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'Warlock' alowed to break curfew on full moon


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#16    NavyDoc

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Posted 01 June 2011 - 12:02 PM

View PostWyrdlight, on 01 June 2011 - 10:04 AM, said:

Wait, so Sikhs are alowed to carry thier little curved blades, but Wiccans are not?

Seems highly one sided to me.

The law in the UK states.

"Any Fixed blade or non-fixed blade with a lnegth in excess of three inches is automaticly considered an offensive weapon unless the defendant can prove otherwise".

Essentially, a fixed blade, or non-fixed blade greater than 3 inches is assumed to be "offensive" and you will be arrested if found carrying one unless you can prove you have a legitimate reason for carrying it.  Any non-fixed blade under 3 inches, like the smaller swiss army knife for example is NOT assumed to be an offensive weapon, and you can only be arrested if using it in an offensive manner, or in conjunction with anything that effects your state of mind like drink or drugs.

Now one could take the view that the mans faith legitimises his carrying of a fixed blade, its dodgy ground though.


Even better: change the law so that people are not charged with carrying an inanimate object, but rather for what they do with said object. If the knife is in his pocket and he is not bothering anyone, he should be left alone.


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Posted 01 June 2011 - 04:01 PM

View PostNavyDoc, on 01 June 2011 - 12:02 PM, said:

Even better: change the law so that people are not charged with carrying an inanimate object, but rather for what they do with said object. If the knife is in his pocket and he is not bothering anyone, he should be left alone.


Well, there are issues with that.

With that rule I could walk around with a sawn off shotgun in my jacket and as long as I did not point it at anyone its fine.  The law as it stands is fine, its just how its interpreted by the police thats wrong in many cases.

In truth, there is no need whatsoever to carry are large knife around unless its needed by your job, your gardening, camping etc.  Any job that needs a blade in todays world (barring certain situation like i mentioned) can be met with a small 2 inch folding blade, which does not contravene Brtish law.


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Posted 01 June 2011 - 09:14 PM

View PostWyrdlight, on 01 June 2011 - 04:01 PM, said:

Well, there are issues with that.

With that rule I could walk around with a sawn off shotgun in my jacket and as long as I did not point it at anyone its fine.  The law as it stands is fine, its just how its interpreted by the police thats wrong in many cases.

In truth, there is no need whatsoever to carry are large knife around unless its needed by your job, your gardening, camping etc.  Any job that needs a blade in todays world (barring certain situation like i mentioned) can be met with a small 2 inch folding blade, which does not contravene Brtish law.

Shrug. I think British law has erred too far on the side of blaming the object and into more of a bliss-ninny land. How much more dangerous is a 3 inch blade than a 2 inch blade? What makes a 2 inched fixed blade more dangerous than a 2 inch folder?

And notice, all of those laws have not prevented knife deaths, which is why they keep asking for more knife laws.

I am liscensed to carry a pistol every day and not once has it fired itself.


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Posted 01 June 2011 - 09:45 PM

View PostNavyDoc, on 01 June 2011 - 09:14 PM, said:

Shrug. I think British law has erred too far on the side of blaming the object and into more of a bliss-ninny land. How much more dangerous is a 3 inch blade than a 2 inch blade? What makes a 2 inched fixed blade more dangerous than a 2 inch folder?

And notice, all of those laws have not prevented knife deaths, which is why they keep asking for more knife laws.

I am liscensed to carry a pistol every day and not once has it fired itself.


A 2 inch blade is less dangerous because three inches of penetration are needed to reach vital organs and kill in a single stirke (barring a stab to the throat that hits the artery).

Thus the 3 inch law.

Folding blades (or non-fixed blade to be more precise) are considerd less dangerous as they fold back easily under a stabbing motion, thus being dangerous the an attackers hands.  Also non-locking blades are not made beyond a certain size in accordance with the 3 inch rule.

Going on thise lines, I could carry a canister of VX Nerve Agent around in my pocket and it never goes off, if it did it may well wipe out every living thing in a quater mile radius, but hey! it wont ever happen right?

I dont think members of the public should be allowed to carry the means to wipe out half a dozen people in as many seconds.  Sure YOU might be a perfectly responisble gun owner, but not everyone is.  I shudder to think what would happen if firearms were more freely availble in the UK, my part of south london is plagued with drunken fights, muggins and stabbings.  If guns were more common we would be ankle deep in gun-shot teenagers.

If the worst a drunk guy in a bar can do is bottle somone, its OK, after all, the over dude can grab a bottle himself, if they each had guns, or machete's Friday nights would be a bloodbath.

There is nothing wrong with our laws in principle, just the way in which they are enforced.


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Posted 16 February 2012 - 07:59 PM

Although the word warlock was used often in the article, the gentlman in question did not apparently refer to himself as such. Just more ignorant and lazy journalism.





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