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#91    Paxus

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Posted 16 June 2011 - 09:10 AM

View PostJotar, on 16 June 2011 - 08:57 AM, said:

Yea i think its BS. If he really did, there would be word and panic spreading amongst the many contractors with NASA regarding jobs, nothing has appeared in that respect (and please no one shout conspiracy or keeping quiet, lets be realistic :P.

Also, i think if this were true he would be shouting as loud as he could to reach as many people as possible to say look i have this new amazing technology and NASA didnt want it. But he didnt.

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Wow, he just said he'd have Mars colonised with his technology by 2020!
I'm amazed he has such big balls!
(to say all this)

On the flip-side - I think such exotic propulsion and shield systems are possible and may even be in the process of being covered up, but I just don't think he's the one with the goods!

Edited by Paxus, 16 June 2011 - 09:12 AM.


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Posted 16 June 2011 - 09:10 AM

I like this one:
"We can send a rocket to Venus, but our fridges don't work"
~ Mikhail Gorbachev.

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Posted 16 June 2011 - 09:17 AM

View PostPaxus, on 16 June 2011 - 09:10 AM, said:



On the flip-side - I think such exotic propulsion and shield systems are possible and may even be in the process of being covered up, but I just don't think he's the one with the goods!

Yea, Michio Kaku delves into this alot actually, his books are documentaries are really interesting. New technologies and scifi type propulsions are starting to become more and more scientifically theoretical and on the small scale in developement right now (for example, transporter, invisibility cloak etc). Not in the huge scale as we see in star trek but getting there. This kind of stuff isnt being kept secret either.

So i dont believe if this guy did make something that they would hide it, he already has plenty of 'access' to the web and new sources, as i said before he would have made a loud noise by now.

Also i cant believe he is wealthy where he has so many companies like he said and has such a **** website. Im sorry but there is nothing professional about it.


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Posted 16 June 2011 - 09:30 AM

View PostJotar, on 16 June 2011 - 08:40 AM, said:

Um, i listened to the interview in the OP's first post. Its very interesting but i dont get this guy at all. He's a half scientist half business man with multiple companies? I dont recall him mentioning names of his companies?


This is about the Keshe Foundation


http://www.keshefoun...n.com/home.html



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Also where are his patents? Why isnt his research posted in scientific journals instead of his 'forum'.


http://www.keshefoun...bout_keshe.html

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*Since 2002 he has concentrated his effort to finish the full design of his technology for launch into the scientific world and industry.

*He was invited by one of leading western country’s, through its government office organizations in September of 2004 for evaluation of his technology.

*His technology was considered by scientists at University level from November of 2004 until March 2005.

*In March 2005, the report from the university has identified that energy production through this new technology is feasible.

*Since release of this report efforts were made through authorities to facilitate the development of this system in the host country.

*In April 2005 a highly reputable developing company partner was found for the study of the practicality of developing this system, through the government organizations.

*As of April 2005 there has been a close collaboration between Mr. Keshe and the development company for a full practical study of the first prototype.

*It is accepted between both parties, and the development company is satisfied that the system is practical and workable to produce as was reported in the feasibility study by the university scientists.

*As of the 17.8.2005 the systems’ preliminary evaluation is complete and the parties have agreed that they are ready to proceed with the physical production of the first “Gravitational and Energy system”.

*Three patents for technology have been applied for since early October of 2005 for all aspects of it possible use, covering some hundreds of applications.
Additional international patents have been applied for.


*At the end of 2005 and the beginning of 2006 several static plasma reactors were built, which proved the theoretical insights stated before. These static reactors work at room temperature and at normal atmospheric pressure. They provide voltage and current. Deposits of pure carbon layers are generated, and Raman spectroscopy has confirmed that these are wall-graphite, also called graphene.

*Since the beginning of 2006 several prototypes of dynamic reactors are built, some specifically designed to create hovering effects. Such hovering effect have been achieved. Six reactors are under test and continues evaluation.
The intellectual properties related to this technology has been transferred in 2006 to The Keshe Foundation, a "Stichting" in The Netherlands. The main objective of this Foundation is the repartition of licensing fees to over five different area's related to mankind welfare and world education.

*October 2006. A contract is signed with a major governmental organization in Europe to replicate independently the tests with static reactors.
Tests of medical use of plasma reactors, in cooperation with doctors.

*Begin of 2007: Filing of two patent applications under Patent Cooperation Treaty
Publication by the European Patent Office of two patent applications
July 2007. Filing of a European patent application for medical and food applications of plasma reactors.

2010. Publishing of a paper about the direct capturing of CO2 and CH4 from the surrounding air, where the CO2 and CH4 is in a liquid state at room temperature and room pressure. Download the paper. The CO2 and CH4 were proven by IR and XRD spectroscopy performed by a Belgian University.



as you can see....Mehran Keshe is and has been for many years...a very busy man.

the brilliant thing for me...is that he is talking about this technology openly.

if only others had done the same in the past...I know that 'National Security'
is the cover all for the 'cover-up'....but....now see the pickle they are in.


Like I have said this is all a political minefield. If Keshe can pull this off without
hindrance then this will be quite spectacular. How much we will hear about it in
Western MSM, though....remains to be seen.


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Posted 16 June 2011 - 09:32 AM

now he's saying we'll be able to go many times faster than the speed of light....


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Posted 16 June 2011 - 09:35 AM

View Postbee, on 16 June 2011 - 09:30 AM, said:

This is about the Keshe Foundation


as you can see....Mehran Keshe is and has been for many years...a very busy man.

the brilliant thing for me...is that he is talking about this technology openly.

if only others had done the same in the past...I know that 'National Security'
is the cover all for the 'cover-up'....but....now see the pickle they are in.


Like I have said this is all a political minefield. If Keshe can pull this off without
hindrance then this will be quite spectacular. How much we will hear about it in
Western MSM, though....remains to be seen.


keep up the good work Bee.  :tu:


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Posted 16 June 2011 - 09:44 AM

View PostPaxus, on 16 June 2011 - 09:32 AM, said:

now he's saying we'll be able to go many times faster than the speed of light....


I believe him...in fact...I think 'we' already have.....




glad you are getting into the interview Paxus...... :tu:

(even if you don't think the same as me about it).....


and Jotar...thanks for your interest.... :)



@quillius....cheers.....


gotta love you and leave you now.....got a car journey to do and a tent to put up...... :st


will catch up with thread when I get back


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Posted 16 June 2011 - 09:46 AM

View Postbee, on 16 June 2011 - 09:30 AM, said:



as you can see....Mehran Keshe is and has been for many years...a very busy man.

the brilliant thing for me...is that he is talking about this technology openly.

if only others had done the same in the past...I know that 'National Security'
is the cover all for the 'cover-up'....but....now see the pickle they are in.


Like I have said this is all a political minefield. If Keshe can pull this off without
hindrance then this will be quite spectacular. How much we will hear about it in
Western MSM, though....remains to be seen.

I read the quotes from the site you posted and they are all vague nonsense.

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*Since 2002 he has concentrated his effort to finish the full design of his technology for launch into the scientific world and industry.

Where is it now?

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*He was invited by one of leading western country’s, through its government office organizations in September of 2004 for evaluation of his technology.

What country?

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*His technology was considered by scientists at University level from November of 2004 until March 2005.

What scientists? University level? Not the professors i hope? Definately not the students i hope. What university? I was hoping the 'scientists' would be the kind who would have gone beyond university level and had some experience.

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*In March 2005, the report from the university has identified that energy production through this new technology is feasible.

Just feasible? What university said this? Is do they think its remarkable? Efficient? Feasible seems so unjust a word for such a 'marvelous' tech.

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*Since release of this report efforts were made through authorities to facilitate the development of this system in the host country.

What reports? Where are the applications for the authorities to fund and facilitate this? What is their application numbers? Tax numbers?

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*In April 2005 a highly reputable developing company partner was found for the study of the practicality of developing this system, through the government organizations.

What company? Dont you see if this was real then all companies would be naming themselves to get in on the remarkable fortune this will bring. This is too vague.

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*As of April 2005 there has been a close collaboration between Mr. Keshe and the development company for a full practical study of the first prototype.

Again what company? OMG anyone can say this, it doesnt make it true, there is no fact here.

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*It is accepted between both parties, and the development company is satisfied that the system is practical and workable to produce as was reported in the feasibility study by the university scientists.

*As of the 17.8.2005 the systems’ preliminary evaluation is complete and the parties have agreed that they are ready to proceed with the physical production of the first “Gravitational and Energy system”.


And again?

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*Three patents for technology have been applied for since early October of 2005 for all aspects of it possible use, covering some hundreds of applications.
Additional international patents have been applied for.


Where are the patent numbers which people usually post when they are saying they have patented something.

Quote


*At the end of 2005 and the beginning of 2006 several static plasma reactors were built, which proved the theoretical insights stated before. These static reactors work at room temperature and at normal atmospheric pressure. They provide voltage and current. Deposits of pure carbon layers are generated, and Raman spectroscopy has confirmed that these are wall-graphite, also called graphene.


Where is the reports on this, where was this posted? Which scientific journals was this sent to? Where are the images? Videos? Data?

Quote

*Since the beginning of 2006 several prototypes of dynamic reactors are built, some specifically designed to create hovering effects. Such hovering effect have been achieved. Six reactors are under test and continues evaluation.
The intellectual properties related to this technology has been transferred in 2006 to The Keshe Foundation, a "Stichting" in The Netherlands. The main objective of this Foundation is the repartition of licensing fees to over five different area's related to mankind welfare and world education.

Lets see it then?


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*October 2006. A contract is signed with a major governmental organization in Europe to replicate independently the tests with static reactors.
Tests of medical use of plasma reactors, in cooperation with doctors.


What government organisation? What doctors? Whats their speciality?

Quote


*Begin of 2007: Filing of two patent applications under Patent Cooperation Treaty
Publication by the European Patent Office of two patent applications
July 2007. Filing of a European patent application for medical and food applications of plasma reactors.
2010. Publishing of a paper about the direct capturing of CO2 and CH4 from the surrounding air, where the CO2 and CH4 is in a liquid state at room temperature and room pressure. Download the paper. The CO2 and CH4 were proven by IR and XRD spectroscopy performed by a Belgian University.

Where are the patent numbers? What country was the patent applied for?


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Posted 16 June 2011 - 09:47 AM

I wish I could believe it, I really really do.

I want to build my own space ship and go exploring!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Posted 16 June 2011 - 09:49 AM

View Postbee, on 16 June 2011 - 09:44 AM, said:

I believe him...in fact...I think 'we' already have.....




glad you are getting into the interview Paxus...... :tu:

(even if you don't think the same as me about it).....


and Jotar...thanks for your interest.... :)



@quillius....cheers.....


gotta love you and leave you now.....got a car journey to do and a tent to put up...... :st


will catch up with thread when I get back


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Sure thing, thanks for the interesting topic, it really is great, im just a nut for details. I feel the same for global warming and other things, people believe it as such fact and yet there is no evidence, but thats a different topic all together.


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Posted 16 June 2011 - 12:39 PM

View PostJotar, on 16 June 2011 - 09:46 AM, said:

I read the quotes from the site you posted and they are all vague nonsense.
Does all seem a bit, well, vague, yes ....  Nowhere do they name the universities in question, or the companies concerned, or the leading western country's, or even provide any evidence that any of the many patents he says he has actually exist. And remember that anyone can get a patent for an idea, you don't have to prove that you can actually do it. And "His technology was considered by scientists at University level from November of 2004 until March 2005." That doesn't sound all that long for a serious scientifically rigorous study of such a radical technology.... So far I'm afraid to say that it does all sound rather Bob Bushman ....

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Posted 16 June 2011 - 12:47 PM

View Post747400, on 16 June 2011 - 12:39 PM, said:

Does all seem a bit, well, vague, yes ....  Nowhere do they name the universities in question, or the companies concerned, or the leading western country's, or even provide any evidence that any of the many patents he says he has actually exist. And remember that anyone can get a patent for an idea, you don't have to prove that you can actually do it. And "His technology was considered by scientists at University level from November of 2004 until March 2005." That doesn't sound all that long for a serious scientifically rigorous study of such a radical technology.... So far I'm afraid to say that it does all sound rather Bob Bushman ....


Yes but if someone comes up with a radical new tech and gets a patent, im sure they would be eager if anything to share this with people from the same field etc, hence i figured maybe he would have posted it.


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Posted 16 June 2011 - 01:02 PM

View PostPaxus, on 16 June 2011 - 09:32 AM, said:

now he's saying we'll be able to go many times faster than the speed of light....

It'll be interesting to see him navigate....


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Posted 16 June 2011 - 01:13 PM

View PostFinguz, on 16 June 2011 - 01:02 PM, said:

It'll be interesting to see him navigate....
*LOL*
Watch out!!!! Asteroids!!! Waaaah!


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Posted 16 June 2011 - 01:46 PM

View PostJotar, on 16 June 2011 - 12:47 PM, said:

Yes but if someone comes up with a radical new tech and gets a patent, im sure they would be eager if anything to share this with people from the same field etc, hence i figured maybe he would have posted it.

That would depend at what stage the patent was at. patent pending or granted are two very different stages. In addition it takes quite a bit of time and money to extend the patent globally. If he had just made application for the USA then he has at least two years prior to instigating the same for other regions..i.e. europe , asia etc.

Even at  this stage unless you have the commercial plan in place it is very unwise to make a song and dance about it.

Another possibility is that some changes are needed prior to patent being granted so that it doesnt infringe on any other registered already, whilst satisfying the requirements for patent granted stage.

What I am basically saying is that it isnt as black and white as seems to be alluded to.





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