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#1    Socio

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Posted 17 June 2011 - 11:19 PM

Argentine leader says UK 'arrogant' over Falklands

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She was speaking a day after UK Prime Minister David Cameron said the issue of sovereignty was non-negotiable.

President Fernandez called his refusal to hold talks on the sovereignty of the Falklands, or Malvinas, arrogant and bordering on stupidity.

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Last week Washington called on Britain and Argentina to negotiate over the Falklands' sovereignty.

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The Americans' reference to the islands by their Argentinian name - the Malvinas - didn't "leave too much doubt about which way the wind may be blowing", he said.

Obama wants Israel gives up it's sovereignty now he is going after the UK and the Falklands wanting to them to give up theirs?


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Posted 17 June 2011 - 11:44 PM

The only ones with a legit vote in the matter here are the Falklanders, and I doubt they long to go back to Argentina.

All rest is pure saber rattling.

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Posted 18 June 2011 - 01:47 PM

How can the Falkland Islands "go back" to Argentina?  They have never been Argentinian, apart from briefly in 1982 when Argentina, led by a brutal, murderous dictator, invaded them but it didn't take long for Britain to get them back.

Argentina should just bugger off.

Either that or there should be another referendum on the islands to let the people decide whether they want to be British or Argentinian, and we know which way they will vote.  That would be the perfect opportunity for the islanders themselves to tell the Argies to bugger off.

Edited by Blackwhite, 18 June 2011 - 01:50 PM.


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Posted 18 June 2011 - 01:53 PM

View PostBlackwhite, on 18 June 2011 - 01:47 PM, said:

How can the Falkland Islands "go back" to Argentina?  They have never been Argentinian, apart from briefly in 1982 when Argentina, led by a brutal, murderous dictator, invaded them but it didn't take long for Britain to get them back.

Argentina should just bugger off.

Either that or there should be another referendum on the islands to let the people decide whether they want to be British or Argentinian, and we know which way they will vote.  That would be the perfect opportunity for the islanders themselves to tell the Argies to bugger off.

In view of the considerable riches that could possibly be found there (though so far all that came up was a blank) I could imagine the Falklanders wanting to be independent in a referendum.

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Posted 18 June 2011 - 01:58 PM

I cannot see the Falkland Islanders voting for independence.  Every referendum so far they have voted absolutely overwhelmingly to remain British and I can't see that changing any time soon.

But, if the Falkland Islanders do vote for independence then I'll accept that, and so will Britain.  Unlike Argentina, which wants the islands no matter what the islanders think, Britain respects the democratic will of the Falkland Islanders.

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Posted 18 June 2011 - 02:03 PM

View PostBlackwhite, on 18 June 2011 - 01:58 PM, said:

I cannot see the Falkland Islanders voting for independence.  Every referendum so far they have voted absolutely overwhelmingly to remain British and I can't see that changing any time soon.

But, if the Falkland Islanders do vote for independence then I'll accept that, and so will Britain.  Unlike Argentina, which wants the islands no matter what the islanders think, Britain respects the democratic will of the Falkland Islanders.

In an earlier referendum they knew that if they want to keep their living standard Britain is the only option they have. If they only find half the amount of oil as in the North Sea around the Falklands that will change in a heartbeat.

In the world of realities flag waving is for those who don't have anything better to do with their lives. At the end all that counts is quality of living and the unwillingness to share once you struck the Bonanza.

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Posted 18 June 2011 - 08:54 PM

1982: Conservative Government slashes defence spending and makes massive cuts in Royal Navy. Argentina decides it's their chance to have a go at the Islas Malvinas.

That burping sound you can hear is history repeating itself.
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Posted 18 June 2011 - 08:58 PM

View Post747400, on 18 June 2011 - 08:54 PM, said:

1982: Conservative Government slashes defence spending and makes massive cuts in Royal Navy. Argentina decides it's their chance to have a go at the Islas Malvinas.

That burping sound you can hear is history repeating itself.
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On the other hand, even with the massive cuts, Argentina still proves monumentally incapable of holding onto them.

I'll just wait for history to repeat itself in this too.

As for the US interference, since when do they have the right to tell two independent countries what they should do. Maybe we should encourage them to give back the entirety of North America to what's left of the native population.

Edited by Setton, 18 June 2011 - 09:00 PM.

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Posted 18 June 2011 - 09:19 PM

Of course the Argentinians missed their chance. If they had made their move whilst Labour were in power, Gordon would have given it up without a fight. Like he did with our gold reserves.

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Posted 19 June 2011 - 07:01 PM

I think at this moment in time we are very vulnerable and are playing a dangerous game hoping nothing happens within the next ten years and if anything does happen within the next ten years relying on our NATO, EU partners to come to our rescue. we'd struggle to do a Falklands II. we'd have a bloody good go, but would it be enough.

our ****ing navy and armed forces have been decimated.

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Posted 19 June 2011 - 09:22 PM

View Poststevewinn, on 19 June 2011 - 07:01 PM, said:

I think at this moment in time we are very vulnerable and are playing a dangerous game hoping nothing happens within the next ten years and if anything does happen within the next ten years relying on our NATO, EU partners to come to our rescue. we'd struggle to do a Falklands II. we'd have a bloody good go, but would it be enough.

our ****ing navy and armed forces have been decimated.

Not strictly true as we've lost less than ten percent (just a pet hate of mine, don't worry about it).

Anyway, just because we've lost 7000 from the army, it doesn't mean we'd lose a war with Argentina. I'm not sure how large the Argentine army is but we still have ~95000 service personnel in the army alone. The navy has lost 5000 which leaves us with ~33000 regulars plus volunteers and reserves.

I'm pretty sure Argentina would lose again.

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Posted 19 June 2011 - 09:54 PM

youre also forgetting when we fight we rarly fight as a country as we are commonwealth so we always have fijians canadians etc to be called upon if the goverments agree and the queen asks upon it


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Posted 20 June 2011 - 10:56 AM

we just about won the last Falklands war. if those Argentinian pilots used the weapons correctly - such as the unexploded bombs we'd have had lost a lot more ships. like in any war you need a bit of luck. such luck happened when the container ship ATLANTIC CONVEYOR got hit instead of our carrier. if it would have been the other way around we'd have lost.

obviously this time around the argies are weaker than they were then, but so are we, lets not forget Argentinas possible allies, Brazil and Venezuela, Hugo Charvez is on the record stating if Argentina was to invade the Falklands Venezuela would prevent the British navy entering the south Atlantic. also Brazil they are already being funny about not allowing ships to to dock if bound for the Falklands.

HMS Alacrity - slightly damaged by bomb near misses
HMS Arrow - slightly damaged by cannon fire
HMS Glamorgan - slightly damaged by bomb near misses, all off Stanley by Daggers of FAA Grupo 6.

Tuesday 4th May

HMS SHEFFIELD - mortally damaged south east of Falklands by Exocet missile fired by Super
Etendard of CANA 2 Esc. Burnt out and sank in tow on Monday 10th May.

Wednesday 12th May

HMS Glasgow - moderately damaged off Stanley by unexploded bomb (1) dropped by A-4B Skyhawks of FAA Grupo 5. Bomb passed through hull but damage took some days to repair and she shortly returned to UK.

Friday 21st May

HMS Antrim
- seriously damaged in Falkland Sound outside San Carlos Water by unexploded bomb (2) dropped by Daggers of FAA Grupo 6. UXB removed but damage took some days to repair.

HMS Broadsword - slightly damaged outside San Carlos Water by cannon fire from Daggers of Grupo 6.

HMS Argonaut
- slightly damaged outside San Carlos Water by rockets and cannon fire from Aermacchi MB.339A of CANA 1 Esc, and then seriously damaged by two unexploded bombs (3/4) dropped by A-4B Skyhawks of FAA Grupo 5. Removing the UXB's and carrying out repairs took a number of days and although declared operational, she soon sailed for the UK.

HMS Brilliant
- slightly damaged outside San Carlos Water by cannon fire from Daggers of Grupo 6. (Different attack from "Broadsword")

HMS ARDENT - badly damaged in Grantham Sound by bombs - hits, UXB's (5+) and near misses - dropped by Daggers of Grupo 6, then mortally damaged by bombs from A-4Q Skyhawks of CANA 3 Esc off North West Island. Sank the following evening.

Sunday 23rd May


HMS ANTELOPE
- damaged in San Carlos Water by two unexploded bombs (6/7) dropped by A-4B Skyhawks of Grupo 5. One of the bombs exploded that evening while being defused and she caught fire and sank next day.

Monday 24th May

RFA Sir Galahad - damaged by unexploded bomb (8) and out of action for some days,

RFA Sir Lancelot - damaged by unexploded bomb (9) and not fully operational for almost three weeks,

RFA Sir Bedivere - slightly damaged by glancing bomb, all in San Carlos Water probably by A-4C Skyhawks of FAA Grupo 4.  

Tuesday 25th May


HMS Broadsword - damaged north of Pebble Island by bomb from A-4B Skyhawk of Grupo 5 bouncing up through her stern and out again to land in the sea.

HMS COVENTRY - sunk north of Pebble Island in same attack by three bombs.

ATLANTIC CONVEYOR - mortally damaged north east of Falklands by Exocet missile fired by Super Etendard of CANA 2 Esc. Burnt out and later sank in tow.

Saturday 29th May

British Wye - hit north of South Georgia by bomb dropped by C-130 Hercules of FAA Grupo 1 which bounced into the sea without exploding

Tuesday 8th June

HMS Plymouth - damaged in Falkland Sound off San Carlos Water by four unexploded bombs (10-13) from Daggers of FAA Grupo 6.

RFA SIR GALAHAD - mortally damaged off Fitzroy by bombs from A-4B Skyhawks of Grupo 5 and burnt out. Later in June towed out to sea and sunk as a war grave.

RFA Sir Tristram - badly damaged off Fitzroy in same attack and abandoned, but later returned to UK and repaired.

HMS Fearless - sunk in Choiseul Sound by bomb from A-4B Skyhawk of Grupo 5.

Saturday 12th June


HMS Glamorgan - damaged off Stanley by land-based Exocet missile.

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Posted 20 June 2011 - 11:18 AM

View Poststevewinn, on 20 June 2011 - 10:56 AM, said:

we just about won the last Falklands war. if those Argentinian pilots used the weapons correctly - such as the unexploded bombs we'd have had lost a lot more ships. like in any war you need a bit of luck. such luck happened when the container ship ATLANTIC CONVEYOR got hit instead of our carrier. if it would have been the other way around we'd have lost.

obviously this time around the argies are weaker than they were then, but so are we, lets not forget Argentinas possible allies, Brazil and Venezuela, Hugo Charvez is on the record stating if Argentina was to invade the Falklands Venezuela would prevent the British navy entering the south Atlantic. also Brazil they are already being funny about not allowing ships to to dock if bound for the Falklands.

HMS Alacrity - slightly damaged by bomb near misses
HMS Arrow - slightly damaged by cannon fire
HMS Glamorgan - slightly damaged by bomb near misses, all off Stanley by Daggers of FAA Grupo 6.

Tuesday 4th May

HMS SHEFFIELD - mortally damaged south east of Falklands by Exocet missile fired by Super
Etendard of CANA 2 Esc. Burnt out and sank in tow on Monday 10th May.

Wednesday 12th May

HMS Glasgow - moderately damaged off Stanley by unexploded bomb (1) dropped by A-4B Skyhawks of FAA Grupo 5. Bomb passed through hull but damage took some days to repair and she shortly returned to UK.

Friday 21st May

HMS Antrim
- seriously damaged in Falkland Sound outside San Carlos Water by unexploded bomb (2) dropped by Daggers of FAA Grupo 6. UXB removed but damage took some days to repair.

HMS Broadsword - slightly damaged outside San Carlos Water by cannon fire from Daggers of Grupo 6.

HMS Argonaut
- slightly damaged outside San Carlos Water by rockets and cannon fire from Aermacchi MB.339A of CANA 1 Esc, and then seriously damaged by two unexploded bombs (3/4) dropped by A-4B Skyhawks of FAA Grupo 5. Removing the UXB's and carrying out repairs took a number of days and although declared operational, she soon sailed for the UK.

HMS Brilliant
- slightly damaged outside San Carlos Water by cannon fire from Daggers of Grupo 6. (Different attack from "Broadsword")

HMS ARDENT - badly damaged in Grantham Sound by bombs - hits, UXB's (5+) and near misses - dropped by Daggers of Grupo 6, then mortally damaged by bombs from A-4Q Skyhawks of CANA 3 Esc off North West Island. Sank the following evening.

Sunday 23rd May


HMS ANTELOPE
- damaged in San Carlos Water by two unexploded bombs (6/7) dropped by A-4B Skyhawks of Grupo 5. One of the bombs exploded that evening while being defused and she caught fire and sank next day.

Monday 24th May

RFA Sir Galahad - damaged by unexploded bomb (8) and out of action for some days,

RFA Sir Lancelot - damaged by unexploded bomb (9) and not fully operational for almost three weeks,

RFA Sir Bedivere - slightly damaged by glancing bomb, all in San Carlos Water probably by A-4C Skyhawks of FAA Grupo 4.  

Tuesday 25th May


HMS Broadsword - damaged north of Pebble Island by bomb from A-4B Skyhawk of Grupo 5 bouncing up through her stern and out again to land in the sea.

HMS COVENTRY - sunk north of Pebble Island in same attack by three bombs.

ATLANTIC CONVEYOR - mortally damaged north east of Falklands by Exocet missile fired by Super Etendard of CANA 2 Esc. Burnt out and later sank in tow.

Saturday 29th May

British Wye - hit north of South Georgia by bomb dropped by C-130 Hercules of FAA Grupo 1 which bounced into the sea without exploding

Tuesday 8th June

HMS Plymouth - damaged in Falkland Sound off San Carlos Water by four unexploded bombs (10-13) from Daggers of FAA Grupo 6.

RFA SIR GALAHAD - mortally damaged off Fitzroy by bombs from A-4B Skyhawks of Grupo 5 and burnt out. Later in June towed out to sea and sunk as a war grave.

RFA Sir Tristram - badly damaged off Fitzroy in same attack and abandoned, but later returned to UK and repaired.

HMS Fearless - sunk in Choiseul Sound by bomb from A-4B Skyhawk of Grupo 5.

Saturday 12th June


HMS Glamorgan - damaged off Stanley by land-based Exocet missile.

Yes, Argentina has allies but so do we. The only way I think we might lose is if the US interferes on Argentina's side. Even then, we'd have a chance since they'd be behaving undemocratically and would lose all their own support.

I'm not sure what the list of damaged sips was for. Maybe I missed something. On the other hand, we really do give ships awesome names :P

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Posted 24 June 2011 - 05:49 PM

View PostSetton, on 18 June 2011 - 08:58 PM, said:


As for the US interference, since when do they have the right to tell two independent countries what they should do. Maybe we should encourage them to give back the entirety of North America to what's left of the native population.

Asking the two countries to discuss their problem is hardly interfering, let's not over react here.





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