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[H.H. Holmes]

Read the newest National Geographic, it has an article and some awesome pictures of Gobekli Tepe.

[questionmark]

H.H. Holmes, on 04 June 2011 - 01:09 PM, said:

Read the newest National Geographic, it has an article and some awesome pictures of Gobekli Tepe.

I have, but it still does not have all the answers required to form an authoritative opinion.

[H.H. Holmes]

I know, I was just trying to inform others if they want to further educate themselves on the topic. Not saying it has all the answers or anything.

[Abramelin]

know_doubt, on 04 June 2011 - 12:57 PM, said:

Interesting how little we know about our own past

That gives some lunatics/fantasts a freeway to post their insane theories.

And if some scientist shows up, and tells them they were wrong and uninformed, s/he get's accused of collabrorating with some government conspiracy.

[H.H. Holmes]

Abramelin, on 04 June 2011 - 06:33 PM, said:

That gives some lunatics/fantasts a freeway to post their insane theories.

And if some scientist shows up, and tells them they were wrong and uninformed, s/he get's accused of collabrorating with some government conspiracy.

Well, it is a true statement. There are still things to be discovered, we don't have the complete picture of the development of human society. There are new finds made every month that give us new insights into the past.

[Ove]

Ove, on 14 February 2011 - 10:00 PM, said:

The Göbekli Tepe pillars are statues of dead priests (saints) standing in circles around two high priests.

National Geographic June 2011 says It's a priest

http://ngm.nationalg...g-gobekli-video

[SlimJim22]

Does it not look electrical to anyone? To me that looks like a basic circuit or something related to the channelling of energy. I may be wrong but I think it likely these sort of structures served some kind of function though a practice of geomancy and subtle energies within the earth. I appreciate this is unlikely but to me it looks like a temp,e designed to channel current.

[Damrod]

SlimJim22, on 04 June 2011 - 09:11 PM, said:

Does it not look electrical to anyone? To me that looks like a basic circuit or something related to the channelling of energy. I may be wrong but I think it likely these sort of structures served some kind of function though a practice of geomancy and subtle energies within the earth. I appreciate this is unlikely but to me it looks like a temp,e designed to channel current.

Not sure about the conductive properties of Limestone.  I'm not a proponent of the idea of mysticism or metaphysics, but that's fine for those that are.

I think it's one of the most interesting ancient sites I have ever read about.  I have read everything I could get my hands on except the papers written in German...I don't know how to speak German and the last time I tried to use an online translator, I got crappy results.  Maybe I should try again.  Anyone else tried?

[questionmark]

Damrod, on 05 June 2011 - 12:37 AM, said:

Not sure about the conductive properties of Limestone.  I'm not a proponent of the idea of mysticism or metaphysics, but that's fine for those that are.

I think it's one of the most interesting ancient sites I have ever read about.  I have read everything I could get my hands on except the papers written in German...I don't know how to speak German and the last time I tried to use an online translator, I got crappy results.  Maybe I should try again.  Anyone else tried?

Don't have to try, know German. Now, if you leave me a note about the paper you are referring to I'll leave you a synopsis.

[Damrod]

questionmark, on 05 June 2011 - 12:54 AM, said:

Don't have to try, know German. Now, if you leave me a note about the paper you are referring to I'll leave you a synopsis.

Thank you.  I'll look them up again.  I believe they were older papers, 2004, 2006, etc.  I'm guessing that the newer released material probably includes them but I'd like to know that for sure and not assume.

[SlimJim22]

Damrod, on 05 June 2011 - 12:37 AM, said:

Not sure about the conductive properties of Limestone.  I'm not a proponent of the idea of mysticism or metaphysics, but that's fine for those that are.

I think it's one of the most interesting ancient sites I have ever read about.  I have read everything I could get my hands on except the papers written in German...I don't know how to speak German and the last time I tried to use an online translator, I got crappy results.  Maybe I should try again.  Anyone else tried?

No, limestone probably not that conductive unless there was a lot of water, which there is no evidence of. However, I was more thinking of the people or priests as being the conductors. Just a bit of fringe speculation.  

[siezmic]

questionmark, on 03 June 2011 - 01:10 PM, said:

At this point there is much speculation about that. Except excavation not much has been done at this point. But the indication seems to be that the place was not inhabited, which would stay in the tradition of certain cult caves (Mostly southern Europe)of the time or preceding Gobeliki. That is why we assume that it comes from the same hunter gatherer cultures that preceded agriculture.  Now, everybody could be dead wrong.

Not until the gross excavation is done can the theoretical work begin, and at that point we will know how things fit together.

I keep looking at the immense size of the earthworks, the scale of the wall structures and the size of the rock mass that was moved and it appears to me that this effort required a combination of a lot of time, or resources (people and technologies), or probably both, to be applied to create the outcome we see today. In which case I think it is reasonable to imagine a sizeable construction population would have been present on permanent location near the site  for many years - long enough to expect to see some sign of habitation.  Given that no sign of this has emerged to date I believe there is still a lot to discover.

I wonder if the site was developed as a focus for a hunter-gatherer culture which eventually succumbed or transitioned to an agrarian culture which sought to distance itself from its 'barbarian' hunter-gatherer past - hence the burial of the site which avoided upsetting old beliefs and religious superstitions which could have occurred if the site had been attacked and destroyed or dismantled by the emergent culture.

[questionmark]

siezmic, on 05 June 2011 - 12:11 PM, said:

I keep looking at the immense size of the earthworks, the scale of the wall structures and the size of the rock mass that was moved and it appears to me that this effort required a combination of a lot of time, or resources (people and technologies), or probably both, to be applied to create the outcome we see today. In which case I think it is reasonable to imagine a sizeable construction population would have been present on permanent location near the site  for many years - long enough to expect to see some sign of habitation.  Given that no sign of this has emerged to date I believe there is still a lot to discover.

I wonder if the site was developed as a focus for a hunter-gatherer culture which eventually succumbed or transitioned to an agrarian culture which sought to distance itself from its 'barbarian' hunter-gatherer past - hence the burial of the site which avoided upsetting old beliefs and religious superstitions which could have occurred if the site had been attacked and destroyed or dismantled by the emergent culture.

They had a lot of time, about 3000 years during which the site was active. They probably got the record for the longest permanently existing culture.

The burial is sure puzzling, but it could be simply that you don't simply walk away from a place that has influenced your culture for such a long time.

[Abramelin]

H.H. Holmes, on 04 June 2011 - 06:47 PM, said:

Well, it is a true statement. There are still things to be discovered, we don't have the complete picture of the development of human society. There are new finds made every month that give us new insights into the past.

True, and it's scientists who discover things, not 'channelers' or other rear-end preachers.

They just fantasize, and hope we idiots will gobble it all up. Well, many people who lost their marbles did.

These morons/preachers are addicted to public attention. Scientists, on the other hand, have a theory based on facts/finds, and can only hope their collegues will agree with them. If their conclusions are way off, they will be torched by their collegues in the field of research.

[the L]

Abramelin, on 04 June 2011 - 06:33 PM, said:

That gives some lunatics/fantasts a freeway to post their insane theories.

And if some scientist shows up, and tells them they were wrong and uninformed, s/he get's accused of collabrorating with some government conspiracy.

It is good to speculate and give theories.
Again Science is self correcting.