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Mekorig, on 19 February 2012 - 02:45 PM, said:

Yes, civilized. We went trough a military dictatorship, and the military action taken was their action to try to salvage their regime (of course that the people all cheered during the invasion, all population do). We are a democracy, we were a democracy and will keep beign a civilized democracy. And the democratic way is to solve it trough diplomacy.

The Argentines should thank the British for bringing down their military dictatorship.

[Mekorig]

Flibbertigibbet, on 19 February 2012 - 04:36 PM, said:

The Argentines should thank the British for bringing down their military dictatorship.

The Junta was already falling by its own weight and incompetence. Never put a military to manage a country, never.

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Mekorig, on 19 February 2012 - 05:54 PM, said:

The Junta was already falling by its own weight and incompetence. Never put a military to manage a country, never.

We hastened its downfall by perhaps years. How much thanks do we get for that?

[Mekorig]

Flibbertigibbet, on 19 February 2012 - 05:56 PM, said:

We hastened its downfall by perhaps years. How much thanks do we get for that?

You are giving your country too much importance. Again, the Junta was on its last straws. If it wasnt in the `83 it would be in the `84.

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Mekorig, on 19 February 2012 - 06:06 PM, said:

You are giving your country too much importance. Again, the Junta was on its last straws. If it wasnt in the `83 it would be in the `84.

Pity it decided to kill hundreds of British people before it went, then.

[ealdwita]

Just a month after I retired, a battalion of my old regiment (7th.Gurkha Rifles) were sent out to the Falklands, where they saw action at Mount William. The Argies didn't like them one little bit! So jog on Manuel, or you could end up getting another smacked bottom!

[stevewinn]

Mr Right Wing, on 19 February 2012 - 09:54 AM, said:

Blockading ships from the Falklands is itself an act of war.

If I was PM Beurnos Aires would already be radioactive rubble.

the banning of ships. i loved the fact that Paraguay also agreed to ban ships docking, yet they are a landlocked country.

[MichaelW]

Mekorig, on 19 February 2012 - 02:45 PM, said:

Yes, civilized. We went trough a military dictatorship, and the military action taken was their action to try to salvage their regime (of course that the people all cheered during the invasion, all population do). We are a democracy, we were a democracy and will keep beign a civilized democracy. And the democratic way is to solve it trough diplomacy.

Right. I'll believe a "civilized" Argentina when I see it.

[ExpandMyMind]

If Argentina gained control or the Falklands I have no doubt in my mind that they would be nuked, but only if the islands could not be won back through conventional war. Tony Blair stated over a decade ago that Britain would nuke non nuclear countries that used conventional weapons against us and I doubt the Tories feel any differently. They would never win a one on one war with us anyway. Even though it's possible they could give us a hard time.

I think the Falklands are the only aspect of British foreign policy I could ever agree with, even though the government has completely different motives behind defending them than they claim to, or that I do.

Also, even if a large deposit of oil was found there, the islanders would never turn their backs on Britain as someone earlier suggested. Even if they wanted to, they could not afford to, as it would mean losing British military and political support, paving the way for Argentina (if Britain even allowed the islanders independence, which I severely doubt they would, at least not straight away) to claim the islands and their riches.

Either way, the islanders had better realise soon that any oil found there will not be their own. That's one fantasy best let go of as soon as possible, to save disappointment in the future. The islands would simply just be another old style colony, ripe for elites to plunder the resources.

Edited by ExpandMyMind, 20 February 2012 - 02:37 PM.

[Corp]

acute alan, on 18 February 2012 - 10:05 PM, said:

How can the UK ever have a legitimate claim on The Falklands?

It is like Argentina claiming The Isle Of Wight!

However.... We are where we are, so it should be left to the Falklanders to decide on their allegiances.

The UK has a legitimate claim because they were one of the first settlers on the islands, along with Spain and France. They've also had control of the islands since 1833. I'd say that's a damn strong claim. Stronger than Argentina has.

And the Falklanders have decided on their allegiances, and they picked Britain.

[Mr Right Wing]

ExpandMyMind, on 20 February 2012 - 02:15 PM, said:

If Argentina gained control or the Falklands I have no doubt in my mind that they would be nuked, but only if the islands could not be won back through conventional war. Tony Blair stated over a decade ago that Britain would nuke non nuclear countries that used conventional weapons against us and I doubt the Tories feel any differently. They would never win a one on one war with us anyway. Even though it's possible they could give us a hard time.

I think the Falklands are the only aspect of British foreign policy I could ever agree with, even though the government has completely different motives behind defending them than they claim to, or that I do.

Also, even if a large deposit of oil was found there, the islanders would never turn their backs on Britain as someone earlier suggested. Even if they wanted to, they could not afford to, as it would mean losing British military and political support, paving the way for Argentina (if Britain even allowed the islanders independence, which I severely doubt they would, at least not straight away) to claim the islands and their riches.

Either way, the islanders had better realise soon that any oil found there will not be their own. That's one fantasy best let go of as soon as possible, to save disappointment in the future. The islands would simply just be another old style colony, ripe for elites to plunder the resources.

We should nuke if it happens again even if their forces can easily be beaten.

The reason is to deliver a 'shock' so they dont come back a third time.

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Mr Right Wing, on 20 February 2012 - 09:16 PM, said:

We should nuke if it happens again even if their forces can easily be beaten.

The reason is to deliver a 'shock' so they dont come back a third time.

You are seriously advocating killing hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians? If it happens again we should destroy completely their military and make sure it never recovers, not kill a massive amount of civilians. Jesus Christ man that' some Hitler **** right there.

[Corp]

ExpandMyMind, on 20 February 2012 - 09:21 PM, said:

You are seriously advocating killing hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians? If it happens again we should destroy completely their military and make sure it never recovers, not kill a massive amount of civilians. Jesus Christ man that' some Hitler **** right there.

Typical internet tough guy. Best to just roll your eyes and ignore the foolishness.

Edited by Corp, 20 February 2012 - 10:10 PM.

[ExpandMyMind]

Indeed, Corp.

[danydandan]

Blackwhite, on 18 June 2011 - 01:58 PM, said:

I cannot see the Falkland Islanders voting for independence.  Every referendum so far they have voted absolutely overwhelmingly to remain British and I can't see that changing any time soon.

But, if the Falkland Islanders do vote for independence then I'll accept that, and so will Britain.  Unlike Argentina, which wants the islands no matter what the islanders think, Britain respects the democratic will of the Falkland Islanders.

Lets be Honest , Britain has a history of taking what isn't theirs and no giving it back