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[kumaran]

psyche101, on 17 May 2012 - 01:44 AM, said:

I have not based responses with regards to energy generation on opinion thank you very much. It just happens to be my field. I thought you had a problem with charlatans, but now I think you might even be paid by some of these charlatans to spread disinformation. You and Keshe have had much electronic contact, perhaps even personal as well. SImply put I do not trust you and am considering the likelihood that you are on the Keshe team, and have been all along. You initial response was just a ruse the get the thread going wasn't it? Were the suicide threats that you publicly issued to Keshe preempted?



Even though you have been shown the flaws and that research has been happening for decades without a product still? The more I read your posts, the more likely it seems the you are recruiting for Keshe. We have working technologies, even new ones like Blue Gen, which you failed to notice. I thought that was a it rude seeming as you claim to be interested in new technologies. Why have you nothing to say on that? It works and is in production, is it another technology you wish to stifle?



I believe that is a lie, you could get most of the gear you need for the Stan Meyer patens from the tip as bmk told you. You have no intention of making anything, you just want people to think you had some epiphany, and that you can support the reasons why, when that is not the case is it?

Set up an institute, yet you cannot raise the dollars to make Stan Meyers patent? How is anyone supposed to believe that? Was that one Keshe's idea or yours?



And you are trying to convince others to avoid working technologies to support this nonsense. There are few reasons you would do so, and none of them honest ones.



Why. You cannot even explain how gravity works!!!!!!



Yes you are, you keep trying to promote Keshe and Rossi. Dick Smith HAS the money and he approached Rossi. Rossi ran and hid from him. You refuse to answer why. The patent I gave you is something you could start on right now, but you never will.


How much energy has Solar, Wind and Hydro generated to date?

By comparison

How much energy has LENR produced to date?

See! Again you are lying! Solar has been a massive success in all of Germany, and it is following suit in Australia. Hydro power runs entire cities all over the world. It s solving the worlds problems while scammers fleece the population with long winded promises so that they never have to work a day in their lives. Where is LENR? How many cities is it running? How many LENR units are feeding free power back into the grids? People like you are the reasons people are so suspicious of such failing technologies, and yes, they do fail, 50 years on the drawing board without a single reproducible result is a failure in my book. As long as people are not honest about LENR, it's reputation will continue to decline. I think your argument for LENR is a good reason to shut down R&D associated with it.

LENR is perfectly reputable. So is antigravity research. I totally support the scientists who do such research. I feel they are pioneers. Like all pioneering ideas initially there will be a lot of opposition.

[kumaran]

Slave2Fate, on 17 May 2012 - 04:26 AM, said:

Overcoming gravity through the use of electromagnetism is still not antigravity. If that were the case then aerodynamics (flight) or rocket propulsion would also be forms of antigravity...they are not. Just because something 'floats' (or propels itself away from the Earth) doesn't mean it has anything to do with antigravity. Again, simply overcoming the effect of gravity is not the same as antigravity.



http://en.wikipedia....ki/Anti-gravity

ELectrogravitics is the production of gravity fields and controlling them. Its a perfectly legitimate form of antigravity. Its very close.

[kumaran]

keshe is about to open his online institute to teach his technology here http://keshefoundati...om/en/institute . Great news.

[bee]

Kumaran...I think your flip flopping days are over..?..thanks for all your positive posts....

[Old Man Waffles]

nah. i dont think so

[bee]

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There is more about the Presidential Decree...and the Keshe Foundation response here...

http://keshefoundati....php?f=2&t=2485


and this is the message that was sent to Obama.........................(yikes!)

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Our message to the US President.

Your Excellency President Obama

We offer you a path towards real world peace through the development of this new technology for the whole human race, using advanced technological know-how, and we hope you are open enough to listen first and then to enact a decree that can bring about this peace.

There are times when being attacked only makes the opponent stronger; with a decree such as that of 23 April, more people now want to know what is the weakness in the US defense capability that has led to such a decree.

I invite you to a direct presentation of our technology to you and your cabinet, to be given on neutral ground where the president of Iran could also be present and where no one betrays anyone else, so that we can all understand the fundamental change that is about to be brought to mankind. Then let us talk about genuine world peace.

As I said in my Sunday interview in Los Angeles, let us convert the military factories of the US to provide resources for a US space organization, so that the tools of war become the craft of universal peace.

The aircraft carriers of the US will become nothing but floating bathtubs if our Magravs technology is used effectively, and the runways full of F16s and 18s and so on will be nothing but runway museums of iron birds, as these crafts will not be able to fly if their electronic systems are once touched by Magravs space technology. These crafts and battleships would have to be rewired from A to Z before they could ever operate again.

President Obama, we invite you to understand this change and to let us show you the technology that is bringing it about. Then we invite you to the table of world peace.

Please sign a decree for genuine peace and not a gagging order for science and technology, which your people understand fully what we have developed as they try to protect the pride of your nation.

This is not a question of the pride of one group or country, but pride for all of us in the advancement of the human race to new levels of understanding of the universal order of creation, in which we each have our place.

Your Ambassador and Consul in Belgium have direct access to me from our previous talks and correspondence with them and would pass on any communication.

With kindest regards from a peace loving man who has developed this powerful technology for the good of mankind,

M T Keshe

I think Mehran Keshe is an extraordinary individual who is trying his very best to get his technology out to the wider world......

He is also a 'believer'.....

further down the above link to the KF forum he has written a philosophical post which touches on some interesting views that he has
regarding the 'universal community'....

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Thus, the Foundation in sharing its knowledge is not only set to change the life of man on earth, but we are making sure that we set up the correct path for the entry of man into the universal community, which has been aware of this existence from the time of its inception. But man has been so immature that he has been left in the womb of the earth until he matures enough to be ready to join the universal family, and as we see the time has arrived for such a reunion.

If we show you now what we know, you all will do two things: deny it and ridicule it as you do not have the understanding and intelligence to comprehend what is to come soon, as each creation can only accept according to its own level of intelligence and no more. Or you become part of it, to carry the others so that we all can enjoy a safe reunion.

Oh men of ignorance, with what language shall I speak that all will carry the love of the creator and beware of harming others and yourself. I hope that you will be wise enough and learn from the mistakes of the past so that you will be able to carry this cup of knowledge and peace with you into the new realm of creation

Keshe waxing lyrical....

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[psyche101]

kumaran, on 17 May 2012 - 09:49 AM, said:

LENR is perfectly reputable. So is antigravity research. I totally support the scientists who do such research. I feel they are pioneers. Like all pioneering ideas initially there will be a lot of opposition.

It is not opposition, the research is based on it's results. The only reason you could be supporting Keshe now is to try to convince people to follow Keshe, you had nothing to say about the last post, so I will assume that I am on the mark, and you were a Keshe disinformation propagandist all along. You never really had any problem with Keshe at ll did you? You just wanted people to think that so then people would take a second look at your  "turnaround". This is obvious by the way you rapidly spun around. Bad cricket there Kuruman. I am very disappointed.

[psyche101]

kumaran, on 17 May 2012 - 09:52 AM, said:

ELectrogravitics is the production of gravity fields and controlling them. Its a perfectly legitimate form of antigravity. Its very close.

More disinformation.

Please answer the question, how do you propose to get around the direct violations of Earnshaw's theorem and Gauss law?

The links to articles that you have posted show that you must understand this, so I can only assume dishonesty in this instance.

[psyche101]

bee, on 17 May 2012 - 07:53 PM, said:

Kumaran...I think your flip flopping days are over..?..thanks for all your positive posts....

He has been caught out with his agenda now, he can't flip flop again.

You have been awful quiet of late Bee. Where have you been hiding out? Not on holiday again I hope, I would be rather envious of that were the case.

[psyche101]

bee, on 17 May 2012 - 08:32 PM, said:

Keshe waxing lyrical....

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Waxing I agree with............

[kumaran]

bee, on 17 May 2012 - 08:32 PM, said:

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There is more about the Presidential Decree...and the Keshe Foundation response here...

http://keshefoundati....php?f=2&t=2485


and this is the message that was sent to Obama.........................(yikes!)





I think Mehran Keshe is an extraordinary individual who is trying his very best to get his technology out to the wider world......

He is also a 'believer'.....

further down the above link to the KF forum he has written a philosophical post which touches on some interesting views that he has
regarding the 'universal community'....






Keshe waxing lyrical....

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I will never doubt keshe again. he is a truly great person who is trying to change the world for the better. I believe with the start of the space institute later this year he will be on course to make history.

[kumaran]

psyche101, on 17 May 2012 - 10:43 PM, said:

It is not opposition, the research is based on it's results. The only reason you could be supporting Keshe now is to try to convince people to follow Keshe, you had nothing to say about the last post, so I will assume that I am on the mark, and you were a Keshe disinformation propagandist all along. You never really had any problem with Keshe at ll did you? You just wanted people to think that so then people would take a second look at your  "turnaround". This is obvious by the way you rapidly spun around. Bad cricket there Kuruman. I am very disappointed.

I thought Keshe was lying. i thought about it then i realised what if he is telling the truth. then a great chance for humanity would be lost. Earlier I was not sure of Keshe either way. Now I am sure he is genuine. LENR is possible so is antigravity.

[kumaran]

psyche101, on 17 May 2012 - 10:46 PM, said:

More disinformation.

Please answer the question, how do you propose to get around the direct violations of Earnshaw's theorem and Gauss law?

The links to articles that you have posted show that you must understand this, so I can only assume dishonesty in this instance.

I dont need to consider what are obviously ancient laws. There are other fringe scientists with alternative views which allow for the production of gravity fields and gravity control or electrogravitics. I trust them.

[psyche101]

kumaran, on 18 May 2012 - 01:09 AM, said:

I thought Keshe was lying. i thought about it then i realised what if he is telling the truth. then a great chance for humanity would be lost. Earlier I was not sure of Keshe either way. Now I am sure he is genuine. LENR is possible so is antigravity.

No, I do not believe that, you went so far as to hit many websites calling him a fraud and spent pages here doing the same. Then for no apparent reason whatsoever, and with no supporting proof, or even argument, you spin around 180 degrees. You have an agenda alright, you want to sell Keshe. You want to fleece people from investing in working technologies so they will give money to Keshe, what else could your motivation for the turnaround be? Lets face it, nothing else makes sense does it?
You say you understand LENR, then you have to understand the problems associated with it, but you have kept that angle at bay. You have not proven that it can work. I am calling shenanigans on you, as Anti Gravity is impossible and LENR is at this pont in time a pipe dream. People who sell dreams are not to be trusted. You are trying to convince people that results exist which do not. You are the scam Kumuran, and you have been exposed. I would suggest you get used to it, your little ruse will not work because your proof is nonsense.

[badeskov]

kumaran, on 18 May 2012 - 01:12 AM, said:

I dont need to consider what are obviously ancient laws.

Seriously?!

Age doesn't change the laws of physics! Please explain how they have been circumvented. You can't, can you? You don't even know what they state, do you?

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There are other fringe scientists with alternative views which allow for the production of gravity fields and gravity control or electrogravitics.

Yes, we know. They are called fringe for a reason. Scientists I would have a hard time calling them, though.

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I trust them.

Trust has no place in science, only independently verifiable data does. And data is something you are preciously short of, in fact you have absolutely none.

Cheers,
Badeskov