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[smart_alec]

Please watch the whole 36 video's(or at least 12) before bashing his photos or anything he explains himself very well and will most likely answer any question you have.

and he also talkes about time travel

[smart_alec]

sorry the videos are on youtube type this in for the next one   Part 2/39 A Conversation with Andrew D. Basiago

[badeskov]

smart_alec, on 03 February 2011 - 03:44 AM, said:

Please watch the whole 36 video's(or at least 12) before bashing his photos or anything he explains himself very well and will most likely answer any question you have.

and he also talkes about time travel

Thanks, but no thanks. Honestly, there is no way I am going to sit through 36 youtube videos to siphon out what is probably all nonsense in the first place. No, not even 12. That said, you can get it all in text at his website. And it ain't pretty reading. In fact, it starts out pretty bad. This is what meets the eye when first opening it:

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This is the web portal to receive news and information about  the world's leading research, education, disclosure, and advocacy  organization dedicated to fostering the study and protection of the  ecology and civilization of Mars.

But before we get to that, I just want to bring up his sister website. And it starts out just as bad:

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This is the web portal to receive news and information about  Andrew D. Basiago's quest to lobby the US government to disclose its  teleportation secret so that teleportation can be adopted on a global  basis to help humanity achieve planetary sustainability in the 21st  century.

Holy Crap^TM (Fiver on it's way to Sweetpumper). I mean, this is just just extraordinary!!! The US Government have teleportation technology (don't tell that to austronauts, for instance, that rely on the shuttle or Soyuz capsules to bring them to the ISS). He must really have some in depth knowledge then. From his BIO on his webpage

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Andrew D. Basiago, J.D., M.C.R.P. (Dist), M.Phil. (Cantab),  49, the founder and president of MARS and team leader of Project  Pegasus, is a lawyer, writer, scholar, and 21st century visionary.

Wow. His technical credentials really jump out at you, don't they? Or maybe not, because they are non-existent! But wait, there is more:

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He has been identified as the first of two "planetary whistleblowers"  predicted by the Web Bot, which analyzes the content of the World Wide  Web to discern global trends.

I mean, that doesn't even need to be commented on. And so it continues:

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His paper The Discovery of Life on Mars, published in 2008, was the first work to prove that Mars is an inhabited planet.

Inhabited? By what? And obviously he hasn't proven anything as then we wouldn't be having this silly discussion by now. But we'll get back to that as that was really the gist of your initial post. I just wanted to bring this up from his BIO also:

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In the late 1960s and early 1970s, he was a child participant in the  time-space exploration program of the US defense-technical community,  "Project Pegasus."

In that capacity, he was the first American child to teleport and  took part in probes to past and future events utilizing time travel  technologies then being researched and developed by the Defense Advanced  Research Projects Agency (DARPA)

Sigh. I mean, to believe this silliness is simply ludicrous. Why would they, first of all, use children for their experiments? The would naturally use monkeys for the initial tests and then adult subjects that could accurately describe what they felt and so on during the tests. Oh, and as a side note, it was called ARPA back then. You would kinda think he would know having been there and all, eh?

Well, back to his Mars "research" on the first website. I just grabbed this paper from his website entitled "THE DISCOVERY OF LIFE ON MARS" as I figured that would be fairly representative. I didn't really want to go through the others, to be blunt. So it starts out with:

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Evidence that the Red Planet harbors life and has for eons was discovered by the author by examining NASA photograph PIA10214, a westward view of the West Valley of the Columbia Basin in the Gusev Crater that was taken by the Mars Exploration Rover Spirit in November 2007 and beamed back to the Earth.

Which already buries his research pretty thoroughly. Essentially, not only is he using data from others, but also data that has already been analyzed in detail by experts in many fields, astronomers, geologists, physicists and the like. And what was his competence in the relevant fields again? It was non-existent, that is what it was.

But lets entertain ourselves a bit more. This is the image he is referring to (link):



And this is what he claims to have found:

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The life forms contained in PIA10214 include humanoids with bulbous heads and elongated bodies, like those beings described in the UFO literature; animals still found on Earth, including lizards, frogs, snakes, alligators, and mantises; animals that once existed on Earth but are now extinct, including the reptile species plesiosaur, which has been advanced as a solution in the Loch Ness, Lake Champlain, and Lake Okanagan mysteries; and animals that have never existed on Earth, including human-insect hybrids with multiple appendages like centipedes, termites, and silverfish, segmented bodies like scorpions, and larval bodies like Earth worms, fly larvae, and butterfly chrysalises.

Emphasis mine. Do you see those life forms? I certainly don't. And neither did any of the scientists that have been studying these images in great detail. But I will quote on last part:

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The artwork on Mars found thus far in this photograph consists almost entirely of statues of human and animal heads, intaglios carved casually on rocks featuring human and alien faces, and vast etchings carved on the ground conveying human and animal themes.
Giant grotesque heads exist in several places (including The Rock Garden) that are either the skulls of large, dead hominids or sculptures designed to resemble demonic entities, with head and hands rising from below to devour or bury those on the Martian surface.

I think this explains it all. The rest of the paper is pretty poor conjecture based on part vivid imagination, part the wish to have something to be there. It is rock formations that have already been explained in detail by scientists. In other words, it is ludicrous. So, please do save me the youtube videos.

Cheers,
Badeskov

Edited for typos.

Edited by badeskov, 03 February 2011 - 06:28 AM.

[AliensRPeople2]

Hello...

Many Mars life websites mix small partial evidence with silly ludicrous claims as part of a plan to discredit the ENTIRE idea of current life on Mars.

I find the most credible site in regards to current life on Mars is JP Skippers'  MARS ANOMALY RESEARCH.COM

One does need to do their own homework at his site and READ.  Follow up on provided links and READ SOME MORE. If one is not willing to do just that then don't.  But unless one does their own study of his findings one cannot possibly imho refute his claims.

Mr. Skipper does some images of Earth but if you stick to the Mars info only you will find a lot of intruiging info...  you might want to firs5t go to hid evidence master list and find the evidence of tampering reports.  There is tampering going on somewhere between the rover sending nasa the data and when that data is posted for the public.

I had followed up on this claim myself at the Bad Astronomy forum and spoke to a nasa employee who claimed nasa was indeed obfuscating the images but he didn't know why.

If nasa is tampering with the images then what are they hiding?

ARP2

[booNyzarC]

Thank you Badeskov.  Saved me a great deal of time and research.  Mind boggling that anyone believes this crap.  But oh well, I guess everyone is entitled to believe whatever they wish.

But before anyone jumps on any kind of bandwagon, I'll be reading this in full again tomorrow, to confirm just because I'm anal about such things.  But if a credible voice is to be heard, I'd mark Badeskov's among the most accurate (among many others, of course) of contributors to this forum.

And I encourage anyone else to double check this as well.  It will be an educational experience to confirm the diligence that Badeskov has shown us here.

[smart_alec]

badeskov, on 03 February 2011 - 06:26 AM, said:

Thanks, but no thanks. Honestly, there is no way I am going to sit through 36 youtube videos to siphon out what is probably all nonsense in the first place. No, not even 12. That said, you can get it all in text at his website. And it ain't pretty reading. In fact, it starts out pretty bad. This is what meets the eye when first opening it:



But before we get to that, I just want to bring up his sister website. And it starts out just as bad:



Holy Crap^TM (Fiver on it's way to Sweetpumper). I mean, this is just just extraordinary!!! The US Government have teleportation technology (don't tell that to austronauts, for instance, that rely on the shuttle or Soyuz capsules to bring them to the ISS). He must really have some in depth knowledge then. From his BIO on his webpage



Wow. His technical credentials really jump out at you, don't they? Or maybe not, because they are non-existent! But wait, there is more:





I mean, that doesn't even need to be commented on. And so it continues:





Inhabited? By what? And obviously he hasn't proven anything as then we wouldn't be having this silly discussion by now. But we'll get back to that as that was really the gist of your initial post. I just wanted to bring this up from his BIO also:



Sigh. I mean, to believe this silliness is simply ludicrous. Why would they, first of all, use children for their experiments? The would naturally use monkeys for the initial tests and then adult subjects that could accurately describe what they felt and so on during the tests. Oh, and as a side note, it was called ARPA back then. You would kinda think he would know having been there and all, eh?

yea he did know DARPA was called ARPA he mentions this in the video if u would watch it man whatever i do admit some of his pictured are pretty blurry and dont show much but its not like hes saying its rich in life he just saying theres life
Well, back to his Mars "research" on the first website. I just grabbed this paper from his website entitled "THE DISCOVERY OF LIFE ON MARS" as I figured that would be fairly representative. I didn't really want to go through the others, to be blunt. So it starts out with:



Which already buries his research pretty thoroughly. Essentially, not only is he using data from others, but also data that has already been analyzed in detail by experts in many fields, astronomers, geologists, physicists and the like. And what was his competence in the relevant fields again? It was non-existent, that is what it was.

But lets entertain ourselves a bit more. This is the image he is referring to (link):



And this is what he claims to have found:



Emphasis mine. Do you see those life forms? I certainly don't. And neither did any of the scientists that have been studying these images in great detail. But I will quote on last part:



I think this explains it all. The rest of the paper is pretty poor conjecture based on part vivid imagination, part the wish to have something to be there. It is rock formations that have already been explained in detail by scientists. In other words, it is ludicrous. So, please do save me the youtube videos.

Cheers,
Badeskov

Edited for typos.

[Paxus]

That time travel has already been achieved is funny, entertaining and sounds ludicrous but then again, how would we know?

[Sweetpumper]

smart_alec, on 03 February 2011 - 03:44 AM, said:

Please watch the whole 36 video's

LMAO!!!

That was a good one.

[glyndowers heir]

You want me to view 36 youtube videos
to find out that this guy is either a kook or a liar or possibly both?   

You have more chance of successfully plaiting fog than that happening!

[Rocketgirl33]

Well, I did not listen to all of them but just enouph. I don't think this mans mind is based in reality. I think he has created his very own special place and now wants to share it with everyone. ANYONE can start a website and use it to collect other people who believe in time travel and mars mans ect......anyone. I think that by the end of the day you could probably have some people logging on to your site and agreeing with you, that does not make you right. One thing I do notice about people that create their own reality is, they believe it so whole heartily that they almost sound believeable.


Rocketgirl

[promKing]

What about this?:

"Viking Found Organics on Mars, Experiment Confirms"

    * A reanalysis of Mars Viking experiments shows the probes did find organics.
    * The result was not initially understood due to the strong oxidation effects of a salt in the Mars soil known as perchlorate.
    * A follow-up study on perchlorate-enhanced soil similar to what's found on Mars revealed fingerprints of combusted organics.

Full article

[booNyzarC]

promKing, on 05 February 2011 - 09:08 AM, said:

What about this?:

"Viking Found Organics on Mars, Experiment Confirms"

    * A reanalysis of Mars Viking experiments shows the probes did find organics.
    * The result was not initially understood due to the strong oxidation effects of a salt in the Mars soil known as perchlorate.
    * A follow-up study on perchlorate-enhanced soil similar to what's found on Mars revealed fingerprints of combusted organics.

Full article

Fascinating article, thanks for posting it.  But it does go on to say:

New evidence for organics on Mars does not mean Viking found life, cautions McKay.

"Finding organics is not evidence of life or evidence of past life. It's just evidence for organics," he said.

Still, it is interesting and I'm happy to hear that this new finding has spurred an additional mission.

[Paxus]

booNyzarC, on 05 February 2011 - 04:39 PM, said:

Fascinating article, thanks for posting it.  But it does go on to say:

New evidence for organics on Mars does not mean Viking found life, cautions McKay.

"Finding organics is not evidence of life or evidence of past life. It's just evidence for organics," he said.

Still, it is interesting and I'm happy to hear that this new finding has spurred an additional mission.

Pardon my ignorance, but, what exactly does that mean?
Do they mean 'carbon based'? As in an 'organic compound'? Organic chemical?

[Colonel Rhuairidh]

Please watch the whole 36 videos? At 10 minutes apiece, I make that, um


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+/- 360 minutes. Which I make as near enough 6 hours.

[booNyzarC]

Paxus, on 05 February 2011 - 08:18 PM, said:

Pardon my ignorance, but, what exactly does that mean?
Do they mean 'carbon based'? As in an 'organic compound'? Organic chemical?

Not sure Paxus, but my assumption would be that finding organics in a sample doesn't necessarily mean that the organics are native to where the sample was taken, i.e. Mars?  I guess we could try to look up information from Christopher McKay to see if clarifies his definition of 'organic' when used in this context?