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Posted 14 January 2011 - 02:43 AM

Hm I'm happy, never liked Gemini but now I'm Taurus.  Yay.


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Posted 14 January 2011 - 03:02 AM

View PostAvant, on 14 January 2011 - 02:43 AM, said:

Hm I'm happy, never liked Gemini but now I'm Taurus.  Yay.


Turns out that if you follow WESTERN astrology you are still the same! PHEW! we can all breath now. I'm still a capricornic RAM!! yeah baby! :D Turns out this news is thousands of years old.

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Posted 14 January 2011 - 03:03 AM

I am z serpent bearer.  ^_^


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Posted 14 January 2011 - 03:16 AM

This really annoys me.  whoever came up with the "13th sign" nonsense has absolutely no understanding of Astrology whatsoever.

If they did they'd realise there are 360 signs.  The 12 we refer to are simply arbitrary divisions of these 360 signs that over 2000 years or more have proven to be practical applications and hence are accepted in Western astrology as official.

here's a little bit of general philosophy on the way Astrology works.

1.  Every sign is a reaction to the intensities of the sign preceding it.

In other words, every experience leads to the next experience in life.  This is cyclical.  So you go through many patterns of "growth" psychologically, constantly completing and beginning new phases of life, evolving as you repsond to experience, gaining mastery over experiences, moving onto their next expression.

this happens incremnetally.  So between part 1 & part 2, you wouldn't notice a lot of difference.  consider a giant circle, say, a km in diameter.  you are on the edge of the circle, walking around its circumference.  You divide the massive circle into 360 little divisions and walk from division one to division two.   It seems as though you are walking in a straight line.  But your not.  Your walking a curved line.
If you walked ahead another 30 division, stop and turn around, then draw a straight line back to where you started from, you would very clearly see you have walked in a curve.
This is the concept of the "sign".  A sign is merely an arbitrary division of 30 deg that serves as a shorthand generalization of commonalities between all 30 individual experiences that make up one sign.

2. historical and cultural precedence


You can start your division anywhere on that circle and make signs of any division you like, 10, 12, anything that divides into that 360 degree circle.  In roman times there were in Europe many different kinds of Atsrology.  All said the same basic thing.  the romans originally worked with very few signs, and the Celts actually had a 13-sign system.  in every continent humans have existed in, a system of Astrology was formed, based on divisions of cycles.
So it's completely arbitrary how you do this, what you call the signs and number systems you use.

What is NOT arbitrary is their meaning.  For example, Greek Centaur, the Chinese Rat, are both the same kind of person.  The South Chinese goat, north chinese sheep, the crab, both what we  in english call Cancer.

the fact of the matter is that despite its reputation, and exploitation, and despite the crowd it attracts of the gullible and the weird, ACTUAL astrology DOES work.

there is a lot information to clearly suggest a correlation between cycles of time and predictable behaviour patterns.

if you think about, if astrology never even existed, we'd still have no problem accepting this concept.  It is no less profound when expressed in the mundane.  the ebb and flow of the tides, el nino patterns, seasons.  It's remarkable to consider the passage of evolution through these cycles to get to where we are today.  All the life forms that grow and organise themsleves on the Earth's "wobble" over millenia.

But Atsrology takes this concept to a another level.  It has long and vast history that goes well beyond our understanding of society. over  thousands upon thousands of generations  came to this point of mapping these cycles within the human experience.  It came to this point long before we inherited it.  It is evoving still.

3. the Signs today
the current form of Astrology we have is about 80-100 years old.  That is the system they currently use in the popular media, and the style most people are familiar with. And it's a total scam, complete bogus garbage, and as Sagan put it "fuzzy (at BEST!) thinking."

but If you scratch the surface and get contemporary works on Atsrology by authors like Liz greene and Robert Hand, that style is much younger, and is still being developed, and will continue.  
the essential system both use however is the same 12 sign system used by Isac Newton, Elizabeth I and is probably about 1000-1500 years old.
The roots of system go back into roman styles, which go back int greek, which go back into Persian, which go back to the fertile crescent period.  Somewhere in this period the same essential germ took root in India and Chin.  they developed differently, but achieved the same results.

the Aztec use a very different astrological system.  I know little about this, but I do know one version I have encountered had 22 signs, 24 depending on the year.  Complex!

the celtic system that is enjoying a revival currently uses tree species as signs, and incorporates a 13th division to express "blue moon" events.

Today however the essential contemporary system is fairly post-modern, but from a technical point of view not entirely ecclectic.  the system we use works, and it's good.  you can experiment with it, but at it's core it's highly sophisticated and very easy to understand.

4. Why the 13th sign proponents are d********s.

the system we use is simple.
A cicrle (orbit of the sun, turn of the earth, cycles of planets, turn of seasons whatever.  now we have computers we can look up an electric ephemeris and have no need to use the stars.!)

Divided into 12.

6 male signs, 6 females signs  (Polarity.)
4 Cardinal signs, 4 fixed signs, 4 Mutable signs  (Modality)
3 fire, 3 Earth, 3 Air, 3 Water

Every sign has a Polarity, a modality and an elemnetal.  Each one is unique, there are no repeats.  

Thus:
Aries : Male, Cardinal, Fire
taurus : Female, Fixed, Earth
gemini: M, mutable, Air
Cancer : F, Cardinal, Water
leo : M, Fixed, Fire
Virgo : F, Mutable
Libra :m, Carinal, Air
Scorpio : F, Fixed, Water
Sagitarrius :M , Mutable, Fire
Capricorn :F, Cardinal, Earth
Aquarius :M, Fixed, Air
Pisces :F, Mutable, Water

So, what is the Polarity, modality and element of the 13 sign?  What?  You don't know?  But you came in here crowing on about your 13th sign, I thought you knew about Atsrology????
You d********.

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Posted 14 January 2011 - 03:35 AM

So I found out today that I am now an Aquarius instead of a Pisces.  Check out http://porkrhine.wor...ymbol-tattooed/ and just out of curiosity, did anyone else have a sudden changed in their own sign?  If so, what does that mean to you?

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Posted 14 January 2011 - 03:42 AM

View PostMurrangurk, on 14 January 2011 - 03:16 AM, said:

This really annoys me.  whoever came up with the "13th sign" nonsense has absolutely no understanding of Astrology whatsoever.

If they did they'd realise there are 360 signs.  The 12 we refer to are simply arbitrary divisions of these 360 signs that over 2000 years or more have proven to be practical applications and hence are accepted in Western astrology as official.

here's a little bit of general philosophy on the way Astrology works.

1.  Every sign is a reaction to the intensities of the sign preceding it.

In other words, every experience leads to the next experience in life.  This is cyclical.  So you go through many patterns of "growth" psychologically, constantly completing and beginning new phases of life, evolving as you repsond to experience, gaining mastery over experiences, moving onto their next expression.

this happens incremnetally.  So between part 1 & part 2, you wouldn't notice a lot of difference.  consider a giant circle, say, a km in diameter.  you are on the edge of the circle, walking around its circumference.  You divide the massive circle into 360 little divisions and walk from division one to division two.   It seems as though you are walking in a straight line.  But your not.  Your walking a curved line.
If you walked ahead another 30 division, stop and turn around, then draw a straight line back to where you started from, you would very clearly see you have walked in a curve.
This is the concept of the "sign".  A sign is merely an arbitrary division of 30 deg that serves as a shorthand generalization of commonalities between all 30 individual experiences that make up one sign.

2. historical and cultural precedence


You can start your division anywhere on that circle and make signs of any division you like, 10, 12, anything that divides into that 360 degree circle.  In roman times there were in Europe many different kinds of Atsrology.  All said the same basic thing.  the romans originally worked with very few signs, and the Celts actually had a 13-sign system.  in every continent humans have existed in, a system of Astrology was formed, based on divisions of cycles.
So it's completely arbitrary how you do this, what you call the signs and number systems you use.

What is NOT arbitrary is their meaning.  For example, Greek Centaur, the Chinese Rat, are both the same kind of person.  The South Chinese goat, north chinese sheep, the crab, both what we  in english call Cancer.

the fact of the matter is that despite its reputation, and exploitation, and despite the crowd it attracts of the gullible and the weird, ACTUAL astrology DOES work.

there is a lot information to clearly suggest a correlation between cycles of time and predictable behaviour patterns.

if you think about, if astrology never even existed, we'd still have no problem accepting this concept.  It is no less profound when expressed in the mundane.  the ebb and flow of the tides, el nino patterns, seasons.  It's remarkable to consider the passage of evolution through these cycles to get to where we are today.  All the life forms that grow and organise themsleves on the Earth's "wobble" over millenia.

But Atsrology takes this concept to a another level.  It has long and vast history that goes well beyond our understanding of society. over  thousands upon thousands of generations  came to this point of mapping these cycles within the human experience.  It came to this point long before we inherited it.  It is evoving still.

3. the Signs today
the current form of Astrology we have is about 80-100 years old.  That is the system they currently use in the popular media, and the style most people are familiar with. And it's a total scam, complete bogus garbage, and as Sagan put it "fuzzy (at BEST!) thinking."

but If you scratch the surface and get contemporary works on Atsrology by authors like Liz greene and Robert Hand, that style is much younger, and is still being developed, and will continue.  
the essential system both use however is the same 12 sign system used by Isac Newton, Elizabeth I and is probably about 1000-1500 years old.
The roots of system go back into roman styles, which go back int greek, which go back into Persian, which go back to the fertile crescent period.  Somewhere in this period the same essential germ took root in India and Chin.  they developed differently, but achieved the same results.

the Aztec use a very different astrological system.  I know little about this, but I do know one version I have encountered had 22 signs, 24 depending on the year.  Complex!

the celtic system that is enjoying a revival currently uses tree species as signs, and incorporates a 13th division to express "blue moon" events.

Today however the essential contemporary system is fairly post-modern, but from a technical point of view not entirely ecclectic.  the system we use works, and it's good.  you can experiment with it, but at it's core it's highly sophisticated and very easy to understand.

4. Why the 13th sign proponents are d********s.

the system we use is simple.
A cicrle (orbit of the sun, turn of the earth, cycles of planets, turn of seasons whatever.  now we have computers we can look up an electric ephemeris and have no need to use the stars.!)

Divided into 12.

6 male signs, 6 females signs  (Polarity.)
4 Cardinal signs, 4 fixed signs, 4 Mutable signs  (Modality)
3 fire, 3 Earth, 3 Air, 3 Water

Every sign has a Polarity, a modality and an elemnetal.  Each one is unique, there are no repeats.  

Thus:
Aries : Male, Cardinal, Fire
taurus : Female, Fixed, Earth
gemini: M, mutable, Air
Cancer : F, Cardinal, Water
leo : M, Fixed, Fire
Virgo : F, Mutable
Libra :m, Carinal, Air
Scorpio : F, Fixed, Water
Sagitarrius :M , Mutable, Fire
Capricorn :F, Cardinal, Earth
Aquarius :M, Fixed, Air
Pisces :F, Mutable, Water

So, what is the Polarity, modality and element of the 13 sign?  What?  You don't know?  But you came in here crowing on about your 13th sign, I thought you knew about Atsrology????
You d********.

Great info! But i hope you didn't call me a douchebag lol


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Posted 14 January 2011 - 03:45 AM

View PostMurrangurk, on 14 January 2011 - 03:16 AM, said:

So, what is the Polarity, modality and element of the 13 sign?  What?  You don't know?  But you came in here crowing on about your 13th sign, I thought you knew about Atsrology????
You d********.

You sure seem annoyed but who are you actually talking to?

Are you speaking to the ones who are light hearted in this thread or are you attempting to speak to the ones who made this system up who arnt actually here?  

It seems as if you are saying those who say they are now the 13th sign(or their sign has changed)are crowing and that you thought they knew about astrology. And then You call Them ********s?...   :huh:

Edited by Kazahel, 14 January 2011 - 03:48 AM.


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Posted 14 January 2011 - 03:47 AM

Similar topic.

Edited by Moon Princess, 14 January 2011 - 03:49 AM.


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Posted 14 January 2011 - 03:51 AM

I'm apparently an Aquarius now too. I'll always consider myself a Pisces though. Even if astrology is really just BS in the end, I really do embody the traits of a Pisces.

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Posted 14 January 2011 - 04:16 AM

Went from a Scorpio to a Libra. Talk about downgrade  :ph34r:
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Posted 14 January 2011 - 04:35 AM

It's not that simple. It matters what astrology you follow. Chances are yours hasn't changed. A main Eastern form, for example, called Sidereal astrology, looks to the background stars. While Western astrology -- which uses the zodiac -- has its signs fixed to the seasons. Most Westerners, and all those horoscope pages we eagerly check, go by the zodiac. These signs follow what early astrologers called star signs, whose reference points are the tropics that form a ring around the earth. The zodiac is based on our relationship to the sun, not the stars. If you follow astrology that is linked to the constellations, your sign would go from say, a Gemini to a Taurus. In short, if you follow the Sidereal astrology, the Eastern branch, your sign may have shifted. (And most likely, no surprise to you at all: This news is hundreds of years old). But for the rest of us, our horoscope, and our signs, are still the same.

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Posted 14 January 2011 - 06:23 AM

I must be a super hard core Taurus, mine stayed the same! YEY!!

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Posted 14 January 2011 - 10:32 AM

I'm still a Leo... hah!!


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Posted 14 January 2011 - 10:47 AM

View PostKazahel, on 14 January 2011 - 03:45 AM, said:

You sure seem annoyed but who are you actually talking to?

Are you speaking to the ones who are light hearted in this thread or are you attempting to speak to the ones who made this system up who arnt actually here?  

It seems as if you are saying those who say they are now the 13th sign(or their sign has changed)are crowing and that you thought they knew about astrology. And then You call Them ********s?...   :huh:

talking to the people that I first saw put this out in the media a few years back.  Not so much the people here having fun with it.  Just the idiots that came up with it.  Astronomy is one thing, but Astrology is some thing else.  it would benice if more people knew about astrology and weren't so rabidly skeptic/completely gullible.

I'd like to apply for a job where I had to put my chart in my resume!

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Posted 14 January 2011 - 11:26 AM

It may be bunk, but before Christianity attempted to wipe out the old (lunar) religion, which always had 13 months (thus 13 became unclucky) there ALWAYS was a 13th zodiac sign but it was Arachnid, the Spider. Thus the effort to make us scared of spiders too.





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