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Posted 29 April 2011 - 11:23 AM

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Phillip Tilley: Whenever there is a cause where some great sacrifice must be made, usually by the people on the bottom of the totem pole, some person in charge of making someone else sacrifice says it is for the greater good.  On the Star Trek series, Vulcans believed the good of the many outweighs the good of the few or the one.  In other words the majority of society must benefit from the minorities loss. The case could be made that even though the invasion of Iraq turned up no weapons of mass destruction it was still for the greater good.

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Posted 04 May 2011 - 12:56 AM

We can never have equality in life simply because we are all on a different pathway , we all have different lessons to learn and those lessons have to be learnt 'hands on' a first hand experience by each individual .

Although the corner stone of civilization is built on human sacrifice , and because we are all still in our infancy , this system works , eventually humans will know all the answers and sacrifice will no longer be needed or used .

As far as money is concerned , in the final analysis a better system will emerge , one where we help each other and the weak aren't forgotten ......

But , may be when we all reach that Nirvana we will eventually have true equality , and as we're all at a different stage of evolving to reach that goal we escape from the sacrifices of 'For The Greater Good' at different times .

In the Gospel of Thomas Jesus said to them, "When you make the two into one, and when you make the inner like the outer and the outer like the inner, and the upper like the lower, and when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female, when you make eyes in place of an eye, a hand in place of a hand, a foot in place of a foot, an image in place of an image, then you will enter the kingdom of God .

The Ark of the Covenant was the sacred chest, overlaid with gold, which occupied the inner sanctum of the temple and symbolised God's covenant with his people.. Covenant= The promises that God made to his people as recorded in the bible. The Ark of the Covenant has never been found .

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Posted 04 May 2011 - 02:48 PM

View PostTrog, on 04 May 2011 - 12:56 AM, said:

We can never have equality in life simply because we are all on a different pathway , we all have different lessons to learn and those lessons have to be learnt 'hands on' a first hand experience by each individual .

Although the corner stone of civilization is built on human sacrifice , and because we are all still in our infancy , this system works , eventually humans will know all the answers and sacrifice will no longer be needed or used .

As far as money is concerned , in the final analysis a better system will emerge , one where we help each other and the weak aren't forgotten ......

But , may be when we all reach that Nirvana we will eventually have true equality , and as we're all at a different stage of evolving to reach that goal we escape from the sacrifices of 'For The Greater Good' at different times .

In the Gospel of Thomas Jesus said to them, "When you make the two into one, and when you make the inner like the outer and the outer like the inner, and the upper like the lower, and when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female, when you make eyes in place of an eye, a hand in place of a hand, a foot in place of a foot, an image in place of an image, then you will enter the kingdom of God .

i don't want to seem rude, but this is bull. All those ''it is the mysterious works of God blah blah''. The humans attitude isn't because of a ''God'' but because of human attitude, we have the ressource, the science and the capacity to give evryone the basic needs, but because of greed and human selfishness, well our race is willing to hurt anyone for to acheivement of any goal(Like a King or a President, willing to hurt people for the only sake of him have money and power).Our race is that way cause our race became that way. And it is our race that must take is responsability and Grew itself above this un-cerebreal cruelty, or else one day our race will face is own destruction in some future. Wr must not wait to reach ''heaven'' to be free, but do our best to make ''heaven'' on earth.

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Posted 04 May 2011 - 09:09 PM

I agree with Asgaard.  We must stop looking to some invisible deity that may not exist and search inside ourselves for the answers.  It is not god that must act to help our fellow man when there is a natural disaster or when heroes are needed, it is US.  Once people understand that, we can begin to move towards our full potential.


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Posted 10 May 2011 - 10:27 PM

Asgaard . We all have our own opinion , and far be it for me to try and change your mind , however , does your belief system include a 'Judgment Day' ? And if not does that mean that as long as you don't get caught by your countries police ,  you can do as you like with impunity ?

That's exactly what's wrong with the world to-day , too many people doing what ever makes them feel good .... I'm not sure where you get “The mysterious work of God” from , the majority of people in this world believe in his word (The Bible) and there is no mystery about it , for those who bother to read it .

But as I said , we all have our own opinion and some take longer than others to work it all out , that's why we're all on a different path .

The Ark of the Covenant was the sacred chest, overlaid with gold, which occupied the inner sanctum of the temple and symbolised God's covenant with his people.. Covenant= The promises that God made to his people as recorded in the bible. The Ark of the Covenant has never been found .

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Posted 17 May 2011 - 06:55 AM

I like the honesty of the op. The only change the human race will be making is that of one from a mostly negative viewpoint to slightly the other way. A personal viewpoint, either that of one in power or one in not, is moot. It's not quantity, but quality that matters when it comes to people. Money or no money, money was never the point of beingness, and is a completely fabricated cage to begin with. Count that.

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Posted 17 May 2011 - 05:01 PM

Money is not to blame...this has been a common cop out type argument.
The ol' "If we didn't have money, we'd all be happier" Total BS.
Money is merely a medium used in the exchange of goods and services. The real issue is our society and its collective attitudes..of course this means each and every one of us.

Does that imply one should live a life of abject poverty? No. It means that out attitude towards money needs to be readjusted..of course our collective attitudes towards many things needs some severe tweaking too.

As for this whole "greater good" thing..who decides what is for the greater good? And who says that what the majority wants or says is necessarily right?
Sometimes I think that our problems arise because we assume that the "majority" somehow knows what is best and to be honest, from what I am seeing regarding the overall awareness and, dare I say, education, of the general populace..the voice of the "majority" cannot really be trusted all that much.

If we want changes then it has to come from us as a collective and as individuals. Maybe spend less time drooling over the baseball scoreboards and devote a little more time to learning about our world and so forth.





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