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#61    Eldorado

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Posted 01 June 2011 - 08:08 PM

Mass murder?  Meh.

Brown, red or yellow people don't count.




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Posted 01 June 2011 - 08:21 PM

View PostCorp, on 01 June 2011 - 06:20 PM, said:

Yeah same here. You hear mass murder and you get the picture of bodies everywhere.
Isn't that a 'massacre'?


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Posted 01 June 2011 - 08:33 PM

Well a massacre would automatically also be mass murder.

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth a war, is much worse...A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.

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Posted 01 June 2011 - 08:39 PM

Indeed, but not every mass murder is a massacre.  ;)


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Posted 01 June 2011 - 08:47 PM

View Postdekker87, on 01 June 2011 - 02:05 PM, said:

after several 'learned' posters have referred to american atrocities today yet appear unable to actually back them up with any hard facts i'm opening it up to everyone.....

can anyone post anything that gives weight to expandmymind and solarplexus's accusations / statements that the USA has committed mass murder in the last 60 years!?

Bombing and free fire zones in Vietnam; supporting regimes like Somoza in Nicaragua, the Shah of Iran, the generals in El Salvador, etc, etc.

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Posted 01 June 2011 - 08:52 PM

View Postali smack, on 01 June 2011 - 06:03 PM, said:

I was under the impression that if you sold someone weapons,and that person then killed/or tortured someone with those weapons you was partly responsible for there actions?
or maybe i'm juiced up on goofballs

http://drugaddict.li...om/3494291.html

This is especially true when the US actually installed those regimes in the first place, the Somoza, the Shah of Iran, Pinochet in Chile, etc, etc, then trained their military and secret police forces, provided them with weapons, and so on.  Then we are directly implicated in their crimes.

Probably the worst mass murderer we ever put into power and supported for decades was Suharto in Indonesia, although Mobutu in Zaire was just about as bad.

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Posted 01 June 2011 - 08:54 PM

hard to do anything anymore with the popo everywhere up in everyones business  :w00t: . And also with DNA evidence and soforth now being used by the police many are stopped before they get their kill counts too high.


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Posted 01 June 2011 - 09:38 PM

Well, we seem to have a lot of drones that kill many innocent people in Afghanistan. Then our government just says, "opps, sorry."

An officer I know has said that our government believes that killing many innocents to get one target is acceptable (in the manner of hundreds of people).


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Posted 01 June 2011 - 09:46 PM

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Posted 02 June 2011 - 06:24 AM

ok am lost, the US did what to whom and when and why?


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Posted 02 June 2011 - 06:45 AM

View Postacidhead, on 01 June 2011 - 06:14 PM, said:

Just curious...

If I gave my neighbor a gun and cash and he killed his neighbor am I guilty of any crime?

no.

why would you be?


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Posted 02 June 2011 - 06:48 AM

View PostTheMcGuffin, on 01 June 2011 - 08:52 PM, said:

This is especially true when the US actually installed those regimes in the first place, the Somoza, the Shah of Iran, Pinochet in Chile, etc, etc, then trained their military and secret police forces, provided them with weapons, and so on.  Then we are directly implicated in their crimes.

Probably the worst mass murderer we ever put into power and supported for decades was Suharto in Indonesia, although Mobutu in Zaire was just about as bad.

'US actually installed those regimes in the first place' is not true.

you / they may have supported these dictators but they didnt 'install' them and to say so is as erroneous as to say that 'the us committed mass murder'..

both fallacies that my leftist colleagues love to bleat on about but both of which are in reality untrue.


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Posted 02 June 2011 - 06:51 AM

View Postthird_eye, on 01 June 2011 - 09:46 PM, said:

Hiroshima

Nagasaki

'last 60 years' disqualifies the atmoic bombs dropped on nagasaki and hiroshima....tho those would technically qualify otherwise.


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Posted 02 June 2011 - 11:06 AM

Why last 60 years?I'm curious?
why would anything beforehand not count?
Does that mean Germany has not been guilty of mass murder on jews? :huh:


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Posted 02 June 2011 - 11:21 AM

Because Hiroshima and Nagasaki would make this case too easy.





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