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#1    CatAstrofix

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Posted 06 August 2004 - 08:49 AM

The link HERE

They claim that the cases can't be compared to what americans did, but torture is torture. If they admitted this much, who knows what has happened.


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Posted 06 August 2004 - 06:57 PM

It matters not to me people's personal beliefs on tortue tactics.
These tactics exist in virtually every country.

If one believes that their country is "above the fray" and
on some moral highground - that is their right of opinion.

No self-delusions on my part concerning my country either.
Rember this line ?
"Right now the U.S. Gov't is doing things you thought only
other countries did."  Relevant then.  Relevant now.

Tortue is part of the dirty buisness that is done "out-of-sight"
"out-of-mind" philosophy.  People's awareness of this may
reside on the mental backburner.  It is easier if they do not
see or hear about it in any way.  They tend to sleep better.

It reminds me of "Three Days of the Condor"
The question was posed that the people should be asked
their opinion on obtaing future oil reserves.
The response was not to ask them now - but ask them then.
Ask the people when...

The fuel is running out -
If food starts becoming scarce -
When gadgets and accoutrements of comfortability are threatened-

The point was that the people won't want to be asked.
They will just want you to get it for them.

Don't think that it can happen that way?
Look around you.  People sell out everday (or buying in they think)
all the time and often over superficial and vain pursuits.
How much easier to do so when the chips are falling.

Yes,  tortue goes on and will always go on.  
No amount of public disgruntlement will ever change what goes on
behind closed doors... in special rooms.. by those that extract with
expertise... to get what they must quickly and efficiently.

Whether people want to believe it or not... it is probably a reason
for the low amount of terrorist activity for our country.

No participation in these methods for me due to personal morality.
I am not blind to the reality though that it goes on, will continue to
go on,  even by those we would not think.

No amount of public discord will ever change that.  
That is sad to say.


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Posted 06 August 2004 - 07:26 PM

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verbal humiliation


The bastards!

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#4    Talon

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Posted 06 August 2004 - 09:39 PM

God, are the coaltion capable of doing anything right rolleyes.gif  

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Posted 07 August 2004 - 12:00 AM

QUOTE (Stellar @ Aug 6 2004, 02:26 PM)
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verbal humiliation


The bastards!

Verbal humiliation!  ohmy.gif   That's a scream. w00t.gif

I can't believe we have to be careful of hurting their feelings when they are beheading our people. End of story.

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Posted 07 August 2004 - 06:03 AM

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DANISH soldiers subjected Iraqi prisoners to ill-treatment including verbal humiliation, forcing them to maintain painful postures and restricting access to food, water and toilets, according to the initial findings of an army investigation.


"They hurt my self esteem" - Ahmed Al-Faahdeen, Al Queda member rolleyes.gif  


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Posted 07 August 2004 - 06:54 AM

Who hasn't mistreated prisoners now?   I know I have.....  

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Posted 07 August 2004 - 09:18 PM

  laugh.gif you guys are funny.

The east and the west are soooo different. So these Iragi prisoners have a few sexual hang-ups ohmy.gif ...us westerners don't. And.... they don't like being in their birthday suit. rolleyes.gif

Hey, we got a hang-up about being beheaded....

....and they don't.

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Posted 07 August 2004 - 09:25 PM

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"They hurt my self esteem" - Ahmed Al-Faahdeen, Al Queda member


Oh,  huh.gif if they're terrorists then kill them for all I care  

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Posted 07 August 2004 - 10:35 PM

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forcing them to maintain painful postures


So they made them stand up straight? That's good for them!  blink.gif  


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Posted 10 August 2004 - 08:29 AM

Interesting, most ppl seem happy about these news, twisted...? You're just annoyed that danish didn't do anything worse to the prisoners. Verbal abuse does sound rather pathetic, but I'm sure that it's not the reason why danish military personel is pulled out and trialed.
What do I care anyway  blink.gif

Edited by CatAstrofix, 10 August 2004 - 08:31 AM.


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Posted 10 August 2004 - 02:10 PM

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In Saddam’s day, countless Iraqis disappeared behind the walls of Abu Graib, one of the most notorious prisons in Iraq. It's open again for business with new wardens, the Americans.

source


If we can't hold ourselves up as an example of how to treat people with dignity and respect, we can't ask that other nations do that to our soldiers."
Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt


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Posted 10 August 2004 - 06:25 PM

I can't help but think.... if the terrorists were doing these acts with Americans they would be carrying them out.

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Posted 11 August 2004 - 09:26 AM

I suppose you are right Babs, they would. This and many other things makes the difference between terrorists and the coalition troops, thanks god for that. Coalition adapting into "terrorist mentality", moral and tactic, is a victory to them, not for the coalition. Like the saying goes, live what you preach.


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Posted 11 August 2004 - 11:04 AM

Oh honestly War is War within war comes torture bad as it may seem for normal people. This made me laugh, typical friggin twisted media hype as per usual.

Edited by Lottie, 11 August 2004 - 11:08 AM.





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