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[Hazzard]

UFOs, Alien abductions, Area 51, Cattle mutilations, Crop circles, Alien structures and artifacts on the moon and Mars...

What evidence is there, and most importantly, how good is the evidence, that intelligent extraterrestrials are out there, have found Earth, and are now here doing all the things we hear about?

As believers begin to build the case about UFOs and a possible ET connection, the foundation of this is built on hear say, speculations, theories, guess work, assumptions, beliefs and emotions.

Me, personally, I do not deal in any of that (not when it comes to this) I deal in knowledge. There is a vast difference between the two. You may believe all you want, but knowledge requires a higher standard than that which propels belief.

There is no reason to get upset about it. What needs to be understood is the burden of proof that science and its method requires.

We have eyewitness testimony from people that saw something strange that they could not identify flying around, something we call a UFO, where the U stands for Unidentified,... there is nothing else attached to it.

We have lots of cool stories, weird radar returns, video clips and pictures, but that is all we have so far... We have nothing here but peoples opinions and and their belief... an idea about what these observations might represent.


To me thats not even close to enough. I need better evidence!!

Show me a peer review scientific journal that claims for a fact that ET space ships are here, and you will have my full attention. The scientific journals I have seen are only about UFOs.

I think that Steven Schafersman said it best...

I might say, however, that as an investigator of pseudo scientific topics for over twenty years my experience has taught me that the first things to suspect and look for are fraud, forgery, deception, misrepresentation, sophistry, and specious reasoning, and if these are not in evidence, I then look for illogical reasoning, self-deception, misreading, inadvertently fudged data, and willful misunderstanding.

If these are not in evidence, I then look for ignorance, innocent mistakes, misinterpretations, equipment errors, out-of-date references, overlooked results or causes, etc.

Unfortunately, ALL of these items MUST be examined FIRST when investigating any pseudo scientific topic, BEFORE one begins looking for presumed new or unusual natural phenomena. --Steven Schafersman.

Can anyone honestly say he examined and eliminated all the above items before he convinced himself that some of these UFOs are Alien star ships?

[quillius]

ding ding...round three

[Paxus]

Sorry for not having anything to contribute to this thread but I am very curious why the new thread of exact same subject matter?

[bee]

Hazzard, on 11 March 2011 - 12:10 PM, said:

Show me a peer review scientific journal that claims for a fact that ET space ships are here, and you will have my full attention. The scientific journals I have seen are only about UFOs.

If the whole subject of ET visitation is highly classified...as it is said to be...then you might be waiting

a long time for that !!!

[Hazzard]

Paxus, on 11 March 2011 - 12:15 PM, said:

I am very curious why the new thread of exact same subject matter?

Like the first BE thread, it became a monster that could not be controlled.  

[Hazzard]

bee, on 11 March 2011 - 12:19 PM, said:

If the whole subject of ET visitation is highly classified...as it is said to be...then you might be waiting

a long time for that !!!

But, but, but... What about this Full Disclosure I keep hearing about??  

[Saru]

We're continuing the "best evidence" thread here because the previous one had become too large and unmanageable, the old one can still be viewed on the forums however we'll be continuing the discussion on the best evidence for alien visitiation in this new thread instead.

[nessuna]

There's plenty of "evidence."  Ever seen the UFO/ET sections in a bookstore?

[bee]

Hazzard, on 11 March 2011 - 12:22 PM, said:

But, but, but... What about this Full Disclosure I keep hearing about??  

For full and official disclosure, the legalities of de-classifying material would have to be addressed

and sorted out. Which in itself would be a legal nightmare, I should think...maybe even requiring new laws to be made

....which would take a long time to happen?? (or even never happen)

That's why we have the drip drip drip of disclosure coming from whistleblowers who are circumventing the

security briefs they had to sign up to...?

And why there are some near to death 'confessions' or disclosure...which then comes out to the public, via other people.







edit to say...welcome to the forum nessuna...

Edited by bee, 11 March 2011 - 12:44 PM.

[Paxus]

nessuna, on 11 March 2011 - 12:27 PM, said:

There's plenty of "evidence."  Ever seen the UFO/ET sections in a bookstore?

Welcome to UM nessuna.
The issue there is that skeptics will not be swayed by that kind of evidence because it is not proof.
It's a dilemma for some. Me, personally, I don't mind that there are people who don't believe ET visits Earth. I think it's good that they are skeptical.

Here's a thing I wrote for newcomers

Edited by Paxus, 11 March 2011 - 12:47 PM.

[nessuna]

bee, on 11 March 2011 - 12:40 PM, said:

For full and official disclosure, the legalities of de-classifying material would have to be addressed

and sorted out. Which in itself would be a legal nightmare, I should think...maybe even requiring new laws to be made

....which would take a long time to happen?? (or even never happen)

That's why we have the drip drip drip of disclosure coming from whistleblowers who are circumventing the

security briefs they had to sign up to...?

And why there are some near to death 'confessions' or disclosure...which then comes out to the public, via other people.







edit to say...welcome to the forum nessuna...

Thanks!
I basically jumped on the first thing I saw.  I have a lot of opinions and don't mind expressing them.  

[bee]

nessuna, on 11 March 2011 - 12:48 PM, said:

Thanks!
I basically jumped on the first thing I saw.  I have a lot of opinions and don't mind expressing them.  

you're in the right place then....   

I think you will enjoy the UM forum

[nessuna]

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Welcome to UM nessuna.
The issue there is that skeptics will not be swayed by that kind of evidence because it is not proof.
It's a dilemma for some. Me, personally, I don't mind that there are people who don't believe ET visits Earth. I think it's good that they are skeptical.

Thank you.
I'm pretty skeptical about ET visitations, but not so much about UFO's.  So I guess that puts me somewhere in between.

[Hazzard]

nessuna, on 11 March 2011 - 01:02 PM, said:

I'm pretty skeptical about ET visitations, but not so much about UFO's.  So I guess that puts me somewhere in between.

Actually, no it doesnt.

A UFO (we all know they exist) where the U stands for Unidentified, is just that... there is nothing else attached to it.

Read Paxus link... http://www.unexplain...showentry=23141

Edited by Hazzard, 11 March 2011 - 01:08 PM.

[bee]

I thought that this statement made by Jacques Vallee at the recent Competitiveness Forum Conference was dynamite !!!!

see Karl's thread here... http://www.unexplain...howtopic=201881





(at 7:30)


"......we have started to look at residue from these cases...there are a number

of cases where we have metalic residue that has been analysed and we are beginning

to understand why it would make sense for an advanced technology to use these

particular metals in that particular combination"


Confirmation that there is residue/debris from UFO cases..?

Now I wonder what cases these are?

One in particular, maybe....lol....