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#1    Paxus

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Posted 16 June 2011 - 08:29 AM

I have a question for people who have read Gordon Cooper's book "Leap Of Faith" (If you haven't, I recommend it - It's great!).

Ok, do you remember how he mentions meeting the son of a Wendell Welling (a man who was building prototypes of disc shaped flying craft)?

What I want to know is if anyone knows if this Mr Welling's son continued working on those flying machines and what they are up to now?

Excerpts of the section of the book I'm talking about below:

NOTE: Excerpt of the prototype disc shaped craft that Cooper saw and tested

Page 232

And so Wendell Welling began to build saucers. He hoped they might furnish some answers to whether "a craft shaped like the saucer I had seen could show lift on a test stand, and whether the lift potential could be ascertained."
We arrived at Welling's six-hundred-acre wheat farm, situated in a fertile valley with mountains on either side. Inside a large, barn-like building, I came face-to-face with a collection of genuine made-in-the-USA flying saucers.
Some of the early ones were small, no more than two feet in diameter. The largest disk, fifty to sixty feet in diameter, had been under construction when Welling died.
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There were several completed models of varying sizes up to twelve feet across.
I reviewed schematic drawings Welling had made to figure out how the size and weight of the vehicle affected lift, how much horsepower was required to drive it, and the revolutions per minute (rpm) needed to achieve lift and increase the vehicle's "tip speed" - the speed out on the periphery, or spinning lip, of the saucer.
Welling had found that using a dome-shaped top and relatively flat bottom caused a saucer shaped craft to act as a round on-piece airfoil - something like a Frisbee. Comparing it to a vertical wheel, which had proved to be an effective means of moving things on the ground for thousands of years, Welling had concluded that a "horizontal wheel" was an efficient air-foil with which to travel through the atmosphere.
I saw his point, and it seemed so logical as to be obvious. The lift area of a winged aircraft was limited to the underside of the wing and tail section. A saucer of equal "wing span" had much more lift area: 100 percent of it's surface provided lift.
Welling had incorporated into his design the "spinning top" he had seen on the UFO, putting a lot of thought into what he did and why it was important. His theory was that the spinning platter on top took advantage of a buildup of kinetic energy, equating it to what happened with a favorite children's toy: the spinning top.
He was certain that the giant "fly wheel" on the saucer he had seen furnished the thrust that lifted and drove the ship. He believed that the engines he and the other witnesses had initially heard were warming up
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the saucer's huge spinning top - he estimated it might have weighed as much as twenty tons - to the necessary rpm before shutting down. "Once that weight is spinning like a huge top", he wrote, "the energy requirement to hold the rpm drops way down and the craft is able to take advantage of a great power potential with the fly wheel acting as a centrifuge pump, battery, and huge gyroscope all wrapped into one."
In theory, I found Welling's descriptions sound. He had spent the last years of his life and thousands of dollars of his own money to prove these theories, and I now wondered: Did they fly?
I was invited to take the controls of the largest "flyable" saucer in the barn and give it a whirl. Approximately twelve feet in diameter, the saucer was constructed of silk cloth stretched over balsam wood, making it very light. The bigger saucer still under construction was being crafted of more durable materials.
Welling had not attempted to develop a propulsion system. Having focused his efforts on aerodynamics, he chose to power his man made saucer by an electrical generator that drove an onboard fan, which pushed cold air around for thrust.
In addition to a heavy-duty electrical cord that ran from the generator to the fan unit, the saucer was tethered to the ground by a half-inch steel cable that looked to be about twenty feet long - meaning that I wouldn't be going for any altitude records.
I sat at the control station about ten feet away. The sole "flight control" was an airplane-type stick. Pulling it back increased the rpm to the fan and provided greater lift, I was told; pushing it forward decreased lift.
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When the generator was fired up, the top section of the saucer began to spin, just as in the big saucer Welling had reported seeing twenty years earlier. Then the bottom section started spinning too, so there were two counter-rotating discs. In Welling's design, the speed with which the bottom disk spun controlled the slots that the air flowed through. The cold air flow, which kept it airborne, was pushed horizontally over the curved surfaces of the facing plates and downward toward the ground. The more air that was moved, the greater the lift.
The only noise in the room was the slight whir of the generator.
I applied gentle backward pressure on the stick, and the saucer jumped off the test stand, soundlessly, and rose into the air effortlessly to ten feet or so. I was amazed at the ease with which the bird took flight. Up and down it went as I moved the stick forward and back.
Compared with other aircraft I'd tested, this was a pretty crude model. But from the moment I first pushed back on the stick, I was extremely impressed with the saucer's lift capabilities. With very little power - the fan wasn't even powerful enough to move air effectively through a large room on a hot day - this thing flat-out flew.
There was a device - a counter-balanced scale with weights of known quantity on the other end - hooked up to the saucer to measure the lift it attained in pounds, but I didn't need to check the numbers. I could tell by the feel of the stick. I flew the saucer for about ten minutes, and the experience really opened my eyes to what a vehicle of this configuration would do; specifically, the tremendous lift that could be developed from the saucer shape.
Page 236 continued...
Boy, I thought, we've been going the wrong way all these years with winged aircraft.

Excerpt from Page 237:
(Paragraph 2)
Ever since that day in Utah, I have been convinced that saucers are the aircraft design of the future - both for this world and for travel beyond.



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Posted 16 June 2011 - 09:50 AM

First man-made flying saucers had BMW engines (haunebu)

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Posted 16 June 2011 - 10:09 AM

View PostSolarPlexus, on 16 June 2011 - 09:50 AM, said:

First man-made flying saucers had BMW engines (haunebu)
Hey SolarPlexus, what has that got to do with my question?


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Posted 16 June 2011 - 11:10 AM

Just saying

View PostPaxus, on 16 June 2011 - 08:29 AM, said:

What I want to know is if anyone knows if this Mr Welling's son continued working on those flying machines and what they are up to now?

No idea bro sorry

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Posted 16 June 2011 - 12:18 PM

Isn't it weird that when such amazing claims are made, especially from someone as respected or famous as Gordon Cooper, that they aren't investigated?!


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Posted 16 June 2011 - 12:57 PM

Yeah man, but its easier to judge and condemn then put effort into research and open your mind... so maybe it doesn't surprise me that much. There is a lot of NASA personnel (remember my Astronauts talk about UFOs thread) who made claims and reported stuff but people just ridicule them. It's funny how someone who is a national hero one day, is ridiculed as a 'nut' afterwards ...

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Posted 16 June 2011 - 01:12 PM

I might have missed that one - checking it out now!
Cheers

[Edit] Scratch that, I do remember that thread now.
Great stuff! Makes one think there is something going on when you read all that.

Edited by Paxus, 16 June 2011 - 01:26 PM.


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Posted 16 June 2011 - 02:05 PM

Yeah there is simply too much testimony from a broad spectrum of people. Something is going on the question is what

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 10:45 PM

p.202. His name is Scott Holmgren and was, according to Gordon Cooper,  
not the son but the son-in law of Wendell Welling. He was in his thirties in
1978, which means that he should be +/- 70 yr old today, if still alive.
There are several people called Scott Holmgren in the U.S., but none in
Utah.


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Posted 25 October 2012 - 10:47 PM

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 10:54 PM

View Postdom20, on 25 October 2012 - 10:45 PM, said:

p.202. His name is Scott Holmgren and was, according to Gordon Cooper,  
not the son but the son-in law of Wendell Welling. He was in his thirties in
1978, which means that he should be +/- 70 yr old today, if still alive.
There are several people called Scott Holmgren in the U.S., but none in
Utah.

Welcome to UM, dom20.
And thanks for the added info.


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Posted 26 October 2012 - 02:38 PM

View PostPaxus, on 16 June 2011 - 12:18 PM, said:

Isn't it weird that when such amazing claims are made, especially from someone as respected or famous as Gordon Cooper, that they aren't investigated?!

What I find weird is how when serious investigations are made of major 'VIP UFOs', the results are covered up by UFO promoters and people can act as if they don't exist.

Check out my G. Cooper section at www.jamesoberg.com/ufo.html

You don't have to agree with it. But you owe yourself some sharp slaps to the face about your silly assumption that just because you never heard of some research, it can't exist and you can make false fun of people for never having performed it.

Wise up.

To some degree, though, you may have tripped over the same principal I developed some years ago. It is correct to say that reports from famous people are not investigated -- by the UFO believers, who fear risking finding explanatikons thay want to not know about.

So they never check, or verify. They keep their eyes and minds closed to potential prosaic explanations, to avoid harming the propaganda value of the raw reports.  They just demand that famous people be automatically believed.

Was that what you were arguing?


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Posted 26 October 2012 - 02:41 PM

View PostSolarPlexus, on 16 June 2011 - 12:57 PM, said:

Yeah man, but its easier to judge and condemn then put effort into research and open your mind... so maybe it doesn't surprise me that much. There is a lot of NASA personnel (remember my Astronauts talk about UFOs thread) who made claims and reported stuff but people just ridicule them. It's funny how someone who is a national hero one day, is ridiculed as a 'nut' afterwards ...

Nope, people DO investigate the stories, find that many were pure inventions of UFO writers, others were honest misperceptions of prosaic phenomena, etc etc, and publish their results. People like YOU seem then to close their minds and ridicule research whose results they fear to believe. It's easier to judge and reject research results that threaten beliefs that you enjoy holding because they make you feel smarter than other people. Is that what you are doing?


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Posted 26 October 2012 - 04:48 PM

View PostJimOberg, on 26 October 2012 - 02:38 PM, said:

What I find weird is how when serious investigations are made of major 'VIP UFOs', the results are covered up by UFO promoters and people can act as if they don't exist.

Check out my G. Cooper section at www.jamesoberg.com/ufo.html


With all respect for which you might be due, you ain't no Gordon Cooper.  Not even close.

(Careful of that link, btw...I clicked it and my anti-self-serving-disinformation-book-hawker/erectile-pill-popup-ad software went nuts)


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Posted 26 October 2012 - 04:52 PM

View Posthacktorp, on 26 October 2012 - 04:48 PM, said:

With all respect for which you might be due, you ain't no Gordon Cooper.  Not even close.
(Careful of that link, btw...I clicked it and my anti-self-serving-disinformation-book-hawker/erectile-pill-popup-ad software went nuts)

is there really any need to be that disrespectful?

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