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Help clarify this Hy-Brasil/Atlantis thing?


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#91    cormac mac airt

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 12:18 AM

View Postaquariusage, on 17 October 2011 - 11:47 PM, said:

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Don't know about any bug in the forum but I'm pretty sure posting extremely large blocks of text, which appear to be copied and pasted from somewhere, are frowned upon by the Mods. Also if there's a link where all that is from, it would help to post it. Lastly, what was the point of posting such a large block of text? Was there something specific you wished to discuss?

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 12:32 AM

Phoenicians in hy-brasil


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Posted 18 October 2011 - 12:48 AM

View Postaquariusage, on 18 October 2011 - 12:32 AM, said:

Phoenicians in hy-brasil

As there is no substantial confirmation for the existence of "Hy-Brasil", the speculative connection is rather moot, is it not?

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 01:14 AM

go to google earth swede plz ;/ 52 09'42.532″ N 13 13'12.69″ W ftw the putative hy-Brazil


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Posted 18 October 2011 - 02:08 AM

View Postaquariusage, on 18 October 2011 - 01:14 AM, said:

go to google earth swede plz ;/ 52 09'42.532″ N 13 13'12.69″ W ftw the putative hy-Brazil

It would appear that you have missed the critical element in the previous submission. To reiterate: "substantial confirmation for the existence of "Hy-Brasil",

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 02:38 AM

View Postaquariusage, on 18 October 2011 - 01:14 AM, said:

go to google earth swede plz ;/ 52 09'42.532″ N 13 13'12.69″ W ftw the putative hy-Brazil

So, Porcupine Bank, which is 2000+ feet below sea level. Even if one were to utilize the 400 feet in reduced ocean level at the time of the Last Glacial Maximum, c.18,000 BC, then it's still 1600 feet below sea level and there's no evidence that it was ever above it. Even moreso, none to suggest such as recently as the 17th - 19th centuries AD. Which, by the way, is the timeframe when many in England and Ireland (to name a few countries) were immigrating to North America without ever mentioning this 'island' at any point during their travels, neither passengers nor crew.

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 04:25 AM

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 08:33 PM

What is the oldest map where we can found Hy-Brasil?
Do we know on many maps have it?

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Posted 19 October 2011 - 03:02 PM

Can anyone find anything on these maps???


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Nautical charts identified an island called "Bracile" west of Ireland in the Atlantic Ocean as far back as 1325, in a portolan chart by Angelino Dulcert. Later it appeared as Insula de Brasil in the Venetian map of Andrea Bianco (1436), attached to one of the larger islands of a group of islands in the Atlantic. This was identified for a time with the modern island of Terceira in the Azores

http://en.wikipedia....ulcert_1339_Map


http://en.wikipedia....ert_cropped.jpg



http://www.pbs.org/w...nd/insp-03.html

http://la.horde.sauv...il2_400.jpg  



http://www.lib.umn.e...UR/1482ulg.html



http://maps.google.c...F-8&sa=N&tab=il

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Posted 28 October 2011 - 04:53 AM

Hello all. I'm new to UM. 1st post! *cringes nervously* Great topic. Thanks to OP. I am of Irish blood and a lover of anything conspiracy theory.

I get that the original intent was to find more physical evidence of the existence of Hy-Brasil. At the moment what is catching my interest more is "what" the island was , what happened there , and what myth and stories are out there about the island.

Thanks in advance for anything u can supply.


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Posted 28 October 2011 - 08:52 AM

The last documented sighting of Hy-Brasil was in 1872, when author T. J. Westropp and several companions saw the island appear and then vanish. This was Mr. Westropps third view of Hy-Brasil, but on this voyage he had brought his mother and some friends to verify the existence of Hy-Brasil.

Researchers and archaeologists have searched in the most likely locations west of Ireland, and there is evidence that islands existed there. Shallow-water shells have been found at Porcupine Bank, somewhat northwest of the most likely location of Hy-Brasil. Even further north, similar shells were discovered at Rockhall.

So, there is evidence of land mass changes in that part of the Atlantic Ocean.

http://historicmyste...-other-atlantis

I'm not sure what the big deal is really. All through the North Sea is places once above water. Water and storm erosion is very severe there.

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Posted 28 October 2011 - 07:18 PM

View PostThe Puzzler, on 28 October 2011 - 08:52 AM, said:

The last documented sighting of Hy-Brasil was in 1872, when author T. J. Westropp and several companions saw the island appear and then vanish. This was Mr. Westropps third view of Hy-Brasil, but on this voyage he had brought his mother and some friends to verify the existence of Hy-Brasil.

Researchers and archaeologists have searched in the most likely locations west of Ireland, and there is evidence that islands existed there. Shallow-water shells have been found at Porcupine Bank, somewhat northwest of the most likely location of Hy-Brasil. Even further north, similar shells were discovered at Rockhall.

So, there is evidence of land mass changes in that part of the Atlantic Ocean.

http://historicmyste...-other-atlantis

I'm not sure what the big deal is really. All through the North Sea is places once above water. Water and storm erosion is very severe there.

The 'big deal' is that these mythical islands may once have been above water, but that was many, many millennia before they were reported to have been seen above water.


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Posted 28 October 2011 - 08:34 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 28 October 2011 - 07:18 PM, said:

The 'big deal' is that these mythical islands may once have been above water, but that was many, many millennia before they were reported to have been seen above water.

One would be hard pressed for evidence of that Abe, particularly if Porcupine Bank were what was being alleged as Hy-Brasil back in 1872. Undersea areas don't just rise and sink that fast without volcanic activity of some sort involved. Yet, evidently none has been reported with these sightings of Hy-Brasil.

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Posted 28 October 2011 - 09:09 PM

View Postcormac mac airt, on 28 October 2011 - 08:34 PM, said:

One would be hard pressed for evidence of that Abe, particularly if Porcupine Bank were what was being alleged as Hy-Brasil back in 1872. Undersea areas don't just rise and sink that fast without volcanic activity of some sort involved. Yet, evidently none has been reported with these sightings of Hy-Brasil.

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Well, I have posted about "hot blobs" rising up, creating islands and micro-continents, and then going down agian.

Scientists now know about it.

You didn't?


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Posted 28 October 2011 - 09:24 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 28 October 2011 - 09:09 PM, said:

Well, I have posted about "hot blobs" rising up, creating islands and micro-continents, and then going down agian.

Scientists now know about it.

You didn't?

Your "hot blobs" would entail the necessity of volcanic action, Abramelin, which is what I was talking about. And yet, no volcanic action was mentioned. As to the 1872 account, T. J. Westropp had claimed to see Hy-Brasil on three different occasions. Even bringing his mother and friends the last time he saw it. So it can be assumed that it was in the same location on all three occasions. The last of which he claims to have watched it appear and vanish. Again, volcanic activity would have to have played a part but nothing like that is ever mentioned. One has to ask "WHY NOT?".

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