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[Czero 101]

Skyeagle... in case you missed this earlier:

Czero 101, on 06 June 2011 - 07:22 PM, said:

skyeagle409, on 06 June 2011 - 07:18 PM, said:

That comment was in addtion to meeting with Mayor Lauro, and another reason why the Snopes article refuses to  label General MacArthur's 1955 comment as false, and and  the article did say that General MacArthur did in fact, make "Interplanetary" comments, in 1955 and again, in 1962.

You can read the Snopes comment at the end of its article on General MacArthur's meeting with Mayor Lauro from the link that has been posted.

The New York Times didn't make up those comments attributed to General MacArthur in 1955, and his comment was similar to what he told the cadets at the Academy in 1962.

So shall that be consider a "Yes" to the question...?

Czero 101, on 06 June 2011 - 06:34 PM, said:

Is it your contention that the following statement attributed to MacArthur was published in the October 8, 1955 edition of the New York Times in an article concerning his visit with Mayor Lauro of Naples:

"The nations of the world will have to unite for the next war will be an inter-planetary war... The nations of the Earth must someday make a common front against attack by people from other planets..."


Please answer only "Yes" or "No"

Cz

Edited by Czero 101, 07 June 2011 - 06:40 AM.

[skyeagle409]

The Religious Hoax, on 06 June 2011 - 07:11 PM, said:

Yo Sky.  I have enjoyed reading some of your posts in the past.  But I feel you may be damaging the perception about us believers by continuing this charade.

Aquatus doesn't poke his/her nose in many threads, but he/she called you out on your rambling and avoidance of questions.  You should probably cut bait at this point

I'm not trying to be a dick, but us believers tend to get lumped in to groups, and this is the sort of stuff they point to.

I understand where you are coming from, however, I  have been the target of direct personal attacks from the skeptics. I have been trying to point out to the skeptics that the Phoenix Lights had nothing to do with flares from 50 miles away. I have seen flares in Vietnam from 25-30 miles away and they were nothing visually that was seen over Phoenix. I pointed out the spacing between the lights and another ract was the alignment of thode lights that pointed away from falres as well. Air flows at altitude vary to some extent even within a  hundred feet and that is why flares do not main precise alignment.

I tried ot get the skeptics to see that, but, they dismiss the facts.

In regards to General MacArthur, I posted multiple sources where MacArthur spoke the words as prublished by the New York Timesin October 1955. It was no secret what Mayor Lauro had said in regards to MacArthur's "Interplanetary statement in 1955, but I guess there were those who thought that there were no nespaper reporters in the whole world who would  think to question General MacArthur afterward in order for him to clarify the Mayor's statement.

I might also add that General Douglas MacArthur has been connected to the U.S. Army's Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit, whose existence the Army has finally admitted too.

My link






I have known about the Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit for many years now, and I have heard that the files were turned over to the Air Force from the Army and filed away at Bolling AFB, Washington D.C.

I was billeted at Bolling AFB during my TDY at Andrews AFB, MD. in April 1992, and was y aware where the files were taken, which was at the Intelligence building a couple of blocks from my billeting building. I visited that building once, but was under no illusion that I would get my hands on the IPU's files because they remain classified to this very day,  and besides, I knew that  I had no proper security clearance  to view those files anyway..

General Douglas MacArthur became a part of the Army's Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit, but, he was not the head of the unit. General MacArthur also became involved in a number of UFO reports during World War II and it  has been reported that MacArthur has seen UFOs over Clark field, Philippines during the war, but I cannot verify that, but I have been aware that MacArthur became a believer based on what was occurring over the Pacific during the war.

I love military history and many people are not aware that General MacArthur was more deeply involved in UFOs than anyone would  have thought. Many of MacArthur's UFO reports during the war remain classified to this very day, so it was of no surprise to me that MacArthur's comments in 1955 and 1962 were of Interplanetary beings.

[Czero 101]

skyeagle409, on 07 June 2011 - 07:10 AM, said:

In regards to General MacArthur, I posted multiple sources where MacArthur spoke the words as prublished by the New York Timesin October 1955. It was no secret what Mayor Lauro had said in regards to MacArthur's "Interplanetary statement in 1955, but I guess there were those who thought that there were no nespaper reporters in the whole world who would  think to question General MacArthur afterward in order for him to clarify the Mayor's statement.

So are you now claiming that the New York Times article from October 8, 1955 contains a "follow-up interview" of sorts with Gen. MacArthur...?



Cz

[lost_shaman]

skyeagle409, on 07 June 2011 - 07:10 AM, said:

I pointed out the spacing between the lights and another ract was the alignment of thode lights that pointed away from falres as well. Air flows at altitude vary to some extent even within a  hundred feet and that is why flares do not main precise alignment.

No you showed a photo of Flares that were not Luu2 Flares that were fired over a target by howitzer and you knew that good and well all along because it was stated in the link that you copy/pasted here.

Also I've explained to you that even a hundred feet would not be noticible at those distances we've discussed.

skyeagle409, on 07 June 2011 - 07:10 AM, said:

I tried ot get the skeptics to see that, but, they dismiss the facts.

Clearly it's been yourself ignoring FACTs this entire time. Your Fan Club is also on the verge of following you off that proverbial cliff. That's something I wouldn't mind helping to avoid.

[psyche101]

skyeagle409, on 07 June 2011 - 06:17 AM, said:

The skeptics have no real nformation, and instead, they resort to personal attack upon those who do not see things their way.

I feel that I must inform you that Math is indeed the best form of validation, and we saw how you went there didn't we?

There is no personal attack. This is a public forum. You get what you give.

[psyche101]

747400, on 07 June 2011 - 06:34 AM, said:

I'm bored with it for the reasons that I elucidated; viz., that the arguments just go round and round and round and round.  I'm beginning to feel sorry for Sky too. Although whatever anyone says to him just rolls of his back like a duck*, and I rather admire that stolidity to be honest with you. Although I doubt, frankly, that anyone unconvinced would be persuaded by the arguments put forward in favour of extraterrestrial visitation. We may have learned an awful lot about RADAR and FLARES, but aren't those all incidental to the extraterrestrial phenomenon?

*i'll give that analogy some work and get back to you

It is a big forum, perhaps avoiding the odd thread that displeases you might be a better way to go rather than complain about it?
You really feel sorry when he created the animosity himself?
I would put forth in that case that all of Skys appeals to authority are incidental to the extraterrestrial phenomenon. It hurts it not helps it. How many times can one seriously debate math with a happy snap or yarns about a day jaunt to Phoenix?

Edited by psyche101, 07 June 2011 - 07:33 AM.

[skyeagle409]

lost_shaman, on 07 June 2011 - 07:27 AM, said:

No you showed a photo of Flares that were not Luu2 Flares that were fired over a target by howitzer and you knew that good and well all along because it was stated in the link that you copy/pasted here.

Also I've explained to you that even a hundred feet would not be noticible at those distances we've discussed.

Clearly it's been yourself ignoring FACTs this entire time. Your Fan Club is also on the verge of following you off that proverbial cliff. That's something I wouldn't mind helping to avoid.

The spacing alone was proof that those lights were not flares dropped from aircraft  from 50+ miles away. I have noted what flares would look like from 50 miles away and that based on my observations of flares drops from 35-30 miles away .

Edited by skyeagle409, 07 June 2011 - 07:43 AM.

[skyeagle409]

psyche101, on 07 June 2011 - 07:27 AM, said:

I feel that I must inform you that Math is indeed the best form of validation, and we saw how you went there didn't we?

There is no personal attack. This is a public forum. You get what you give.

Doesn't fly.

[skyeagle409]

Czero 101, on 07 June 2011 - 07:22 AM, said:

So are you now claiming that the New York Times article from October 8, 1955 contains a "follow-up interview" of sorts with Gen. MacArthur...?
Cz

You are now  aware of what Mayor Lauro has said in regards to MacArthur's interplanetary remarks to him. If you were a reporter, don't you  think that based on Mayor' Lauro's comments,  you would interview General MacArthur for clarification regarding Mayor Lauro's comments about him?

[Czero 101]

skyeagle409, on 07 June 2011 - 07:40 AM, said:

You are now  aware of what Mayor Lauro has said in regards to MacArthur's interplanetary remarks to him. If you were a reporter, don't you  think that based on Mayor' Lauro's comments,  you would interview General MacArthur for clarification regarding Mayor Lauro's comments about him?

It doesn't matter what I think or what I would do.

It doesn't matter what you think or what you would do.

It only matters what can be proven.

For 5 years now (on here anyway... and yes, I searched) you have been claiming that the October 8 1955 New York Times article contained the following quote attributed to Gen. MacArthur:

"The nations of the world will have to unite, for the next war will be an interplanetary war."

Is that still your position, yes or no...?



Cz

Edited by Czero 101, 07 June 2011 - 07:45 AM.

[skyeagle409]

[I would put forth in that case that all of Skys appeals to authority are incidental to the extraterrestrial phenomenon. It hurts it not helps it. How many times can one seriously debate math with a happy snap or yarns about a day jaunt to Phoenix?
[/quote]

I have been to Phoenix  many times and have seen countless flare drops in Vietnam, which is why I have told the skeptics that they are incorrect. I

say so from experience, whereas, skeptics have have no such experience, which places them at a disadvantage when I t ell them that they are wrong..

[lost_shaman]

skyeagle409, on 07 June 2011 - 07:35 AM, said:

The spacing alone was proof that those lights were not flares dropped from aircraft  from 50+ miles away.

You are wrong, the video shows what is absolutely consistent with an Aircraft popping off Flares at these distanes every ~8 seconds as easily timed while traveling above the A-10's stall speed. This works out to something like 2600 to 2700 ft of seperation of the Flares.

[skyeagle409]

Czero 101, on 07 June 2011 - 07:44 AM, said:

It doesn't matter what I think or what I would do.

it is all very simple. I know much more about General MacArthur's UFO experience and involvments than you do.

[Czero 101]

skyeagle409, on 07 June 2011 - 07:46 AM, said:

[I would put forth in that case that all of Skys appeals to authority are incidental to the extraterrestrial phenomenon. It hurts it not helps it. How many times can one seriously debate math with a happy snap or yarns about a day jaunt to Phoenix?


I have been to Phoenix  many times and have seen countless flare drops in Vietnam, which is why I have told the skeptics that they are incorrect. I

say so from experience, whereas, skeptics have have no such experience, which places them at a disadvantage when I t ell them that they are wrong..

There's a BIG difference between TELLING someone something and PROVING something to someone.

You are very good at the former, but you appear to be totally incompetent at the latter.

You tell a mediocre story, but you have proven nothing.



Cz

[Czero 101]

skyeagle409, on 07 June 2011 - 07:49 AM, said:

it is all very simple. I know much more about General MacArthur's UFO experience and involvments than you do.

That's still not an answer to my question.

Your pathetic appeals to authority amount to bupkis. Answer the question put to you.

For 5 years now (on here anyway... and yes, I searched) you have been claiming that the October 8 1955 New York Times article contained the following quote attributed to Gen. MacArthur:

"The nations of the world will have to unite, for the next war will be an interplanetary war."

Is that still your position, yes or no...?



Cz