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[crystal sage]

Just found this online... maybe a new way to explore this site ?

[crystal sage]

Evidence of a  meteorite storm 12,000 years ago    an explanation for the burial of Gobleki Tepe of why the people may have gone underground... the cause of the great floods... the coming  ice age ?  ... http://www.dailymail...vilisation.html

[Harsh86_Patel]

I believe it to be a hunters hall,were venerated hunters were honoured. Agriculturist must have buried the monument.

[TheSearcher]

Harsh86_Patel, on 08 February 2013 - 10:33 AM, said:

I believe it to be a hunters hall,were venerated hunters were honoured. Agriculturist must have buried the monument.

What on earth is an agriculturist and why pray tell would they do this?

[lightly]

..someone earlier brought up  Cain (the farmer/agriculturalist)   Killing , his brother, Able,  the shepherd/hunter  ... and how that story might be based on an agricultural people conquering that area... Much earlier .    . .  ? Just thought that was an interesting and plausible idea?

[The Puzzler]

crystal sage, on 23 January 2013 - 08:35 AM, said:

Evidence of a  meteorite storm 12,000 years ago an explanation for the burial of Gobleki Tepe of why the people may have gone underground... the cause of the great floods... the coming  ice age ?  ... http://www.dailymail...vilisation.html

An interesting article cs, thanks. Robert Schoch says the most likely explanation, rather than meteors, is a huge solar burst, which had a similar heat impact on the Earth and bought the cataclysmic changes.

He also says 4 of the 'enclosures' align to Orion, Taurus and the Pleiades but also that the builders at Gobelki Tepe realigned them over time, noting the change in precession.

[Harsh86_Patel]

TheSearcher, on 08 February 2013 - 01:40 PM, said:

What on earth is an agriculturist and why pray tell would they do this?

There are two reasons why i feel this way about Gobekli Tepe-
1.Recent findings push the date of the indus valley civilization well beyond 7000 B.C. .Their patron God was Pashupatinath (a deity said to have been later transformed into Shiva).


He was the god of the Hunt and Animals in general.This makes me feel there may be a link between the people who built Gobekli Tepe and the Ancients of Indus valley.Gobekli tepe could have been a sort of shrine or temple to the great god of the hunt. Distance between Indus Valley civilization and Gobekli Tepe by a land route is approx 2500 miles.
Other then IVC there are very few candidates for a cultured people who could have somewhat been contemporary with the Gobekli Tepe Monuments in terms of Age.

2.Shift from hunting to agriculture and blockage of the travelling route could have been the reason for the back filling of the revered site.

[TheSearcher]

Harsh86_Patel, on 11 February 2013 - 06:33 AM, said:

There are two reasons why i feel this way about Gobekli Tepe-
1.Recent findings push the date of the indus valley civilization well beyond 7000 B.C. .Their patron God was Pashupatinath (a deity said to have been later transformed into Shiva).


He was the god of the Hunt and Animals in general.This makes me feel there may be a link between the people who built Gobekli Tepe and the Ancients of Indus valley.Gobekli tepe could have been a sort of shrine or temple to the great god of the hunt. Distance between Indus Valley civilization and Gobekli Tepe by a land route is approx 2500 miles.
Other then IVC there are very few candidates for a cultured people who could have somewhat been contemporary with the Gobekli Tepe Monuments in terms of Age.

2.Shift from hunting to agriculture and blockage of the travelling route could have been the reason for the back filling of the revered site.

Could you source the recent finding about the indus Valley culture? I hadn't heard about this before, other then of fringe authors and they usually overshoot it by 10.000 years at least.

But your premise will only work, if you can establish a link between the two and if the indus valley civilization did indeed start earlier than 7000 B.C. So far it's only a "maybe" in my opinion.

[cormac mac airt]

TheSearcher, on 11 February 2013 - 08:57 AM, said:

Could you source the recent finding about the indus Valley culture? I hadn't heard about this before, other then of fringe authors and they usually overshoot it by 10.000 years at least.

But your premise will only work, if you can establish a link between the two and if the indus valley civilization did indeed start earlier than 7000 B.C. So far it's only a "maybe" in my opinion.

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“On the basis of radio-metric dates from Bhirrana (Haryana), the cultural remains of the pre-early Harappan horizon go back to 7380 BC to 6201 BC.”

http://www.hindustan...le1-954601.aspx

Searcher, the writer had to take great liberties as to what constitutes a "civilization" to have made such a claim. The bold portion above was the beginning of what was to become the IVC and not the age of the civilization as a whole. The claim to pushing back the date of civilization here is about as meaningless as claiming the date of Nabta Playa means that the Egytian Civilization dates to c.9000 BC.

cormac

[the L]

cormac mac airt, on 11 February 2013 - 06:40 PM, said:

...means that the Egytian Civilization dates to c.9000 BC.

cormac

Some Egyptologists claim that AE civilization is even older. And that is legacy not development.

[cormac mac airt]

the L, on 11 February 2013 - 06:46 PM, said:

Some Egyptologists claim that AE civilization is even older. And that is legacy not development.

And which Egyptologists would that be and how much older, since AE civilization as such only starts with the development of writing and unification around 3100/3200 BC?

BTW, a "precursor" to a civilization is not the same as the civilization itself.

cormac

[the L]

John Anthony West. As he said, quote:
"Egyptian civilization was not a 'development', it was a legacy."

His said 36 000 BC while Schoch belives around 6000/7000 BC.

[Abramelin]

crystal sage, on 23 January 2013 - 08:35 AM, said:

Evidence of a  meteorite storm 12,000 years ago an explanation for the burial of Gobleki Tepe of why the people may have gone underground... the cause of the great floods... the coming  ice age ?  ... http://www.dailymail...vilisation.html

I think you mean a possible impact around 12,900 BP. It's a disputed theory based on finds that are also being heavily discussed, but true or not, it is still almost 2000 years before the Göbekli Tepe structure was buried.

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EDIT:

Even your article says:

‘The presence of a thick charcoal layer in the ancient village in Syria indicates a major fire associated with the melt-glass and impact spherules 12,900 years ago,’ he continued.


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Edited by Abramelin, 11 February 2013 - 07:40 PM.

[cormac mac airt]

the L, on 11 February 2013 - 07:26 PM, said:

John Anthony West. As he said, quote:
"Egyptian civilization was not a 'development', it was a legacy."

His said 36 000 BC while Schoch belives around 6000/7000 BC.

And where and when did he receive his Doctorate?

cormac

[the L]

cormac mac airt, on 11 February 2013 - 07:44 PM, said:

And where and when did he receive his Doctorate?

cormac

He didnt? As I remember when I read Serpent in the sky I think that there I read that he was Egyptologist. Also right now Im on movie 2 of 8 serial Magical Egypt. I dont know did you wtach it but J.A. West has some interesting views and points.