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#31    DieChecker

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 01:45 AM

View PostLeonardo, on 12 January 2011 - 07:52 PM, said:

Serious question for the Americans posting here. If a politician in the US uses reason and intelligence to debate or try to make a point to the public, rather than hype and inflammatory rhetoric, are they seen as 'weak' or 'elitist'?
I don't think most people think being smart or logical is weak or elitist. But, most Americans expect Entertainment 24-7, so they watch politics for the same reason they watch Stockcar Racing, or Boxing, or Jersy Shore.... They want to see that bloody car wreck, that guy get knocked out, the girl cheating on his wife.... That is one of the problems I see in today's culture. Only sex and violence is Entertaining anymore to the masses. Bill Clinton probably got more votes for going on Saturday Night Live and playing the saxophone then for his stand on abortion or gun laws. Obama probably got more votes in 2008, because he was on TV a lot more then McCain, and presented a more TV friendly appearance and identity. Pandering to Entertainment is power. And Entertainment is sex and violence in the US. That first year Obama spoke out on nearly every single violent event that happened in the news. Because he knows people follow violent and sex involved stories on the TV and on the Internet.

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 05:57 AM

I believe this whole debate started because the sheriff of Pima County wanted to make a political statement by which he was sure to draw a little more attention; a deplorable man.  

Personally, I think anyone who uses this tragedy to advance an ideology - whether Left or Right - deserves every measure of scorn imaginable. There is simply no evidence of a connection between Sarah Palin and the shooter, but that didn't stop the media from vilifying her over a few metaphors.

"If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun."

The italicized statement made by President Obama. He wasn't inciting violence, but using a metaphor.

The below image was used by Democrats in their "Seeing Red" campaign to retake the White House in 2004. "Behind Enemy Lines...."

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I don't find Palin's choice of metaphor much different than Obama's, and I don't believe the SarahPac map differs all that much from the one the Democrats used in 2004.


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Posted 13 January 2011 - 05:58 AM

Oops. Double Post.

Edited by Palin-sque, 13 January 2011 - 05:59 AM.

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 08:40 AM

View PostPalin-sque, on 13 January 2011 - 05:57 AM, said:

I believe this whole debate started because the sheriff of Pima County wanted to make a political statement by which he was sure to draw a little more attention; a deplorable man.  

Personally, I think anyone who uses this tragedy to advance an ideology - whether Left or Right - deserves every measure of scorn imaginable. There is simply no evidence of a connection between Sarah Palin and the shooter, but that didn't stop the media from vilifying her over a few metaphors.

"If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun."

The italicized statement made by President Obama. He wasn't inciting violence, but using a metaphor.

The below image was used by Democrats in their "Seeing Red" campaign to retake the White House in 2004. "Behind Enemy Lines...."

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I don't find Palin's choice of metaphor much different than Obama's, and I don't believe the SarahPac map differs all that much from the one the Democrats used in 2004.


I don't recall the statement by the sheriff carrying any political undertones except to highlight that rhetoric and the general political climate has become overheated, and that this may contribute to influencing irrational behaviour. Pointing the finger at the sheriff is another symptom of the 'blame game'.

Rhetoric and imagery which promote or suggest violent imagery is/has been used by both sides, and both sides should be deplored for doing so. Trying to defend one side (or person) by highlighting the other side is "just as bad", is not really addressing the issue.

Edited to add: My apologies, Palin-sque, for not welcoming you to UM before making a critical response to your post. I hope you enjoy it here and I look forward to reading your posts.

Edited by Leonardo, 13 January 2011 - 08:55 AM.

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 03:00 PM

View Postzenfahr, on 12 January 2011 - 08:45 PM, said:

What I really want to know is .... why does she have anything to say in the first place? Could have simply stated that, this was a tradgic event and her prayers were with the families... done and done.  But like stated in the article, she has now and forever linked herself to this event. Best way to respond to finger pointers is to ignore them all together, not legitimize their accusations with a responce.  

Just my opinion.
The left already linked her, and she is someone who won't just take it and be nice.
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Posted 13 January 2011 - 03:58 PM

View PostAgent X, on 12 January 2011 - 08:51 PM, said:

Why shouldn't she have anything to say?

Thousands upon thousands of liberals across America are blaming her for the shooting tragedy along with Beck, FOX News, and the Tea Party.

Why should she just shut up?

Doesn't she have any right to defend herself?

At all?

It doesn't matter if she doesn't say anything anyways. The hypocritical liberals will do anything they can to blame her for everything that's wrong with the world.

And she really hasn't done anything to deserve this kind of vitriol other than being a Conservative Christian.

But I guess that's the greatest sins of all time according to the liberal mindset. Being Conservative and Christian.

Free speech is not just for liberals. It gives everyone a right to speak their opinion.

And a right to defend themselves against unwarranted scapegoating.
that was not an attack on free speach, you are welcome to say what ever you want to.  But sometimes those who speak the little, say the most.  People will point fingers at everyone here, the killer, the gun, his friends, family, the bullets and so on and on. It was her choice to fight that battle. I was only stating that she should have thought first before jumpin on the band wagon.

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 04:48 PM

Has anyone asked what blood libel is yet?

nothing to see here, folks.

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 05:10 PM

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 05:21 PM

blood libel
refers to a false accusation that jews murder children to use their blood in rituals.

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 05:36 PM

I find it sort of odd that so much attention is given to the political bent that the nutjob might have been agreeing with.. yet ignoring that the guy might have been all po'd because of what the political bent was saying that he disagreed with.

The guys a nut, and it's not anyones specific fault for what they said. Palin is a dipwad, but even in her dippiness I haven't heard her telling folks flat out to go shoot anyone.


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Posted 13 January 2011 - 05:44 PM

View Posther., on 13 January 2011 - 05:21 PM, said:

blood libel
refers to a false accusation that jews murder children to use their blood in rituals.

And it's horrible that the Dems are claiming Palin does this!  :angry:


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Posted 13 January 2011 - 05:47 PM

View Postrashore, on 13 January 2011 - 05:36 PM, said:

I find it sort of odd that so much attention is given to the political bent that the nutjob might have been agreeing with.. yet ignoring that the guy might have been all po'd because of what the political bent was saying that he disagreed with.

The guys a nut, and it's not anyones specific fault for what they said. Palin is a dipwad, but even in her dippiness I haven't heard her telling folks flat out to go shoot anyone.

If she had, you can be assured she would have been censured for that. She, like many other politicians on both sides of the political divide, has found it useful to use inflammatory rhetoric and firearms-related imagery to conduct her campaigns. She had the misfortune, or stupidity - call it what you will, to actually mention Gabrielle Giffords name in association with some of that firearms-related imagery and Ms Giffords in now lying in hospital with a serious gunshot wound.

I am NOT suggesting Ms Palin's imagery influenced the shooting, and I have heard (unsupported as yet) that the gunman may have been aggrieved against Ms Giffords from a previous encounter. However, the fact of Ms Palin using Ms Giffords name in an inflammatory campaign context hasn't helped her [Sarah Palin's] image.

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 05:59 PM

I hope Obama will step in and say something to end this stupid blame game madness. I think at this point it's the only thing that has any chance of stopping the crap and bringing people together.

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 06:09 PM

View Posther., on 13 January 2011 - 05:21 PM, said:

blood libel
refers to a false accusation that jews murder children to use their blood in rituals.

Refers to a false accusation or claim that religious minorities, usually Jews, murder children to use their blood in certain aspects of their religious rituals and holidays


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Posted 13 January 2011 - 06:12 PM

View PostAgent X, on 13 January 2011 - 05:59 PM, said:

I hope Obama will step in and say something to end this stupid blame game madness. I think at this point it's the only thing that has any chance of stopping the crap and bringing people together.




He did last night during legacy to Tueson. You should watch it Obama was pretty good said exactly what you wanted hime to say about the issue.

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