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[Arbitran]

Simbi Laveau, on 23 July 2012 - 03:33 AM, said:

Reason number 276 ,why to not bother answering these questions,which sucks for the OP.
I've never seen a goertia demon,to my knowledge,but if you had gone and actually read any of their summoning forms,you would know why i said what i did.
And I HAVE seen "demons",more than once .
Just because you can't see them,doesn't mean other people are as boring.
And I've used goertia demons in my rituals. I'm particularly fond of Lerajie ,and one of my cats was named for Astaroth ,but I've been versed in goertia demons for over 20 years .

I find it interesting too that you claim to have "used goertia demons in [your] rituals", and yet you seem to be blissfully unaware of the fact that it is GOETIA, not "goertia". Where did the "R" come from? Did a demon put it there, perhaps?

[Flax IronMind]

Arbitran, on 23 July 2012 - 05:33 AM, said:

Actually, the Greek δαίμων (daimon) literally translates as "god, goddess, divinity, djinn". The Latin form is daemon.

oh thanks for the correction...

[Arbitran]

IMN, on 23 July 2012 - 09:24 AM, said:

oh thanks for the correction...

No problem. I just thought I'd note it.

[cateyes221981]

where is ruil getting his information from ? is there a documentary or some sorts? demons guardian angels? what the hell? what is the whole point of exorsisms then?

[Drums]

I believe in demons becuase I was brought up to believe them, through my christian faith.  As to what they look like, well if you are christian, they are actually angels that have fallen from Gods favor, so essentually they look like angels, infact Satan was considered one of the most beutiful angels that exists.  Once agian this is just a christian view, so I would say no you cannot trust a demon at all.  Now there are similarities to alot of demons and other faiths, such as the babelon God was a snake, and the fallen angel turned into a snake to fool Eve in eating the apple.  Also Lucifer is actually a pagan word for morning star, which corolates with Venus.  Once agian this is my belief as a christian, it does not mean that what I believe is complete truth, nor does it mean that it is false, it's what I believe, nothing more.  To all the people who keep chanting for proof, you know very well there isn't, however there is no proof that it doesn't exist either(comes down to the whole belief thing agian, you can either believe, or not, so don't push you're beliefs on others, and for the record, why are you on UM and in this form to begin with if you don't believe?).

[SSilhouette]

My $.02

Demons are merely predatory beings who feed on the release of human energy.  This energy is best released through emotional outbursts and/or sustained fear.  As anyone knows, fear can be draining.  So can strife.  So what do we find in homes possessed by demons, or for that matter, people associated *[*more on that below] with them?  Strife and fear.

I think they are just beings who devour energy.  Parasites.  They excell in reading the human mind and playing it like a fiddle to elicit fear and strife.  Then they set the table and feast.  Adolescent people are the most "attractive" to them because adolescents are like ripe fruit: abundant with excess energy and most definitely capable of creating strife in their own lives and the lives of their family members.  The perfect target for the most bounty.

Actual full-blown possessions are quite bombasitic.  * But on an everyday basis, demons follow the footsteps and thoughts of men everywhere they go on a much more subtle scale.  They attach themselves to people through their vulnerabilities.  And they waylay well laid plans by exquisitely subtle coercion at times.  The best description of this I've ever seen is a book called The Screwtape Letters.  It's about a seasoned demon schooling his nephew in the art of snagging human souls through devious influence.

The solution to get rid of them is to starve them out by developing a strong light spiritual stance and to laugh at them in a nonchalant way.  And to mean it.  Create lighthearted chat and jokes about their presence in your life.  Ban together with others affected by them and all have a good giggle at their expense.  It's like pouring water on a fire.  When you realize they are just parasites feeding off of emotional outbursts, it shrinks them down to what they really are.

I should add something more here.  If a possession has been longstanding, the entity will be quite spoiled and lazy.  Like a child who is having its free-cookie supply threatened, it will lash out quite amazingly at first.  That is because having been fed for so long, so well, it is strong, healthy and fat.  This is why most exorcisims fail and the offender comes back.  Intially the light energy used to drive it away dissipates as the family goes back to old ruts.  It is up to the family themselves to develop not just a temporary spirituality, but a permanent one.  Longstanding possessions are difficult because the demon knows everyone's every thought.  This is why you can't just talk the talk.  You have to walk the walk.  You also have to solicit aide from invisible forces of light beings to help you maintain your starvation vigil.  Have the strongest members of your family create a bubble of golden light energy like a globe, surrounding each member of the family, the property, the possessions, friends, pets etc. [because they will attack you through surrogates if they have to].  Do this by simple meditation in a place not in the center of strife.  Maintain this invisible structure through regular meditation.  Over time, your spoiled brat will start to get skinny, and weaker.  Just keep it up and eventually it will go off in search of easier pickin's.

Edited by SSilhouette, 20 August 2012 - 04:30 PM.

[Etu Malku]

The reality of dæmons is not quite as romantic as one would wish I'm afraid.
Dæmons along with angels, devils, gods, djinn, etc. are all ancient archetypal imagery embedded deep within our unconsciousness and brought to the surface consciousness through symbology. We create them, we empower them, we destroy them.

[SSilhouette]

Well to be fair, we create all that we see through intending.  Otherwise the world would be chaotic and shifting, like it is for infants before they have been guided in what to select to perceive and what to discard...including the presence of other beings in our dimension..

But now that we're here, we need practical advice for dealing with what we've created.  The problem is that no one individual created this matrix.  We all have, and others.  So it really is "real" in that sense because there is a fierce and unbending intent to maintain the status quo.  That being said, refer to my last post.

[P4UL N0153]

SSilhouette, on 20 August 2012 - 04:18 PM, said:

Demons are merely predatory beings who feed on the release of human energy.  This energy is best released through emotional outbursts and/or sustained fear.  

I think they are just beings who devour energy.

What energy, exactly, are they feeding on? Is it radiant? Light? Kinetic?

[Etu Malku]

Maestro, on 20 August 2012 - 06:16 PM, said:

What energy, exactly, are they feeding on? Is it radiant? Light? Kinetic?

Being demons have escaped scientific analysis so far . . . your guess is as good as mine

[SSilhouette]

""What energy, exactly, are they feeding on? Is it radiant? Light? Kinetic?"

For some reason the quote feature doesn't work on the reply clipboard?  Anyway, to answer the question:

I don't know other than the type of energy that can be photographed around people?  Aura?  Matter is energy so perhaps this is a question for physicists?  All I know is that we are energetic beings.  You know how it feels to be low on energy, drained.  The metabolic process of our cells creates energy that we use to move around.  Where does that energy go?  How is it channeled?  Maybe they know more about this than we do?

[P4UL N0153]

SSilhouette, on 21 August 2012 - 01:46 AM, said:

""What energy, exactly, are they feeding on? Is it radiant? Light? Kinetic?"

For some reason the quote feature doesn't work on the reply clipboard?  Anyway, to answer the question:

I don't know other than the type of energy that can be photographed around people?  Aura?  Matter is energy so perhaps this is a question for physicists?  All I know is that we are energetic beings.  You know how it feels to be low on energy, drained.  The metabolic process of our cells creates energy that we use to move around.  Where does that energy go?  How is it channeled?  Maybe they know more about this than we do?

Well, that's the problem then, isn't it? You say they feed off of energy, which would make them beings of energy, which is somethig we can measure. But you don't really have any data to back it up, your only explanation is that maybe they are something we don't know about...

This being the case, how can you to say that although there is no empirical evidence to suggest that they exist, no way or confirming or susbstantiating any of the claims to the affirmative, you still believe 100% that they exist?

Edited by Maestro, 21 August 2012 - 02:33 PM.

[SSilhouette]

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Well, that's the problem then, isn't it? You say they feed off of energy, which would make them beings of energy, which is somethig we can measure. But you don't really have any data to back it up, your only explanation is that maybe they are something we don't know about..

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No problem at all.  You're assuming we know all there is to know.  Which of course we don't.  Your deductions remind me of people who deduced the world was flat because the horizon looked flat.  How do we know they exist?  Hmm... I'm tempted to tell you to get an Ouji board, and summon a demon up in your home; and wait.  When the pots and pans start flying around the house and you find your pet cat suspened in the air by it's tail with nothing attached to it, then perhaps you'll believe the thousands of accounts through history of same or similar happenings.

These people afflicted are really suffering.  So for the sake of a pragmatic remedy, we suspend belief or disbelief temporarily and offer whatever we can to ease their suffering...whatever works.  Like medicine.  There was a time too when bacteria didn't exist because nobody could "measure" them.  Then came the microscope.  In the future perhaps we can use things we don't even know about now to see other beings.  Like tuning into a radio station we only have one channel for so far.

[ealdwita]

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Edited by ealdwita, 21 August 2012 - 04:17 PM.

[P4UL N0153]

SSilhouette, on 21 August 2012 - 04:03 PM, said:

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No problem at all.  You're assuming we know all there is to know.  Which of course we don't.  Your deductions remind me of people who deduced the world was flat because the horizon looked flat.  How do we know they exist?  Hmm... I'm tempted to tell you to get an Ouji board, and summon a demon up in your home; and wait.  When the pots and pans start flying around the house and you find your pet cat suspened in the air by it's tail with nothing attached to it, then perhaps you'll believe the thousands of accounts through history of same or similar happenings.

These people afflicted are really suffering.  So for the sake of a pragmatic remedy, we suspend belief or disbelief temporarily and offer whatever we can to ease their suffering...whatever works.  Like medicine.  There was a time too when bacteria didn't exist because nobody could "measure" them.  Then came the microscope.  In the future perhaps we can use things we don't even know about now to see other beings.  Like tuning into a radio station we only have one channel for so far.

Well, without getting into it too much, no one really believed the world was flat. Sailors have known for thousands of years that the earth is not flat. Most people, actually, knew that. 12.2 miles is the horizon, and sailors would notice the mast of ships being visible although the boat wasn't any longer, for a very long time. In essence, the whole, "people thought the earth was flat" thing is a phallacy.

Also, I have used, and continue to use Ouija boards fairly regularly as a party game, and to show people how they don't work. Just for s&g, try blindfolding someone and asking them to use it (hint: it all comes out as gibberish). I have never in all my years had one negative experience with a Ouija board, nor have any of the people I have used one with.

While I agree that science is not some oracle that has the answers to everything, it is the best tool we as human beings have for understanding causality.

The problem, as it were, with trying to explain something for which no evidence exists, by using evidentiary terms, is that you have to find external validation for something that is by and large an internally held belief. Or to be less prosaic, trying to explain something which has no physical prescence, by using terms which describe the physical world, is, by definition, impossible. To say that demons are energy beings that feed off of energy, but some type of unknown energy that can neither been seen or measured, falls into the realm of myth, not fact.

Edited by Maestro, 21 August 2012 - 05:59 PM.