his theory though, and he points to several markings and constructional feats that might support his theory for the transport of the granite block to the kings chamber.

Here are some of all the theories presented over the years (alien intervention excluded) >> http://www.cheops-py...amp-models.html

Regardless any of these theories, they hardly match up to the time-plan - one stone set in place every other minute in a constant pace for some 20 years. Not much room for errors, accidents or hiccups. A gigantic error-free assembly line with enormous stones and hectic tempo??... seems improbable.

As long it remains a mystery it will keep the interest alive. :)

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 10:34 PM

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Regardless any of these theories, they hardly match up to the time-plan - one stone set in place every other minute in a constant pace for some 20 years. Not much room for errors, accidents or hiccups. A gigantic error-free assembly line with enormous stones and hectic tempo??... seems improbable.
The person who calculated that didn't put into his calculations a couple of things )and more I've probably forgotten.), chiefly there are pockets of backfill and empty space in the pyramids... and we don't know for sure how much there is. Khufu's pyramid is a also built on top of a limestone rise, meaning less blocks were needed.
The blocks also got smaller as you go up, requiring less effort. The stoes were loosely stacked, the real detail went into the exterior of the pyramid.
To, we know they had several gangs moving stones, and much of the work force of Egypt available during the months the Nile flooded.

It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.
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Posted 06 January 2011 - 11:09 PM

View PostShadowSot, on 06 January 2011 - 10:34 PM, said:

The person who calculated that didn't put into his calculations a couple of things )and more I've probably forgotten.), chiefly there are pockets of backfill and empty space in the pyramids... and we don't know for sure how much there is. Khufu's pyramid is a also built on top of a limestone rise, meaning less blocks were needed.
The blocks also got smaller as you go up, requiring less effort. The stoes were loosely stacked, the real detail went into the exterior of the pyramid.
To, we know they had several gangs moving stones, and much of the work force of Egypt available during the months the Nile flooded.

The pyramid is not hollow no matter how many times ramp theorists  say
it is.  It has an average external density of about 2.65 compared to the
density of limestone which is 2.70 which makes it more than 98% solid.  
Backfill is no easier to lift than stones and is actually harder so is
entirely irrelevent.  There is no evidence whatsoever of any sort of hill
under G1 larger than about 25' at its center.  The course thickness of G1
does not greatly change at altitude and this is irrelevent as well since
even if they had used smaller stones then they'd have just needed to haul
more of them.  

There is nothing about Orthodox theory which is logical.  The facts are
bent and manipulated to make ramps look plausible despite the lack of ev-
idence for them.  There were no ramp builders buried anywhere in Egypt and
no evidence that there were ramps or ramp builders.  

The amount of manpower available was irrelevent since a limited number of
men can fit on any sort of ramp system at all.

Men fear the pyramid, time fears man.




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