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#2161    Czero 101

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Posted 22 April 2011 - 07:29 PM

View Postbadeskov, on 22 April 2011 - 04:07 PM, said:

That said, I have truly enjoyed the discussion here during my lurking (sorry, I tried, but I simply don't have the patience to type out long posts on my phone - Czero, you are my hero in that respect; I admire your patience).

View PostbooNyzarC, on 22 April 2011 - 04:13 PM, said:

Yes bade, I don't know how he does it with that phone either.  I'd be lost without my computer. :lol:

Thanks for the kind words, but I have to let you know that I've been back on a laptop (resurrected old laptop while I wait til I can get new laptop fixed) for a little while now. I do still post from my iPhone occasionally, but if its a long post with pictures, long quotes and coloured links etc., chances are it was done on my laptop.

That said, the old laptop I'm using is on its last legs, so I might be back to only my iPhone sooner than I want...  :cry:




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Posted 22 April 2011 - 08:38 PM

View PostbooNyzarC, on 22 April 2011 - 04:13 PM, said:

Yes bade, I don't know how he does it with that phone either.  I'd be lost without my computer. :lol:



I don't think that Dorothy's Oz is quite the same place... ;)

Yes, back on those videos.  Will probably remain so for some time unless a certain bird miraculously realizes how futile his arguments are.  What is your take on the analysis and discussion about them? (Aside from disdain... :P )
Ugh, I hate that movie BooNy.

I'm at the point where all I can feel is disdain, however before I felt that way, I leaned toward the belief that they were unexplained.  After reading all the discussions in the previous threads it does seem to me that they were flares.  I think a lot of the time, my hopes in finding that one case overrides my senses and I want so badly to have the proof I tend to not look at the kinds of things you lovely people point out to me.  Then you guys open my eyes to the obvious and I'm forced to notice the things which I'd ignored prior.  For that I commend and hate you all the same. ^_^   Why can't you brilliant minds just give me one huh? ;)   All I need is one people and you get all sciency on me. :P   Anyway, that said I think you guys are awesome and I envy your ability to find those little things that many of us don't think to see.

As far as Skyeagle, you guys don't have to respond if you feel you've made your point.  

I think we should go back and attempt to discuss the cases brought forth that we can't explain.  Czero and LS, what cases have you wondering?  Sorry If you've already posted them. Boon, I already know yours, but let's discuss some of those maybe.

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Posted 22 April 2011 - 11:16 PM

View PostbooNyzarC, on 22 April 2011 - 02:43 PM, said:

I don't know why I bother...


Plenty of people from in and around Phoenix would have been able to see the flares that were dropped over the BGR.

Not from down in the valley, nor main city area below where thousands of people also watched the lights overhead. Once again, have you ever been to Phoenix? And once again, those lights are not indicative of flares and those who have seen flares before, and saw those lights, have said the same thing as well.

Edited by skyeagle409, 22 April 2011 - 11:47 PM.

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Posted 22 April 2011 - 11:30 PM

View Postlost_shaman, on 22 April 2011 - 06:36 AM, said:

And you've accounted for the curvature of Earth by doing what?

Ignoring it. That's impressive.

I haven't ignored it at all, and in fact, I pointed out the fact that you can hardly see the top of a 1400-foot building from 50 miles away, which is why I posted the link to the Chicago skyline. The Earth's curvature played a prt in that photo and I am very aware of the curvature of the Earth and long distance,and even short distances as well, and an example can be found in regards to the curvature of the Earth and the Golden Gate bridge in San Francisco  and its two towers.


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Not only that but this photo is meaningless. If you think there is something to see then spell it out so it can be checked and confirmed, or not.

On the contrary, it is RIGHT ON THE MARK, and  do you know why? Place a 3000-foot mountain between the camera and Chicago. Bascially, the view from down in the City of Phoenix to the BGR with a mountain between the two,and all of this time you have been focusing on the location of the video and even from the location of the video, there is no way those lights were flares from the BGR.

And, there were very good reasons why I provided you with the elevations of the City of Phoenix, and of the BGR.

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Posted 22 April 2011 - 11:41 PM

View PostSlave2Fate, on 22 April 2011 - 03:25 PM, said:

Depends on if you're buying or selling. :devil:

BTW, I've just been lurking lately but I would like to express my admiration for some of the posters here, LS, booN, Cz, Peri, psyche. Great stuff fellas, keep it up. :tsu:

I wished I had the money to send them all to Phoenix so they can confirm for us all, why flares over the BGR  cannot be seen from where many of its citizens saw the lights in the sky. Besides, it has now been confirmed that the lights were NOT flares, but then again, I told them before those lighs were not indicative of flares, nor could they even been seen where many of the folks watched the lights overheard.

And, there were primary reasons why the Air Force could not produce any operational, after action reports for flare drop operations over the BGR when requested. That was a major hint right there that there were no flare drops at the time of the sightings!!

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Posted 22 April 2011 - 11:44 PM

View Postskyeagle409, on 22 April 2011 - 11:16 PM, said:

Not from down in the valley, nor main city area below whre thousands of people also watched the lights overhead. Once again, have you ever been to Phoenix? And once again, those lights are not indicative of flares.
Are you ever planning to produce data and evidence to back up your conjecture?  Or just more blah blah blah I'M RIGHT ON THE MONEY BECAUSE I CAN CONNECT THE DOTS AND READ BETWEEN THE LINES blah blah blah?  So far you haven't produced anything but a lot of unsubstantiated beliefs.

I appreciate the comic relief, but seriously sky...  put up or shut up. :hmm:


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Posted 23 April 2011 - 12:00 AM

View PostbooNyzarC, on 22 April 2011 - 11:44 PM, said:

Are you ever planning to produce data and evidence to back up your conjecture?  Or just more blah blah blah I'M RIGHT ON THE MONEY BECAUSE I CAN CONNECT THE DOTS AND READ BETWEEN THE LINES blah blah blah?  So far you haven't produced anything but a lot of unsubstantiated beliefs.

I appreciate the comic relief, but seriously sky...  put up or shut up. :hmm:

You know, that photo of Chicago was just one of a few hints, but it seems that there are those who just cannot see the light, or should I say, lights. Were you even aware that Native Americans living in the Gila Bend Indian Reservation, which is located in a basin between South Mountain and the Estrella Mountain ranges, saw the lights on March 13 right above their heads? They didn't say anythng about flares either. Do you know why?

I guess not since you still thought that the lights were flares over the BGR, but I provided you with several reasons why they were not flares, and you should have took another hint when even the former governor of Arizona dismissed flares as well, and he too, has served in the Air Force.

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 12:05 AM

View PostbooNyzarC, on 22 April 2011 - 11:44 PM, said:

I appreciate the comic relief, but seriously sky...  put up or shut up. :hmm:

I have enjoyed it as well, as I get the last laugh out of this one and those who laugh last, laughs best.

I haven't even revealed the rest of the story yet, but I have told you already that it has been confirmed that those lights were not flares,  and you should have taken that message as a hint. Not playing games, here, but to highlight where skeptics fall short when they don't bother to do their homework properly when they do. And other hints I was handing out aware the photo of Chicago from 50 miles away, the elevations of the City of Phoenix and the BGR,  the side profile depiction between the City of Phoenix and the BGR, and still, the skeptics could not make any connections, and instead, posted a bunch of numbers that just didn't fit if you had been to Phoenix..

I might also add that flaws were found in Maccabee's investigative report, which was of no surprise to me because I have been to Phoenix many times before to see that he was off the mark.

More at 11.

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 12:09 AM

View Postskyeagle409, on 23 April 2011 - 12:00 AM, said:

You know, that photo of Chicago was just one of a few hints, but it seems that there are those who just cannot see the light, or should I say, lights. Were you even aware that Native Americans living in the Gila Bend Indian Reservation, which is located in a basin between South Mountain and the Estrella Mountain ranges, saw the lights on March 13 right above their heads? They didn't say anythng about flares either. Do you know why?

I guess not since you still thought that the lights were flares over the BGR, but I provided you with several reasons why they were not flares, and you should have took another hint when even the former governor of Arizona dismissed flares as well, and he too, has served in the Air Force.

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In all honesty skyeagle, you can take your hints and carefully place them into a dark personal place.  Your hints are simply subterfuge.  You don't have any answers and you are stalling.  You don't have any data and you are presenting a mirage that you hope will suffice.  You don't have anything at all; except unsubstantiated belief and passť colloquialisms.

I'm assuming anyway, because that is all you have given us about this case.  Do you have anything of substance?


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Posted 23 April 2011 - 12:14 AM

View Postskyeagle409, on 23 April 2011 - 12:05 AM, said:

I have enjoyed it as well, as I get the last laugh out of this one and I haven't even revealed the rest of the story yet, but I did tell you already that it has confirmed that those lights were not flares, and you should have taken that as a hint. Not playing games, but to highlight where skeptics fall short when they don't bother to do their homework properly when they do.

More at 11.
If you can prove that these weren't flares, I'll happily accept it.  That is the way evidence works with open minded and honest people.  If you can present evidence which is compelling and convincing, I will accept it.  Continue to produce absolutely nothing but ridiculous games (yes, despite your objections, games.  That is all you are producing... GAMES.) and I will continue to point out your foolishness.


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Posted 23 April 2011 - 12:19 AM

Symington: I saw a UFO in the Arizona sky

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In 1997, during my second term as governor of Arizona, I saw something that defied logic and challenged my reality. I witnessed a massive delta-shaped, craft silently navigate over Squaw Peak, a mountain range in Phoenix, Arizona. It was truly breathtaking. I was absolutely stunned because I was turning to the west looking for the distant Phoenix Lights. To my astonishment this apparition appeared; this dramatically large, very distinctive leading edge with some enormous lights was traveling through the Arizona sky.

As a pilot and a former Air Force Officer, I can definitively say that this craft did not resemble any man-made object I'd ever seen. And it was certainly not high-altitude flares because flares don't fly in formation.

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 12:23 AM

View PostbooNyzarC, on 23 April 2011 - 12:09 AM, said:

In all honesty skyeagle, you can take your hints and carefully place them into a dark personal place.


How amusing that not one skeptic has been able to connect any dots despite the number of hints, which have already been verifed.

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 12:26 AM

View Postskyeagle409, on 23 April 2011 - 12:19 AM, said:

Symington: I saw a UFO in the Arizona sky

AVIATION SAFETY
November 09, 2007

By Fife Symington Special to CNN

In 1997, during my second term as governor of Arizona, I saw something that defied logic and challenged my reality. I witnessed a massive delta-shaped, craft silently navigate over Squaw Peak, a mountain range in Phoenix, Arizona. It was truly breathtaking. I was absolutely stunned because I was turning to the west looking for the distant Phoenix Lights. To my astonishment this apparition appeared; this dramatically large, very distinctive leading edge with some enormous lights was traveling through the Arizona sky.

As a pilot and a former Air Force Officer, I can definitively say that this craft did not resemble any man-made object I'd ever seen. And it was certainly not high-altitude flares because flares don't fly in formation.

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Come on Sky, are you being purposely misleading or did you honestly not know?

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There were two distinct events involved in the incident: a triangular formation of lights seen to pass over the state, and a series of stationary lights seen in the Phoenix area. The United States Air Force identified the second group of lights as flares dropped by A-10 Warthog aircraft that were on training exercises at the Barry Goldwater Range in southwest Arizona.


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There were two (or more, considering the testimonies) separate incidents, the 'flares' are not the same as the triangle shaped lights that were seen. Why do you persist in confusing the two?

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 12:30 AM

View Postskyeagle409, on 23 April 2011 - 12:23 AM, said:

How amusing that not one skeptic has been able to connect any dots despite the number of hints, which have already been verifed.
If you are talking about the Fife Symington stuff, we are discussing different events.  Tell me skyeagle...  what time was good ol' Fife's sighting?  And what time were the flare videos we've been discussing filmed?



View PostSlave2Fate, on 23 April 2011 - 12:26 AM, said:

Come on Sky, are you being purposely misleading or did you honestly not know?



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There were two (or more, considering the testimonies) separate incidents, the 'flares' are not the same as the triangle shaped lights that were seen. Why do you persist in confusing the two?
He knows.  He is just doing his thing by trying to confuse the matter like when he kept on about the MacArthur quote long after he was proven wrong.  Pretty sad that a grown man can't just admit when he is wrong and move on to more productive things.


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Posted 23 April 2011 - 12:30 AM

View PostbooNyzarC, on 23 April 2011 - 12:14 AM, said:

If you can prove that these weren't flares, I'll happily accept it.


I already have, but it seems that there were very important hints that were definitely ignored..

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