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[Seeker79]

kitone1, on 26 June 2012 - 12:07 AM, said:

Enemies indeed my friend, as it should be

That is the problem with humanity isnt it. Have some eronious belief based on dogma, aply it to Somone one else and if it dosnt fit they are your enemy. Hence witches get burned, gay people bashed, and native Americans are slaughtered by the millions. Nice thinking.

[kitone1]

Seeker79, on 26 June 2012 - 06:47 AM, said:

That is the problem with humanity isnt it. Have some eronious belief based on dogma, aply it to Somone one else and if it dosnt fit they are your enemy. Hence witches get burned, gay people bashed, and native Americans are slaughtered by the millions. Nice thinking.

Umm excuse me? I was not replying to you I was replying to my most learned friend XingWi. Your opinion is neither mine nor his apparently and FYI I’m full blooded Cherokee so what are you going on about? This is not yesteryear.   I have been afforded one of the best educations in America at a big 10 university (Americas best) I worked hard for it and because of my heritage, America let me go tuition free. I have nothing bad to say about my country. You cannot speak for all Native Americans and you are only trying to flame this conversation because you are the one who is in a tiff about your opinion not being of relevance to anyone except yourself. You just keep loving shadow demons that’s your choice but do not tell me nor dare to connect Native Americans to your argument just for the sake of flaming conversations to go your way.

[lizzieboo]

kitone1, on 26 June 2012 - 08:40 PM, said:

Umm excuse me? I was not replying to you I was replying to my most learned friend XingWi. Your opinion is neither mine nor his apparently and FYI I’m full blooded Cherokee so what are you going on about? This is not yesteryear.   I have been afforded one of the best educations in America at a big 10 university (Americas best) I worked hard for it and because of my heritage, America let me go tuition free. I have nothing bad to say about my country. You cannot speak for all Native Americans and you are only trying to flame this conversation because you are the one who is in a tiff about your opinion not being of relevance to anyone except yourself. You just keep loving shadow demons that’s your choice but do not tell me nor dare to connect Native Americans to your argument just for the sake of flaming conversations to go your way.

Gee, I thought this was supposed to be a thread about each person's experiences with shadow people, yet every time someone doesn't follow the party line (and it looks like it's a party of three now), the person who dares to offer an original opinion gets bashed.

I find it very telling that the OP only complained about going off topic when the experiences being posted were different from hers. The description of this thread should contain a disclaimer: "Don't post unless you agree with me."

[kitone1]

Based on my almost 10 years of studying this phenomenon I’ve noticed there are generally two types of people making reports. Primarily those who seem to be bewildered and are new posters in forums like this and that report uniform experiences across the board; a sense of radiating negativity, an imposing sense of evil and they often feel rendered immobile in a state that is often misconstrued as sleep paralysis and they often report the presence of an amorphous mass of black mist, a semi-humanoid shape or a detailed outlined figure complete with a hat or hood.

Then we have people who seem to be obsessed with convincing others just how psychic they are and that they have had every paranormal experience imaginable and generally take a contrarian stance to what the overwhelming majority report because “they appear as a dark entity and we are just afraid of the unknown because they are dark in appearance it represents our innate fear of the unknown.”  Again the people who make the uniform reports don’t seem to have an agenda predicated on self-promotion but the ones who claim shadow entities are benevolent, curious or simply misunderstood are always full of hot air.

Edited by kitone1, 26 June 2012 - 09:30 PM.

[Seeker79]

kitone1, on 26 June 2012 - 08:40 PM, said:

Umm excuse me? I was not replying to you I was replying to my most learned friend XingWi. Your opinion is neither mine nor his apparently and FYI I’m full blooded Cherokee so what are you going on about? This is not yesteryear.   I have been afforded one of the best educations in America at a big 10 university (Americas best) I worked hard for it and because of my heritage, America let me go tuition free. I have nothing bad to say about my country. You cannot speak for all Native Americans and you are only trying to flame this conversation because you are the one who is in a tiff about your opinion not being of relevance to anyone except yourself. You just keep loving shadow demons that’s your choice but do not tell me nor dare to connect Native Americans to your argument just for the sake of flaming conversations to go your way.

Interesting. I'm speaking from my heart. Full blood you say? Well. I cannot claim that not many these days can. , but you should not assume that we are not related either

It's a forum...it's public anything you say is up for comment. If you don't like it pm  to who you want to converse with and not have others comment. I do it all the time.

I can only speak for one mixed native American

Your country was built on slavery, genocide of your ancestors, and false heroism from Christopher Columbus to Trueman... Aside from that, I'm patriotic aswell...there are some great ideals at play, but glossing over atrocity from absolute thinking is a mistake and goes against those ideals.

I'll connect anything I consider relevant thank you. I love who I choose, you can keep your dogma and fear which history has shown is the true root of evil. Not spirits.

[Seeker79]

kitone1, on 26 June 2012 - 09:28 PM, said:

Based on my almost 10 years of studying this phenomenon I’ve noticed there are generally two types of people making reports. Primarily those who seem to be bewildered and are new posters in forums like this and that report uniform experiences across the board; a sense of radiating negativity, an imposing sense of evil and they often feel rendered immobile in a state that is often misconstrued as sleep paralysis and they often report the presence of an amorphous mass of black mist, a semi-humanoid shape or a detailed outlined figure complete with a hat or hood.

Then we have people who seem to be obsessed with convincing others just how psychic they are and that they have had every paranormal experience imaginable and generally take a contrarian stance to what the overwhelming majority report because “they appear as a dark entity and we are just afraid of the unknown because they are dark in appearance it represents our innate fear of the unknown.”  Again the people who make the uniform reports don’t seem to have an agenda predicated on self-promotion but the ones who claim shadow entities are benevolent, curious or simply misunderstood are always full of hot air.

"Misconstrued as sleep paralysis?"--10 years you say? Your kidding right? I understand the parallels, but obviously for most of the experiences sleep paralysis is part of the issue, but I do agree it's just a label. An altered state is an altered state. What happens in them is far more complicated than human dogma or science can allow for. And that is an opinion based on experience.

Or just maby they know better. Possibly those that experience grow up a bit, and wish to help others in those dark places, and will stand firm against fear mongering.

Self-promotion? I don't see any links to PayPal accounts or websites from the people that have actual Experience, but yes... I will promote what I believe to be right so that at least a few people can be freed from "the sky is falling" attitude that some promote..., I can back it up aswell. I keep thank you letters from those that I manage to help. And yes i believe in pride and humility where due.

Aside from my unverifiable spirit world life, I do believe in evidence, so I collect it where possible.

In my 22 years of altered state experience, 10 years of research, and 5 of extending help, I catorgize my findings roughly as follows.

1) just as you say. Those seeking help.
2) guru like people that don't have a clue, but pretend to.
3) fear zealots ( usually not their fault. It's perfectly reasonable to be afraid. Many are indoctrinated and We are equipped with a fearful mind that kept our species alive)
4) those rare few that have walked the walk overcame the lizard brain and are skeptics of fear zealots and want others to understand what they know.
5) empirical minded people who cannot understand any of it ( except for the extremely rare number 4 that has chosen complete empiricism and is a 5 that knows but denis--only met one of those)

Many of your very ancestors worked very close with these spirits.

But what do I know... I'm an agent of shadow Muuuuuhahahaha.... Don't listen to me because I will deceive  you and turn you to the darkside muuuuuhahaha unfortunately, they have not granted me psychic powers... Trust me I have tried in the psychic readings forum...im no good. I refuse to cold read. That's probably my problem. My spirit guide advice thread did pretty good for while, but I think I was to honest for people. Thats a good way to not be a psychic for very long.

Just kidding it's a serious subject.  At the risk of appearing to self promote myself, would anyone like to see thank you letters that I have saved and have permission to share from people with these problems that have been successful at changing it around. I'm only offering because I believe in backing up my statements with real evidence where I can.

Edited by Seeker79, 27 June 2012 - 06:38 AM.

[kitone1]

My interest is in the shadow people/hatman topic not your feelings or that we may be related in some way which I highly doubt. I will not address issues that derail in to pity parties for bruised egos.  No one “glossed over” anything except a flaming comment out of the blue/off topic used to gain support for an opinion that has been stated over and over and it seems no one else cares to join in and support. The comments you both make are meant to flame and troll this topic and those who discuss it. What makes you think that PM conversations are not going on

If you are as you say a Native American mix why would you relish in tragedy of the past except to use it for your own self-promotion? Opportunities for Native Americans are vast and actually very lucrative. For me and most everyone, if not all the people of NA blood that I know the past will not dictate their future and If you had studied our world at all you would know every civilization on this planet has been built on slavery, genocide, false heroism, war and courage.


Not just my history, everyone’s history.

[kitone1]

seeker,

You seem to fit this catagoryLOL

"Then we have people who seem to be obsessed with convincing others just how psychic they are and that they have had every paranormal experience imaginable and generally take a contrarian stance to what the overwhelming majority report because “they appear as a dark entity and we are just afraid of the unknown because they are dark in appearance it represents our innate fear of the unknown.”  Again the people who make the uniform reports don’t seem to have an agenda predicated on self-promotion but the ones who claim shadow entities are benevolent, curious or simply misunderstood are always full of hot air."


Apologiesto OP

Edited by kitone1, 27 June 2012 - 06:52 AM.

[Seeker79]

kitone1, on 27 June 2012 - 06:51 AM, said:

seeker,

You seem to fit this catagoryLOL

"Then we have people who seem to be obsessed with convincing others just how psychic they are and that they have had every paranormal experience imaginable and generally take a contrarian stance to what the overwhelming majority report because “they appear as a dark entity and we are just afraid of the unknown because they are dark in appearance it represents our innate fear of the unknown.”  Again the people who make the uniform reports don’t seem to have an agenda predicated on self-promotion but the ones who claim shadow entities are benevolent, curious or simply misunderstood are always full of hot air."


Apologiesto OP

You don't know me very well, and the only one flaming, setting up strawmen, and myriad of other logical fallacies and insults is you. I am discussing shadow, and will continue to do so. Do you have something material to say that is not directed at me personally?  Put up or....

Edit: there is no trolling going on just a difference of opinion... I'm sorry you are haveing difficulty with that. It's a forum... It happens.

Edited by Seeker79, 27 June 2012 - 07:05 AM.

[kitone1]

XingWi, on 25 June 2012 - 11:51 PM, said:

i was friends with one in earlier days of my AP when i was 17 or something. mine was a female demon. she came as a spiritual guide to teach me in astral plane. although visitations by shadow demons began when i was 14 but at 17 i was more into spirituality and curious to find path to true God. and thats when she came to block my path.

remember, shadow people is very recent word. back in those days people just called them astral spirits or just demons. and you know very well that many asian cultures are very open to these demons and call them spiritual guides. so i not suspected her.

so i trusted her first and was receptive to knowledge that she gave. the knowledge was like something imprinted on your mind all of sudden. you begin to know many things that you never knew not by deriving something you already knew but a knowledge with no aparent source. she projected unconditional love and kindness from her. a love that no human being can ever give you. but it was all a deception. i still find it very strange how evil decieve by giving such quantity of pure love but the true is they not care at all they only there for recruit. it all deception. because a devil can appear as angle of light.

then i find myself in dilemma about God His existence. she was doing her job very well. her knowledge that she imprinted on my mind was mixed with subtle anti God messages. then her subtle messages about no heaven and no hell and everything astral deceive begin. the same what pagan religions by spirit communion like budhism and new age religion teach. she was very very subtle. and then messages about the coming war gog and magog whom they called people of justice. the communication also brought submliminal symbols in my mind. years later i found the same kind of subtle messages in supernatural crop circles (there are fake ones also). it is a global decieve conspiracy by lucifer army.

anyway, i was very young and curious to know about their world and i communicated with her for many many days. i agree i learned a lot from her many good things and many things about their world but the fact was she was also leading me to the false religion by lucifer. the portals to astral were opened and more visits from many other entities began. whenever i submitted to them they were kind to me whenever i was towards discovering the path to true God i was atacked. it was like they were punishing me for not following them and not listening to them.

when their decieve was clear to me and i was decide to leave she plays a final attempt. next AP she appear as a very beautiful woman and force me and put in my head to kiss her. uncontrollably i kiss her (and no i was not sexually repressed or anything; this not imagination this happened in real but in astral). this was atempt by her so i let down my guard and allow her to enter my life again. but i soon repulsed because that leave very very bad taste in my mouth the baddest you can ever imagine like pungent coal tar plus rotten flesh plus burned sulphur plus break some capsules of vitamin B into that, all that combined somthing like that. very bad taste and very very bad rotten smell. and she turned into a black mass. and then the taste carry to me in physical world. years later i find that people whom the old hag of sleep paralysis kissed also find similar bad taste in their mouth. she was not a spiritual guide she was not some beautiful astral spirit she was the old hag perhaps thousands of years old working for the disciples of lucifer. if she was a true spiritual guide she wouldnt play this game cheap. i was decieved. i still laugh whenever i remember that i was so stupid to kiss her.

anyway, i then reject them full then try discover the true path to God which turned out to be exactly opposite of what they was teaching about after life.

after that, she came once in a while in her full black form but stand on doorstep not enter. my astral body was not move whenever she came and my astral body on the floor but i managed to throw at her whatever projected thing i found and she left and then my astral body move.

there was a few failed attempts by hoodies after that but i fought them as well. thousands of years old and too much time on their hand and each human on the planet decieve by lucifer. the battle of good vs evil inside you. there are many of them surrounding all. but i never let down my guard again and never let anyone enter my life again.

sorry my friend, they and i are enemies now.

XingWi, may I ask you my friend what other kinds of entity’s came through? I hope more follow your advice and maybe save themselves a lot of problems.

[lizzieboo]

kitone1, on 26 June 2012 - 09:33 PM, said:

Again, flaming the conversation is very childish and of no value to the topic at hand. Sad to get your attention like this , I will not further your sad agenda by feeding this troll again.

Then I would suggest that you stop doing it. Pot. Kettle. Black.

[Waspie_Dwarf]

A reminder that grown up debate does not include the swapping of insults (and that includes calling each other trolls).

I would further remind people that this site is neither for believers nor sceptics, but for those of all views.

Now can we return to the topic and act like adults please?

[XingWi]

kitone1, on 27 June 2012 - 01:56 PM, said:

XingWi, may I ask you my friend what other kinds of entity’s came through? I hope more follow your advice and maybe save themselves a lot of problems.

The entities were both intelligent and non-intelligent types that you see in astral. some were in groups and some came alone.

hoodies came alone as well as with other lower shadows following their orders, then hoodies carrying huge grim dogs to attack, then once a three headed pagan deity commanding hoodies also appeared. at least twice, the hoodies also carried balls of light floating behind them that were astral energies and formed geometric patterns on walls and on dust deposits on objects.

the non-intelligent animals included snakes floating in air and once in a while spiders.

[kitone1]

XingWi, on 27 June 2012 - 09:00 PM, said:

The entities were both intelligent and non-intelligent types that you see in astral. some were in groups and some came alone.

hoodies came alone as well as with other lower shadows following their orders, then hoodies carrying huge grim dogs to attack, then once a three headed pagan deity commanding hoodies also appeared. at least twice, the hoodies also carried balls of light floating behind them that were astral energies and formed geometric patterns on walls and on dust deposits on objects.

the non-intelligent animals included snakes floating in air and once in a while spiders.

Thank you my friend. I have seen both spiders and snakes like this in dreams but it was like a lucid dream I remember every detail. There is one I have seen that did not fit the descriptions of shadow demons I wonder have you ever heard of this one,  a strange looking one tall about 7 feet, long arms and gray in color a small head out of proportion to the rest of the body. I saw him in my home not long ago. It was strange because it was daytime.

[XingWi]

lizzieboo, on 26 June 2012 - 09:11 PM, said:

yet every time someone doesn't follow the party line (and it looks like it's a party of three now)......

(if it wasn't for that attempt to depreciate the mainstream view to three i wouldnt care to respond)

humans are born with innate ability to sense danger. if you think that there are only three then perhaps you havent invested much time in reading accounts of experiencers. if you parse this thread alone you will know the ratio of those who see them malevolent vs those who see them benevolent. its mainstream vs fringe and its right in front of everyone to see.

and there are countless researchers who have spent their entire lives researching on astral demons and hold the same view. and there are young researchers gifted and very talented on whom i have high hopes that they will keep spreading the truth in future and warning humanity of this danger.

but again, if for some people this innate sense of danger is blocked or lost and yet they have chosen to ignore the warnings from others who have these senses intact then nothing can help them. but again these people cant stop those who care for humanity from warning humans from this danger either.  

the battle between good vs evil that started with the advent of man will continue till the end of our race. i wish it was only good and earth was heaven but sadly it is not so. and none of us can change this fact.

the issue of shadow people is not about curious ETs playing hide and seek with you in your home, its an issue of religion its an issue of afterlife. its an issue of choosing between two mutually exclusive sides where there are no in-betweens.

if you choose their side then you are on their side, if you choose the other side then you are on the other side, but if you choose none then you are still on their side because their agenda is to stop you from choosing the other side. if you choose them they win and if you choose none they win. and if you choose both then you are in self-deception because these are only mutually exclusive and there are no in-betweens.