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#31    bee

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 07:39 PM

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"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction."


~Albert Einstein~







http://www.brainyquo...t_einstein.html

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 07:42 PM

View Postbee, on 13 June 2011 - 07:39 PM, said:

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I've reported the above post
You've reported your own?!     :o   Whatever for?

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 08:00 PM

View Postbee, on 13 June 2011 - 07:32 PM, said:

fair enough...but those links were pretty bad and I wonder why you put them in your post if you

were 'applying a higher standard of scrutiny'..... ;)  
I thought that I explained why I included the links fairly well, but I'll say it again.  The first part of that scrutiny involves looking for already revealed points of concern, inconsistencies, factual errors, and any other red flags. That was where those links came from.

Hope that clarifies.



View Postbee, on 13 June 2011 - 07:32 PM, said:

that's good because the Keshe Foundation...as I am learning..has some very commendable aims and objectives...
Stated commendable aims and objectives are part and parcel for scam artists.  It is hard to scam people if you don't have a convincing catch phrase.  How successful would a huckster be if their line was, "I want to take as much of your money as I can, will you please give it to me?"

Again, I'm not saying he is a scammer, but that so far I've not been able to distinguish him as genuine - no matter how much I want him to be.

That being said, I truly do hope that the aims and objectives of the Keshe Foundation are genuine.  I raised some reasons that I thought worthy of consideration to question this, but perhaps that will be part of the (more to come).  I look forward to that.




View Postbee, on 13 June 2011 - 07:32 PM, said:

there's quite a bit of stuff out there, eh...

the link you put for the 45 minute long google video...wasn't the right one...

this is the one you linked to....



http://www.keshefoun...ure_plasma.html


and here's one of the pictures...(slightly doctored for your amusement)... :)




entitled...The Selfless Sacrifices of a Cola Bottle for Science'

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this is the video that you meant to put, I think?







http://video.google....68954646772071#



(more to come later)
Actually the link I included opened to a page where this very same video is embedded.  If you scroll down you should see it.  Regardless though, by including the video in your post it will make it easier for others who might be interested in watching it.  I must admit it was pretty dull though... :P


Looking forward to the rest. :)


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Posted 13 June 2011 - 08:16 PM

View PostbooNyzarC, on 13 June 2011 - 08:00 PM, said:

Actually the link I included opened to a page where this very same video is embedded.  If you scroll down you should see it.  Regardless though, by including the video in your post it will make it easier for others who might be interested in watching it.  I must admit it was pretty dull though... :P


Oh, ok..about link.

Re. the long google video......that to me was part of it's charm....so slow  ^_^  that there was plenty of time to

think 'what the hell's going on?'..lol...and try to work it out...and think about 'things'... :wacko:  




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Posted 13 June 2011 - 08:18 PM

View Postbee, on 13 June 2011 - 02:09 PM, said:



I thought like that a while back...that Iran could end up as a big smouldering radiated hole...

but then came my Bruce Cathie thread...and I am inclined to believe what he says about nuclear war.

ie. that it is not a logical possibility when all the nuclear powers share all the info on the

'windows of opportunity'.

also...the major nuclear powers are finely balanced and I don't think Russia or China would allow

that to happen to Iran



I guess my thinking is two fold - although i'd have to admit that I haven't looked into how he knows what technology Iran might have, other then being born there and having links till the mid seventies.....so my thinking is only based on not knowing how he claims to know this, apologies if that has been covered already though.

After '79, the new regime not only started re-jigging the military, but from '1980 onwards they also either imprisoned or executed anyone suspected of either Western training through the prior regime, or playing a part in the failed coup that followed. From what I understand this gentleman claims to have left Iran in the mid seventies, completing his education abroad. Given the regime has only moved towards more paranoia since then, i'm a little confused as to how he claims to know about what Iran is using...

My comment about big black clouds wasn't about Nuclear strikes - I simply meant that even when a diamond mine in the back end of Africa is taken over by people who are not part of the plan, we send special forces over to ensure the smooth transaction back to the owners 'we' are happy with....and that's just minerals....advanced technology? with weapons capabilities? I just don't see that being allowed to come to fruition, and even if it did, i'd be more then surprised if it wasn't removed PDQ.

Having said that, I haven't looked into him bee, so ignore me if that has all been covered.

Edited by The Sky Scanner, 13 June 2011 - 08:19 PM.

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 08:24 PM

I would like a ice cold bottled UFO please ! serve it up with a Championship Basketball Team Like the Mavericks !

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 08:34 PM

View Postbee, on 13 June 2011 - 07:39 PM, said:

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"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction."


~Albert Einstein~







http://www.brainyquo...t_einstein.html


What is soo special about making Graphene in a Coke bottle? All you need to make it is Scotch tape.



Doesn't that mean this guy is making things more complex? The exact opposite of this Einstien quote you keep over using out of context.

Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you. - Friedrich Nietzsche

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 08:44 PM

Fascinating reads on his website.  I'm not sure if any of this is legit, and unfortunately we will never know either.  

What I find most interesting about this is Keshe is basing his PMF theory around how our very own planet can move, have an atmosphere and stay in orbit.  I have never pondered the idea that perhaps interstellar travel & unlimited power could come from modeling our Earth's own gravity and magnetic forces.  

If he can recreate the forces that keep our Earth's atmosphere, trajectory and orbit, this  discovery would change everything.


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Posted 13 June 2011 - 08:51 PM

View PostThe Religious Hoax, on 13 June 2011 - 08:44 PM, said:

Fascinating reads on his website.  I'm not sure if any of this is legit, and unfortunately we will never know either.  

What I find most interesting about this is Keshe is basing his PMF theory around how our very own planet can move, have an atmosphere and stay in orbit.  I have never pondered the idea that perhaps interstellar travel & unlimited power could come from modeling our Earth's own gravity and magnetic forces.  

If he can recreate the forces that keep our Earth's atmosphere, trajectory and orbit, this  discovery would change everything.
I agree TRH and was also impressed by the way he appears to be trying to model and understand the natural physics behind celestial bodies in motion.  All of our propulsion and transportation techniques (for the most part) work to some varying degree against the natural physics models; overcoming gravity to achieve flight, overcoming resistance to maintain velocity in motion.  If nothing else, Keshe has given me a different perspective to look at the problem.

Keen observation TRH.  Kudos. :tu:


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Posted 13 June 2011 - 08:53 PM

View PostThe Sky Scanner, on 13 June 2011 - 08:18 PM, said:

After '79, the new regime not only started re-jigging the military, but from '1980 onwards they also either imprisoned or executed anyone suspected of either Western training through the prior regime, or playing a part in the failed coup that followed. From what I understand this gentleman claims to have left Iran in the mid seventies, completing his education abroad.


yes he lived here in Britain for 30 years


http://www.associate...ehran_keshe.htm

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Mehran Keshe was born in Iran in 1958, as son to an X-ray engineer working for Philips and Siemens, and he was introduced to the world of radiation and nuclear at a very young age. In the mid-seventies he moved to the United Kingdom, Europe, for further education in the field of nuclear physics. In 1981 he graduated from Queen Mary, University of London as nuclear engineer specialized in reactor technology system control.


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Given the regime has only moved towards more paranoia since then, i'm a little confused as to how he claims to know about what Iran is using...

I suppose he knows about what he is doing and it's all public...he wouldn't be concerned about
others areas. But I'm not quite sure what you mean by 'using'



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My comment about big black clouds wasn't about Nuclear strikes - I simply meant that even when a diamond mine in the back end of Africa is taken over by people who are not part of the plan, we send special forces over to ensure the smooth transaction back to the owners 'we' are happy with....and that's just minerals....advanced technology? with weapons capabilities? I just don't see that being allowed to come to fruition, and even if it did, i'd be more then surprised if it wasn't removed PDQ.


I can't imagine America having the stomach for another war in the Middle East? And for what?

'To prevent Iran getting into Space Travel' wouldn't go down too well as a reason?


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Having said that, I haven't looked into him bee, so ignore me if that has all been covered.

cheers for your comments it all goes towards the bigger picture.... :tu:


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Posted 13 June 2011 - 09:03 PM

View PostThe Religious Hoax, on 13 June 2011 - 08:44 PM, said:

Fascinating reads on his website.  I'm not sure if any of this is legit, and unfortunately we will never know either.


that's the thing.....we will.....one way or another in the next 5 - 10 years



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What I find most interesting about this is Keshe is basing his PMF theory around how our very own planet can move, have an atmosphere and stay in orbit.  I have never pondered the idea that perhaps interstellar travel & unlimited power could come from modeling our Earth's own gravity and magnetic forces.  

If he can recreate the forces that keep our Earth's atmosphere, trajectory and orbit, this  discovery would change everything.


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Posted 13 June 2011 - 09:12 PM

View Postbee, on 13 June 2011 - 08:53 PM, said:


I can't imagine America having the stomach for another war in the Middle East? And for what?

'To prevent Iran getting into Space Travel' wouldn't go down too well as a reason?


If Iran has technology for space travel, as is speculated here, America would be the least of the their problems, no war needed either, or a reason for attacking....space travel is just the bonus, the technology itself would be the issue, but if a reason were needed then tightening up the hype on their nuclear ambitions would be a suitable umbrella to bomb sites suspecting of playing with this technology...

I'm going to read up on a few more things first, and read all the links that have been posted before I comment further....cause I fear I might have been misreading what is alleged here, and therefore taking the thread down the wrong track :tu:

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 09:13 PM

View Postlost_shaman, on 13 June 2011 - 08:34 PM, said:

What is soo special about making Graphene in a Coke bottle? All you need to make it is Scotch tape.



Doesn't that mean this guy is making things more complex? The exact opposite of this Einstien quote you keep over using out of context.
In all fairness, this video is a pretty poor comparison to what Mehran Keshe claims.

First of all, in this video the person is using existing graphite and merely separating it into graphene with the tape; Keshe's claim is that his process in the Coke bottle actually extracts graphene from carbon dioxide CO2 and methane CH4 gases directly from the environment at very little cost.

Second, with this sort of application expanded to a larger collection surface, bigger pieces of graphene can be produced.

From my understanding, the extraction of graphene is a very costly process requiring a lot of heat and a lot of energy input.  If Keshe is right about what he has going on here it happens at room temperature and he gets a byproduct of energy output along the way.

It all hinges on the legitimacy of his claim, however.  He says that it has been independently verified in a university, but has given no particulars to preserve the anonymity of the scientists involved.  This is fishy to me, but I'll wait to see if more information and proof is forthcoming.

If you'd like to read more about it, here is a paper he has published about the process.  And the above 45 minute google video in bee's post is essentially a demonstration of this same thing.

I'm not saying I believe it all, but if we are going to criticize Keshe's claims we should do so accurately.

Cheers mate.

Edited by booNyzarC, 13 June 2011 - 09:21 PM.


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Posted 13 June 2011 - 09:17 PM

View Postlost_shaman, on 13 June 2011 - 08:34 PM, said:

What is soo special about making Graphene in a Coke bottle? All you need to make it is Scotch tape.

NOW you tell the world.!!!... :P...they're all at it, eh
  




gathering the graphene


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Posted 13 June 2011 - 09:51 PM

View PostbooNyzarC, on 13 June 2011 - 09:13 PM, said:


In all fairness, this video is a pretty poor comparison to what Mehran Keshe claims.

First of all, in this video the person is using existing graphene and merely separating it with the tape;   ...snip

Of course the technique in the Video I showed was the same first used in 2004 that lead to the Discovery of Graphene. Andre Geim and Konstantin Novoselov who discovered Graphene in 2004 using that method won the Nobel Prize last year.


View PostbooNyzarC, on 13 June 2011 - 09:13 PM, said:


From my understanding, the extraction of graphene is a very costly process requiring a lot of heat and a lot of energy input. If Keshe is right about what he has going on here it happens at room temperature and he gets a byproduct of energy output along the way.

You must be thinking of nanotubes which require high temps and energy to produce. On the otherhand sheets of Graphene centimeters wide can be made at room temps in a fairly straight forward process.

http://www.technolog...ng/20558/page1/

Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you. - Friedrich Nietzsche




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