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#1    dazdillinjah

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Posted 05 April 2011 - 09:16 AM

This is the very best UFO documentary Ive seen ..better than Beyond the blue ..and must be the very best evidence




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Posted 05 April 2011 - 02:20 PM

Cool, I'll have to check this out after work today or tomorrow.  Thanks Daz! :tu:


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Posted 05 April 2011 - 02:40 PM

View PostbooNyzarC, on 05 April 2011 - 02:20 PM, said:

Cool, I'll have to check this out after work today or tomorrow.  Thanks Daz! :tu:
I haven't watched the entire video, just scanned through it, but it seems to be mainly about the "Majestic 12" documents, with some Roswell stuff, good old Stanton Friedman (naturally) and even Edgar Mitchell thrown in for good measure.

Nothing really new or groundbreaking here, that I can see anyway.




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Posted 05 April 2011 - 03:45 PM

Thanks for the heads up Cz.  I'm a sucker for these videos though, so I'm sure I'll watch it.


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Posted 05 April 2011 - 07:01 PM

View PostCzero 101, on 05 April 2011 - 02:40 PM, said:

I haven't watched the entire video, just scanned through it, but it seems to be mainly about the "Majestic 12" documents, with some Roswell stuff, good old Stanton Friedman (naturally) and even Edgar Mitchell thrown in for good measure.

Nothing really new or groundbreaking here, that I can see anyway.




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Well the documents they showed regarding the UFO crashes in 1941 & 1942 were new to me ..plus the way they tested the documents they had to prove authenticity really impressed me. Basically by the time of Roswell there was a protocol in place to keep any & all real UFO incidents suppressed and yet allow mis-identifications & obvious hoaxes make headlines. Honestly its a must watch, because people should take the time to see and hear the story being told.


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Posted 06 April 2011 - 10:07 AM

This documentary is pretty much a rehash of old information (or disinformation, most likely.)

It seems the documentary hinges on the authenticity of the so-called Majestic Twelve documents, which is a pretty flimsy basis already.

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One of the original MJ-12 documents released by Moore and his two partners (UFO lecturer Stanton Friedman and TV producer Jaime Shandera) purported to be a memo from President Truman to Defense Secretary James Forrestal, dated September 24, 1947, which authorized the creation of the MJ-12 group. My investigation revealed that the Truman signature was a pasted-on photocopy of a genuine signature-including accidental scratch marks-from a memo that Truman wrote to Vannevar Bush on October 1, 1947 (see “New evidence of MJ-12 hoax,” SI 14[2], Winter 1990).

(Bolding is mine for emphasis.)

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Bogus majestic-12 documents

Edited by someoldguy, 06 April 2011 - 10:08 AM.

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Posted 06 April 2011 - 01:57 PM

Yes its another re-hash of all the stuff we have all seen before,But Its at least more of the Same-o-Same-o !
Now If we could get the Really Good stuff outta WPAFB.

Remember what "Carl Segan" said.
quote:On the day that we do discover that we are not alone,our society may begin to evolve and
transform in some incredible and Wondrous new Ways !
I cant Wait !

Edited by DONTEATUS, 06 April 2011 - 02:47 PM.

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Posted 06 April 2011 - 08:06 PM

We do know that there was a joint intelligence committee that received high quality UFO evidence, including reports of landings, contacts and crashes.  Whether it was really called MJ-12 or not is another story, but such a committee existed and probably still does.

Navy Commander Graham Bethune, who say a UFO in 1951, was informed that reports were sent to a committee like that.





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Posted 06 April 2011 - 08:15 PM

Bethune's UFO also cuased electro-magnetic effects, which is very common.  That psychiatrist on the plane was quite a skeptic for sure, because he actually had the great privilege of seeing a saucer that was as clearly as out of this world as anything could be, but he STILL didn't believe it!



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Posted 06 April 2011 - 08:25 PM

Asb Bethune told Timothy Good in his book "Need to Know", a naval intelligence officer visited him at home and showed him a picture book of different UFOs,a nd asked him which ones were like his saucer.  I've heard about things like this before, too, intelligence officers in the military and CIA who show up with books like these.  

Hed also told Bethune that the best reports went to a 12-member intelligence committee, although he did not call it Majestic or MJ-12, only that such a committee existed.

My linkhttp://books.google.com/books?id=Tqu7764c2cQC&pg=PA143&lpg=PA143&dq=graham+bethune+ufo+report&source=bl&ots=fL8Y0sACli&sig=8WWAzcI7LzVohYpIGIrvzrf9h68&hl=en&ei=wcqcTd79L5Sbtwfm1ZS9Bw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10&ved=0CFAQ6AEwCTgK#v=onepage&q=graham%20bethune%20ufo%20report&f=false

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Posted 06 April 2011 - 09:28 PM

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We do know that there was a joint intelligence committee that received high quality UFO evidence, including reports of landings, contacts and crashes. Whether it was really called MJ-12 or not is another story, but such a committee existed and probably still does.

I have no doubt that there isn't some kind of government committee to study UFO evidence, even now. And MJ-12 may have been/may be the name of the group.  But as far as I'm concerned, those responsible for this "documentary" have been "busted" by fabricating evidence.  This type of yellow journalism accomplishes nothing but to create just as much deceit and disinformation as they claim the government has been doing.  What a bunch of hypocrites!  
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Posted 06 April 2011 - 09:35 PM

View Postsomeoldguy, on 06 April 2011 - 10:07 AM, said:

This documentary is pretty much a rehash of old information (or disinformation, most likely.)

It seems the documentary hinges on the authenticity of the so-called Majestic Twelve documents, which is a pretty flimsy basis already.



(Bolding is mine for emphasis.)

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Bogus majestic-12 documents

Not really the link you have provided makes no mention of the document shown in the documentary regarding the Battle of LA 1942 & regarding the alleged 1941 UFO crash in Missouri which was also supported by documented evidence all the link you have shown mentions of it is this --> "(One of Cooper’s documents claims a crashed saucer was recovered in the spring of 1941 near Cape Girardeau, Missouri, six years before the alleged Roswell Incident. If true, the Eisenhower Briefing Document completely forgot to mention this historic event.)" & as was clearly emphasised in the documentary, by 1947 the US Government had enough experience with the phenomenon to 'at this stage (1947)' cover up any real UFO incidents & only allow mis-identified UFO's and hoaxes to make the news & Eisenhower wasnt President until about 1953

And also the documentary explains the methodology used to verify these documents & explains & shows them ..the link is basically a recounted story, we dont see any procedures etc used for the links conclusions

Im a little busy right now to go through the documentary again but I will do it soon & copy pictures of the documents (re: 1941 & 1942) plus some if theyre useful of the authenticating process (though those processes really need to be seen alongside the commentary)

And lets hope this continues what so far is a very good discussion of this documentary


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Posted 06 April 2011 - 09:38 PM

Oh & btw ..its fine for this topic to be merged into the Bosses topic of same title


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Posted 06 April 2011 - 10:41 PM

I Have downloaded this documentary on my Ipod Touch 2 weeks ago.

Good, but I have seen better.

Edited by JVE, 06 April 2011 - 10:41 PM.


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Posted 06 April 2011 - 10:49 PM

View Postdazdillinjah, on 05 April 2011 - 07:01 PM, said:

Well the documents they showed regarding the UFO crashes in 1941 & 1942 were new to me ..plus the way they tested the documents they had to prove authenticity really impressed me. Basically by the time of Roswell there was a protocol in place to keep any & all real UFO incidents suppressed and yet allow mis-identifications & obvious hoaxes make headlines. Honestly its a must watch, because people should take the time to see and hear the story being told.


Good video in your OP, dazdillinjah........ :tu:

I can just imagine someone feeling the need to leak the documents, in the interests of shared knowledge.

Then the 'secret-keepers' go full steam ahead to muddy the waters and go to great lengths
to try and discredit them...????



A while back I did a thread about the Cape Giradeau ET craft incident.....

http://www.unexplain...=194164&hl=cape girardeau 1941&st=0



and in this link about Ben Rich....former director of Lockheed Martin Skunk Works I was interested
in the bit about 'hand me downs' re ET craft...and thought of the Cape Girardeau, Missouri 'story'.

I wonder if some the hand-me-downs came from there...?



http://www.ufo-blogg...heed-skunk.html

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1. There are 2 types of UFOs -- the ones we build and ones 'they' build. We learned from both crash retrievals and actual "hand-me-downs." The Government knew and until 1969 took an active hand in the administration of that information. After a 1969 Nixon "purge", administration was handled by an international board of directors in the private sector…


anyway......I enjoyed the video....thanks.





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