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[physicsolved]

Swede, on 10 February 2011 - 01:46 AM, said:

1) It may be that your close-reading/research capabilities are not serving you well. Had you made the effort to explore the second reference, you would have found the following:

  For example, the microscopic fossil shown on the left below comes from 2 billion year old rock.

This second reference was intentionally provided in order to clarify the initial quote and reference to waterborne microbes.

http://evolution.ber...stfossils.shtml

2) This next section would appear to be composed of yet another round of incoherent linguistic play.

3) Credentials - Are we then to take this section as a confirmation of the fact that you do not, indeed, have any legitimate training or experience in the fields in which you profess to be qualified?

4) Re: Dating. It would appear that this would contain a quote from another source. Three points. 1) Quoting a source without citation is considered plagiarism. This is highly frowned upon both professionally and within these pages. In more rigorous environments, your career could be over. 2) From the phrasing of this reference, it would not appear to come from a qualified source. 3) Given the date figure presented in the reference, it would appear to be quite outdated.

5) Questions:

Re: Date of planet. Figures vary somewhat, but they generally fall between ~ 4.5 and 4.6 billion years

http://pubs.usgs.gov...eotime/age.html

Re: First man - Your question here is decidedly vague. Are you referring to Homo sapiens, H. sapiens sapiens, or earlier/co-existing members of the line? For starters, please re-read:

http://anthro.paloma.../mod_homo_4.htm

Re: First land animals - Current research indicates a period circa 380 - 360 million BP. See below:

http://news.uchicago...p?asset_id=1458

http://www.ucmp.berk...ds/tetrafr.html

http://www.livescien...ppearances.html

Re: Earliest controlled use of fire. While there are potential indications of the controlled use of fire as early as 400Kya, there is sound documentation for this practice by 300 - 250 Kya. See below. Also note the meticulous and detailed nature of the research that goes into these determinations.

http://www.tau.ac.il...FireJHE2007.pdf

http://docs.google.c...akteqfvdfU_gChw

And the qualified documentation in support of your position?

Edited to add: And reasonably current. Your fledgling first attempts at documentation, even discounting the bias, are sadly outdated.

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Calibration? Is Evolution a “series”(saga- collection of “stories“)… of religious celebrations?

Celebrate(defined) : to perform (a sacrament or solemn ceremony) publicly and with appropriate rites ..  to honor (as a holiday) especially by solemn ceremonies… to mark (as an anniversary) by festivities or other deviation from routine

In the words of “cool and the gang” ..”celebrate good times.”

Evolutionists have never failed to propagate evolutionary theories (plethoric) as the “cool” way of viewing things. (hip, fly, peer review, assured, composed, coolheaded, deliberate, detached, dispassionate, impassive, imperturbable, levelheaded, nonchalant, philosophical, phlegmatic, placid, quiet, relaxed, self-controlled, self-possessed, serene, stolid, together, tranquil, unagitated, unemotional, unexcited, unflappable, unruffled)

Thus “cool” ( evolution?) and the “gang” ( evolutionists: Individual/collective) have never ceased to interpret “data” as well to “conclude ages”(saga-agas)  and through this frivolous unrestrained ignorance of principles and laws of intelligent design they have unyieldingly devised self-interpretive conclusions and “witty rationales” that they self-assuredly parrot as “facts”.

The evolutionists through the years have never “let up” in “celebrating” ( calibrating) “good times”. The times, ages as well as data they appeal to represent “bad interpretations” of “good intelligent design/methodology/chronology.” In their own minds their opinions are “good”. The “gang” agrees that they are good. With this incurable appeal to “what is accepted and popular must be correct” and due to the relegation of any consideration of intelligent design..the “GANG-green” that is evolutionary theory continues to spread.

They consist in and persist in this “illogical and petty” resolve to invalidate any and all intelligent design save their own. They have ever remained in this “mental state” while celebrating any and all “interpretations” that they have came to and subsequently embrace as “word.” Their ideas like the gangrene of religious ideology the world around is introduced to “naďve and impressionable” “kids” so as to deviously mold these ones ( relative to their malleable minds) so as to seek to add to the “cool and the gang.”

Need I remind these ones of the evolutionary  celebration that revolved around the Piltdown man.”( this proves that the adult evolutionists are just as naďve and venerable as the “potential evolutionists” represented by their kids):

Reference: Wicipedia “Piltdown man”

The "Piltdown Man" is a famous anthropological hoax concerning the finding of the remains of a previously unknown early human. The hoax find consisted of fragments of a skull and jawbone collected in 1912 from a gravel pit at Piltdown, a village near Uckfield, East Sussex, England. The fragments were thought by many experts of the day to be the fossilised remains of a hitherto unknown form of early man. The Latin name Eoanthropus dawsoni ("Dawson's dawn-man", after the collector Charles Dawson) was given to the specimen. The significance of the specimen remained the subject of controversy until it was exposed in 1953 as a forgery, consisting of the lower jawbone of an orangutan that had been deliberately combined with the skull of a fully developed modern human.
The Piltdown hoax is perhaps the most famous paleontological hoax ever. It has been prominent for two reasons: the attention paid to the issue of human evolution, and the length of time (more than 40 years) that elapsed from its discovery to its full exposure as a forgery.

So called “anthropologists” ..duped for 40 years.

In what ways did the evolutionists calibrate themselves to this “eating of crow”. We do know one thing that the “…“EXPERTS experts of the day (considered this ) to be the fossilised remains of a hitherto unknown form of early man.  

They were “hitherto” fooled this despite 40 years of  “controversy”..” until it was exposed in 1953 as a forgery,” Thus as this “fossil” was proven  false..so to the many interpretations of data accredited to the evolutionist are equally “false-ilized”( false-ified). Where formerly it was “celebrated!” ( the calibration of a human remains with that of animal remains).

Not dissimilar to the religious “effigies” , and despite this lie not being worthy of  further “memento” the following image represents the “fossilized burial” of the idea and the subsequent “memorializing” of the “hoax” ( lie, deceit….mental deviance). Notice that this  grave marker is not so dissimilar to the many other religious phallic symbols representing the life and subsequent death of religion gone awry.

Evolution= Religious ideal in opposition to intelligent design, purpose and accountability
Piltdown man= The consequence of such “susceptibility” to religious falsity.

However as it is the very nature of religious thought the “calibrations, calibrations, interpretation of data, farce chronologies, and fossilized religious thoughts ( engrained mental dispositions), unchanging repelling of logic etc..,will continue. It will not stop due to lack of mental resolve ( individually/collectively) and the shunning of logical thought.

Until it is abruptly put an end to as the product of the wise and intelligent resolve( resolve of purpose) by a logical and intelligent One whose thoughts are “higher” than the intellectual deficiency of humans.

Thus as it is true of religion it is true of the religion of evolution. A system of beliefs and traditions innate to a group of people. As it is true of religion the evolutionists to have “ performed publicly” their religion. The evolutionists have indeed! Honored “beasts” ( apes , fish, single celled organisms). Exactly as the religious systems of the world have for many thousands of years. They have performed “solemn ceremonies” ( the burial of the lie that was Piltdown man and the subsequent eulogizing of this “beastly” “image”. For upward of 40 years humans with illogical mindsets held this “skull image” in high esteem, revered it, framed religious ideals around it. Even after it was proven to be a hoax they took the time to honor it by burying it and placing a “marker” relative to the “beast.”

And they still claim that their ideas lack mental fortitude. They still claim that their credentials assure that they could not be “duped” again. They have calibrated things. They have researched these things better and now are even more (self) assured.

Fossil record! Ha ha! ( “false all” record…reassert/resort). They persist in living  with the “cool gang” in their self-absorbed,, self-maintained and self-built “false resort.“ It is at this mental resort that these ones   flock (  F+L+O+C+K= phallic) so as to be “men folk” ( masculine thinkers) and play “golf” ( flog= f+l+o+g…phallic). After a few rounds of golf and after talking insurance next to the “man made” pond that has the duck ( aflak-kalfa-aphallic- caliph-golf) then they come together as the “cool gang” so as to inevitably try to “flog” (golf)  the lie out of the truth.

Flog=  to beat with or as if with a rod or whip b : to criticize harshly. 2. : to force or urge into action : drive.  : to promote aggressively .

Thus it is true, and so long as religious ideas are allowed to remain unrestrained ..the religion that is evolution will continue to :

Promote aggressively the false (phallus) ideas of “chance”
Criticize harshly and arrogantly  logic and reasoning ability
Force or urge their religious ideologies on others ( kids at that!). Indeed! Force their religion down peoples throats.

As well:

To beat with or as if a rod or whip…the dickens out of intelligent design.

All must be careful not to succumb to the Piltdown man that is evolution. All must avoid the passivity that allows religious ideas to “go awry.” We need to be resolved to bury the Piltdown man as well forget about it verses treat it as worthy of exhumation or “reverence.

We all need to consider “alternative realities.”

[digitalartist]

physicsolved, on 10 February 2011 - 05:23 PM, said:

We all need to consider “alternative realities.”

We should also be aware that the story of the flood in the bible is just that a story, and not observations of a historical nature.  This, of course is born out by the knowledge that if Noah and his family truly existed, they died 100-200+ years before Moses was born so Moses could not have received factual information but just stories of a flood that most likely came from the Epics of Gilgamesh and Atrahasis, both earlier writings than that of the bible and both containing their own versions of floods.

Perhaps we should first consider reality

[kmt_sesh]

digitalartist, on 10 February 2011 - 05:52 PM, said:

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Perhaps we should first consider reality

I couldn't agree more. Considering "alternate realities" might be in fashion for some people who think it to be ever so cool, but facts are all that matter. And when we have facts to provide answers, "alternate realities" become nothing more than an exercise in intellectual sloth for people who don't understand science and history and don't care to educate themselves. This is fine if the person in question is a nine year old, but we all ought to expert more from adults. What we expect and what we get are often two different things, as is evident in this very discussion.

[physicsolved]

digitalartist, on 10 February 2011 - 05:52 PM, said:

We should also be aware that the story of the flood in the bible is just that a story, and not observations of a historical nature.  This, of course is born out by the knowledge that if Noah and his family truly existed, they died 100-200+ years before Moses was born so Moses could not have received factual information but just stories of a flood that most likely came from the Epics of Gilgamesh and Atrahasis, both earlier writings than that of the bible and both containing their own versions of floods.

Perhaps we should first consider reality

Huh?

Have you ever read an American history book allowing us to know the course of American history for over 200 years?

This argument is a strange one indeed.

Abraham was born a mere 2 years after Noah died. Thus Abrahams father Terah life overlapped the life of Noah. Terah perhaps talked to or at least knew of the pre flood  world events through Noah as well as his son Shem. Shem lived through the flood and was living for more than a century after Abraham was born. need I go further as to how information is "passed over" ( note the word "Hebrew" means" pass over"; "pass by" "pass across"

It is interesting that the word Phonology is described as : "the way sounds function within a given language or ACROSS LANGUAGES
to encode meaning.

Has the original "meaning" innate to Hebrew went "across languages?" If so: Can scrutinizing phonetics and phonology as encoding meaning as well relative to all modern language systems result in the ability to  decode the original language of man?

[Mangoze]

physicsolved, on 13 February 2011 - 05:17 PM, said:

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Abraham was born a mere 2 years after Noah died. Thus Abrahams father Terah life overlapped the life of Noah. Terah perhaps talked to or at least knew of the pre flood  world events through Noah as well as his son Shem. Shem lived through the flood and was living for more than a century after Abraham was born. ...

I note you claims about translating the bible from Greek, along with the fields of study you are knowledgeable in; most of which require a knowledge of applied statistics.  I've obsereved you are quite demanding on others to provide data.

I have one simple, and fairly minor, question - how did you calculate a life expectancy (average age) of 969 years for the human population prior to the flood?  That is, where is your data?

Additionally, where is this "canopy", you speak of, mentioned?  Are you referring to Earth's magnetic field, or something else?  

(I hope it's not something akin to the shield descriped in Higlander II: The Quickening.  Yes I admit I have seen it)0o.

Edited by Mangoze, 14 February 2011 - 12:06 AM.

[thenaturalvitalityelysium]

Oh my gosh, independently of you (or anyone else) I have wondered the exact same thing!

Why are human lifespans so pitifully short?-

We waste so much time and energy each generation, developing (physically, mentally, and educating) a new generation of humans over and over again in such a short timespan it is the equivalent of building a magnificant city only to bomb it to the ground the next day- it makes little sense.

I wondered- is it short because a) we "evolve" quicker by living and breeding new genetic "crosses"- so we are sacrificing and having short lifetimes in order to evolve more quickly?? Like taking the highway instead of the scenic route on a trip? Like trying to make humans "better" because if we had longer lifetimes this would take a heck of a lot longer potentially.

Or is it because (as you said, and I wondered exactly the same possibility of many possibiliites- but never told anyone as people are so closed minded) we are "test bunnies" for another race- a big experiment. I joked to my husband that any experiment that had involved as much suffering as mostly every living and conscious creature endures on planet earth these days to a lesser or further extent, that the experiment should be stopped as it is much, much too cruel and unconsionable. His repy was that, "don't worry, somebody, possibly the Americans will blow us all into non-existence sooner or later.. problem solved".. and I said "Oh, good, that's sooo reassuring, thanks hunny, always there with a comforting word of wisdom LMAO thanks a lot".

I always thought, maybe the "universe" or the "aliens gods" or some powerful agent of the universe would come down and say to every consicous being on the planet- alllright, you guys have suffered enough now- that was all just a test of your courage, morals and strength and you all passed (hence you or your ancestors are allive). Kind of like the endgame to Darwinian theory- a finishing line- where one would become a more "perfect" being and get a lifespan of say, at least 2 or 300 years- shorter than that (the ratio of developmental stage, to consolidation to ending stage- seems unfairly weighted to always be either reaching adulthood or declining rapidly- it sucks to be frank).

I don't think people should live "forever" because having a finite lifetime and a renewal (with the associated "amnesia") is a "safety catch" for endless suffering. I think it is a blessing in diguise, because no matter how much a conscious creature is suffering, the lifespan is finite, and therefore the suffering is finite. Dying and having children is sort of like the movie "50 first dates", each time we have children and die is is like having short and long term memory problems- it's quite bizarre and comical really in a dark comedy sort of way.

Also the same for joy or positive experience- let's say- (and this is a largely inadequate and partly nonsensical analogy, given) a king or queen has a monopoly on most of all that is good in life in a given lifespan- if that person lived forever the probability that the goods or wealth or benefit would be shared is smaller- at least if that person has children and dies, even if they pass along all their wealth (hypothetically) they are giving away at least 50% of it every generation to effectively "someone else" ie. the genes of their spouse in the form of their children- and each generation subsequently will be taking less and less of that person's genes along for the ride  after just four generations they have 6.25% of the orginal person's genes (as a very simplistic and not strictly true way of looking at it- but with an important grain of truth). Hence why some monarchy's interbred with their own relatives- but happily we know doing that long term ensures a high degree of genetic failure and is unsustainable. Heck, even if someone was vain enough to clone themselves, they would be  missing out on the directionality of evolution.

It also makes me incredibly sick to my stomach to think I don't remember the last ten-thousand years of my own existence as lived by my ancestors (yes I have always thought that some form of intergenerational memory carry over directly in the brain was a good idea) let alone the last million. Years of re-learning the same crap, doing the same crap (admittedly once again, it might be a blessing in disguise). In fact- look at the 27 years old CLUB- ie. the cult of people (usually celebraties) but also regular people- who have had enough of life by about age 27- and also the Brazilian native Indian tribes for example- traditional living (previously undisturbed by outside cultures for 1000s of years possibly)- in this case they usually commit ritual suicide using a palm poison by their late twenties or early thirites- they say they do it because they miss their dead relatives and they want to join them- that also- but they are also admittedly probably bored of life by that age. So it is a cross-cultural phenomenon. In fact, if people had lived incredibly long life spans with the current set of biology that we have and the current circumstances it might drive us from our sanity. But in modern life, if we could have some carry-over in our brains of our ancestors memories in some sort of balanced and intergrated way, we would be more infornmed, more whole, less lonely, less likely to repeat mistakes, and have a richness of experience to draw upon that dwarfs anything we can currently even imagine- and these native brazilian tribes people, celebrites pop-stars and many other people, would probably stop "topping" themselves so soon. It would open up the way for us to live longer and have a better time doing so.

ironically, this being demonstrated (by a whole tribe, by celebrities, and countless others)- it seems that we also have to evolve our way past a weariness of life that makes us long for death on occasion after a certain age.

We are all (on average) attracted to the most "average" human face (according to a scientific study) and so it seems that when we choose a mate, they have features that will bring our own features closer to the "middle" of the global human gene pool. Some people go for a version of themselves (very similar) with a slight tweak in a direction, others choose someone dramatically different- either way they are looking for balancing genes. On a global scale it seems rather like tieing in threads of a piece of cloth- it is one thing to have the piece of fibres next to you connected, but the material become stronger when you have threads that go end-to-end.

Anyway, I have lot's of thoughts about these things, and I  have always felt trapped in a shorter lifespan than I was supposed to have, once I got to age 25-26 I felt like I should have remained in a steady state of adulthood physiologically for a good 20-70 years longer or more. I always thought 200-300 years would do me, as long as I remained in good health, and everyone else also aged in the same fashion.

I always felt like we should have evolved further by now, and that we are "held back" some how as a species. I hope future generations "crack" the code of allowing us to live like we are supposed to. I feel like naturally, with no intervention, we should live longer- that is my genuine belief- and that is it wasn't for "something" don't ask me what- that we would.

[thenaturalvitalityelysium]

There are so many snide,  harsh, acerbic and thoughtless comments in reply to the original topic. I have never heard so many, unimaginative people with closed minds, eyes that only look in one direction, ready to accept with full faith (and yes faith is not a "positivisitcally rational" thing) the theories put forward by other people to close their minds to every other idea nobody has a monopoly on ideas (these supposedly  only to the wrongful exclusion of all others 'credible' sources who happen to be in universities etc. funded with $$$) who happen to be made credible by "insititutions" as if powerful people and groups who create insitiutions and the the most trustworthy people on earth (nice joke). My god- have some imagination people, and stop taking as gospel everything someone else tells you- that includes things who read in science books and "scientific theories" that are new or hundreds of years old. Listen to what they day- THEN THINK for yourself, USE your imagination, TEST things for yourself. LISTEN to your gut instinct- it tells you more truth than others would otherwise have you believe. Believe in your own ideas, and even if they are a work in progress, discussion not snide comments and shutting down- because not one of you who made snide comments has abosolute proof either of your own theories being right, or anyone else's being wrong..Discussion should be open, humble and unbiased.. OPENNESS AND IMAGINATION ARE KEY because we are, all , after all, just humans.. and all flawed and cannot possibly know even one tiny piece of the whole truth of the universe which is at present (althought we have made some small and impressive inroads) mostly not within our means to understand most of all be loving to each other, even in discussion with strangers on the internet .. also, everything in human progress starts with an idea. lot's of brilliant inventions that seemed ludicrous and unthinkable in the distant past came from FICTION, the imagination and people with open minds, to dream the impossible dream.. and then it happens

[thenaturalvitalityelysium]

megabyte, on 30 January 2011 - 04:20 PM, said:

sigh - think London before motorcars were invented - people agonized that London streets will be buried in horse manure

if we had the lifespan we would definitely be space explorers and start colonizing other places - perhaps some of the moons would be good to live on?

life-span is a major obstacle to our space exploration efforts

also think about it - if you lived to a thousand years but had the youth and vitality of a 25 year old for most of that time - you would never be poor!

a lot of ppl manage to get a few things by the time they retire - own home perhaps, a bit of investments perhaps. Imagine if instead of retirement you could plan to start having a family AFTER you pay your home off and create some passive income for yourself

imagine having a career first and then planning to take time to have a family - these days for women it is often an either/or - either have a career or have a family, as it is very difficult to have both

we are also fast heading to a situation where one college degree is not enough so a lot of people have 2 college degrees and they pay off their student loans forever - think if your lifespan was so much longer so that you did not have to try and fit it all in the exact same 30 years

the prime of life to me is the time that elite athletes and top models are at the top of their chosen field and if they start at age 15 they typically look for other things to do before they are 30 years old - that is such a small slice of life that humans are at their peak

I would like humans to be at their peak for a whole lot longer - think what we would achieve - the discoveries our scientists could make, the songs that someone could write and perform - think of ABBA, they disbanded because they were working too hard producing 1 album a year [and personal difficulties too off course] and if they lived to age 1000 they could take 20 years off and then record again and still be looking as fresh as they did when they were the hottest group in many countries [there is talk of them performing together once again but they wont be as visually appealing as they were before]

I see positives - not everyone will want to have a baby every year for 1000 years - that is a huge family. if you have the lifespan you can plan to do so much more with your life and there is no reason to think that we will all live on earth forever

I want to live longer longer

Could we then evolve our brains to handle more data over time (exactly like the way our brains handle more than a monkey, or say a fruit fly's brain would)- we will just have to evolve bigger more efficient brains to keep up with our longer lives- similar to the analogy of the way we are upgrading our computer techology's processing and memory capacity. I think we have a long way to go in terms of brain processing and memory evolution. Because otherwise, you are exactly right, we won't have the capacity to  comprehend what will seem like incredibly fast moving events even those of our own human lives we- perhaps to the point that like electron flickers, it would move so fast we couldn't even see it because our eyes are attuned to our brain, and our brains are attuned to long time spans, we would have to evolve our brain for sure.. can do I say.. we've done it before.. we can do it ..again. ..maybe we will become a hive mind to improve these capacities similar to how computers are moving towards cloud style technology to improve processing and memory capacities and availability of data etc.

[DieChecker]

The good news is that probably at 25 a person can expect with medical advances in progress to live twice as long as their parents. Maybe to 150 years or more, because as you age, even more advances will be made, further pushing out your lifespan.

The bad news is that telling people to be Open and Imaginative is all very good, but without evidence you're just spouting out Opinion. An arguement that is Unsupported.

I do believe the human race is quickly being changed by our environments. As a whole, we are loosing our eyesight and hair rapidly, and we are moving less on average. And we are using our brains in ways that our hunter/gatherer forefathers could not have imagined. Thus evolution will support those whos brain works better with a computer, as he/she will have a better income and a more secure life, and have more opportunities and better resources to raise children.

It is just like breeding dogs. A new breed can be developed actually very quickly, and they can sometimes appear nothing at all like their parent breeds. Humans are adapting to their enviroment... being breed for their enviroment... very quickly.

[sam12six]

DieChecker, on 08 October 2012 - 04:30 AM, said:

The good news is that probably at 25 a person can expect with medical advances in progress to live twice as long as their parents. Maybe to 150 years or more, because as you age, even more advances will be made, further pushing out your lifespan.

The bad news is that telling people to be Open and Imaginative is all very good, but without evidence you're just spouting out Opinion. An arguement that is Unsupported.

Agreed on both points. There's no room for imagination in science (or in the scientific aspects of history). The current consensus opinion is always what the evidence seems to indicate. If we learn something different based on new evidence, the science changes to incorporate. Insisting on that evidence instead of haring down the trail of every imaginable hypothesis is not having a closed mind.

DieChecker, on 08 October 2012 - 04:30 AM, said:

I do believe the human race is quickly being changed by our environments. As a whole, we are loosing our eyesight and hair rapidly, and we are moving less on average. And we are using our brains in ways that our hunter/gatherer forefathers could not have imagined. Thus evolution will support those whos brain works better with a computer, as he/she will have a better income and a more secure life, and have more opportunities and better resources to raise children.

It is just like breeding dogs. A new breed can be developed actually very quickly, and they can sometimes appear nothing at all like their parent breeds. Humans are adapting to their enviroment... being breed for their enviroment... very quickly.

I don't know, man. Organized-brained people don't seem to run around making babies everywhere they spend more than a couple of nights in a row. Stupid people... do. Since our tech and social safety nets mean these babies don't actually DIE due to the incompetence of the parents, I don't know if that evolutionary pressure will favor the egghead. Add in the fact that we'll need a helluva cultural revolution before being good with computers actually gives someone more opportunities to have sex than, say, having weed in your pocket and I believe it's a safe bet that the popularity of Star Trek conventions isn't going to explode with the next generation of young people.

[Rlyeh]

thenaturalvitalityelysium, on 08 October 2012 - 02:06 AM, said:

Oh my gosh, independently of you (or anyone else) I have wondered the exact same thing!

Why are human lifespans so pitifully short?

Compared to what?
You're asking a loaded and subjective question, even if it is just rhetoric.

[HoboMoo]

I think the reason why humans have a short life span is very simple. If people live for too long, we will overpopulate and use all resources up. This is already happening due to people living to just 75. Modern medicine has extended the lifespan and now generations are sticking of top of one another, causing havic to the Earth

[synchronomy]

HoboMoo, on 08 October 2012 - 10:57 PM, said:

I think the reason why humans have a short life span is very simple. If people live for too long, we will overpopulate and use all resources up. This is already happening due to people living to just 75. Modern medicine has extended the lifespan and now generations are sticking of top of one another, causing havic to the Earth

Although modern medicine has done marvels...
The invention of flushing toilets and sanitary sewer systems,  clean drinking water, and readily available food has done a lot too.

[kmt_sesh]

synchronomy, on 09 October 2012 - 01:08 AM, said:

Although modern medicine has done marvels...
The invention of flushing toilets and sanitary sewer systems,  clean drinking water, and readily available food has done a lot too.

In fact, clean drinking water was one of the most important health-related accomplishments in human history. It's hard to imagine the untold millions of lives that alone saved. Proper sewage treatment is also essential—cholera was getting to be such a nuisance.

It's a multiplicity of factors that has extended human life considerably. Around 4,000 years ago, the average lifespan in most parts of the world was around 35. Today, if you look at a kid walking by, you can be pretty confident that kid will live to be at least 78 (at least in developed countries). And that kid's kids? Who knows? I imagine the lifespan will be well into the nineties in the near future.

Considering all of this, then, humans do not have short lifespans anymore. Relatively speaking, at least. Most animals live only a fraction as long as we do.

[The Mule]

FYI - Humans have longer lifespans than any other primate.