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[Juuri]

Hey guys,

A friend of mine told me to watch this movie that she found on Youtube. It's called 'ZEITGEIST, The Movie - Remastered / Final Edition - Full Production. What does Christianity, 9/11 and The Federal Reserve all have in common?'

So I watched the movie and was quite facinated, also a bit scared on the thought about the one world goverment.. I was wondering what you guys think of it.

Here are the links, there are 14 parts that shows the whole movie. Tell me what you think of it!

Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
Part 4
Part 5
Part 6
Part 7
Part 8
Part 9
Part 10
Part 11
Part 12
Part 13
Part 14

[SolarPlexus]

Is this the first movie ?

[Tesla II]

I dont wanna! Those videos got me here to UM lol . Because i watched it i wanted more answers why things are as they are... Its weird why this kind of videos arent banned in modern world, its thruth propaganda. And yes its abit scary and edgey and maybe abit hard to understand to some people ( i didnt understand anything in previous video of banking and debts, and i understand english very good ). Anyways watch that at your own responsibility ...its too open...

[Juuri]

SolarPlexus, on 29 June 2011 - 08:08 PM, said:

Is this the first movie ?

I think so but I'm not sure here is the website :http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

[Juuri]

Nuke_em, on 29 June 2011 - 08:14 PM, said:

I dont wanna! Those videos got me here to UM lol . Because i watched it i wanted more answers why things are as they are... Its weird why this kind of videos arent banned in modern world, its thruth propaganda. And yes its abit scary and edgey and maybe abit hard to understand to some people ( i didnt understand anything in previous video of banking and debts, and i understand english very good ). Anyways watch that at your own responsibility ...its too open...

Lol same here. I found the banking part a bit confusing since my english isn't so good but I agree with you it is too open XD

[SlimJim22]

Nuke_em, on 29 June 2011 - 08:14 PM, said:

I dont wanna! Those videos got me here to UM lol . Because i watched it i wanted more answers why things are as they are... Its weird why this kind of videos arent banned in modern world, its thruth propaganda. And yes its abit scary and edgey and maybe abit hard to understand to some people ( i didnt understand anything in previous video of banking and debts, and i understand english very good ). Anyways watch that at your own responsibility ...its too open...

Good for you. It has been the wake up call for many many people. All the movies offer different insights into the actuality of events kept below the surface.

I'm reallyb glad it has set you on a quest for knowledge as that is what it is really about. Do not be a consumer, a follower and a spectator... Be a creator, a producer, a leader and an actor. Our rulers are not acting in our interests and have done so very little throughout history so it is finally time for the people to stand up and evolve individually and collectively to a new order independent and alternative to the current state. Zeitgeist is a valuable tool in identifying the practices that have been used to keep us bound, confused and apathetic. Good luck to you.  

[SolarPlexus]

The first movie opened my eyes too

[Rafterman]

SlimJim22, on 30 June 2011 - 10:21 AM, said:

Good for you. It has been the wake up call for many many people. All the movies offer different insights into the actuality of events kept below the surface.

I'm reallyb glad it has set you on a quest for knowledge as that is what it is really about. Do not be a consumer, a follower and a spectator... Be a creator, a producer, a leader and an actor. Our rulers are not acting in our interests and have done so very little throughout history so it is finally time for the people to stand up and evolve individually and collectively to a new order independent and alternative to the current state. Zeitgeist is a valuable tool in identifying the practices that have been used to keep us bound, confused and apathetic. Good luck to you.  

And in your "quest for knowledge" it's important to study all sides of an argument.  I'm sure you'd agree with me Slim.

So what are skeptics and those critical of Zeitgeist saying?  Here's a sample - you can read it or download it in podcast form.

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4196

After all, someone might lable you a "sheeple" if you only took your information from a single source and didn't include all sides in your "quest for knowledge".

Right?

[jugoso]

Rafterman, on 30 June 2011 - 02:46 PM, said:

And in your "quest for knowledge" it's important to study all sides of an argument.
Right?

Absolutely. Factual innaccuracies aside, Zeitgeist is a movie that does bring another side to the argument. A side that most people were never aware of. It forces them to begin to question the only side of the argument they know, the one that mainstream media and educational system propogate. Then they start to wonder why?
    Good luck on your quest for your truth. Look below the surface and then lower still. Investigate all claims to the best of your ability. And donīt be bullied by others!

[SlimJim22]

Rafterman, on 30 June 2011 - 02:46 PM, said:

And in your "quest for knowledge" it's important to study all sides of an argument.  I'm sure you'd agree with me Slim.

So what are skeptics and those critical of Zeitgeist saying?  Here's a sample - you can read it or download it in podcast form.

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4196

After all, someone might lable you a "sheeple" if you only took your information from a single source and didn't include all sides in your "quest for knowledge".

Right?

Agreed! The arguments in Zeitgeist 1 are extremely onesided but the points are there to be made with cults of the dying gods and Sarapis in particular. It is just way more complex and mysterious than any mainstream scholar would have us believe. There is much the movie does not touch on but it does a decent enough job of raising awareness, you just should not set your watch  by any of the information but go and discover for yourself.

The fact is that there have been many heretical groups that have threatened the status quo and this is not accepted unless it is assimilated into the dominant culture. This is syncretism and what Christianity was based upon.

[Scott G]

Rafterman, on 30 June 2011 - 02:46 PM, said:

And in your "quest for knowledge" it's important to study all sides of an argument.  I'm sure you'd agree with me Slim.

So what are skeptics and those critical of Zeitgeist saying?  Here's a sample - you can read it or download it in podcast form.

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4196

After all, someone might lable you a "sheeple" if you only took your information from a single source and didn't include all sides in your "quest for knowledge".

Right?

Rafterman, I know that we've clashed in the past, but just this once, I have to admit that that link was really interesting, atleast for the first part concerning religion. However, when it comes to the second part, I'm not impressed by their arguments against Zeitgeist's case, mainly because I've studied 9/11 for years and can easily see that what he's doing there is a game of incredulity; that is, "this can't possibly be true because it goes against my mindset of what must be true". I'll use his very first criticism regarding this part of Zeitgeist to illustrate my point:

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General Ahmed was formally the head of the Inter-Services Intelligence in Pakistan[1]. The film alleges that General Ahmed wired $100,000 to Mohammad Atta. I went to try and track this down, but I only found such an accusation listed on other conspiracy sites. I finally found the original source on The Times of India web site[2]. I cannot find any other substantial source on the subject. Due to the fact that it was written by an Indian, I have to doubt the article's truthfulness even more, considering there is a long standing animosity between Indians and Pakistanis. At this time, no Wikipedia articles mention such a transaction except the General Ahmed article[3]. Several conspiracy sites say that the money was given on September 10, 2001. I just have to wonder why someone that is committing suicide the next day would need $100,000. It was also hard to find information on a breakfast between General Ahmad and "government officials". I finally tracked down a few places, nearly all were known tabloids that also said General Ahmed was also Mohammad Atta's bagman, but we already discussed that. It may have taken a while but I did find an article from the Washington Post about such a breakfast taking place[4], but again the claims seem a bit iffy, considering there were absolutely no news sources at the time that report such a breakfast taking place, only within the next year did such accusations surface -- and overall it seems a bit illogical, why would the organizers of the most massive conspiracy to cover up the largest terrorist attack in history, meet for breakfast on the morning before it happened, you would think they would avoid each other.

skeptoid assumes that an article from an "Indian" shouldn't be trusted; note how he strips the fact that it isn't just from an "Indian", it's from an Indian -newspaper-. The only reason he gives for not trusting the article is that India has a long standing animosity with Pakistan and since the author is Indian he'll just state the party line. So does this mean that we should never trust anything that the U.S. has to say about anything it has to say about Bin Laden and Al Qaeda as well? Wait, wait, there are differing views in the U.S. as to countries and Bin Laden's role in 9/11. Perhaps India also isn't as uniform as he would have us believe? But it goes further then this. The India Times article makes certain claims, claims that certain government agencies have never denied. What claims? Let's see:

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India helped FBI trace ISI-terrorist links New Delhi: While the Pakistani Inter Services public relations  claimed that former ISI Director-General Lt-Gen Mahmud Ahmad sought  retirement after being superseded on Monday, the truth is more shocking.  Top sources confirmed here on Tuesday, that the General lost his job  because of the "evidence" India produced to show his links to one of the  suicide bombers that wrecked the World Trade Centre. The US authorities  sought his removal after confirming the fact that $100,000 were wired  to WTC hijacker Mohammed Atta from Pakistan by Ahmad Umar Sheikh at the  instance of Gen Mahumd.  

Senior government sources have confirmed that India contributed  significantly to establishing the link between the money transfer and  the role played by the dismissed ISI chief. While they did not provide  details, they said that Indian inputs, including Sheikh's mobile phone  number, helped the FBI in tracing and establishing the link.  

A direct link between the ISI and the WTC attack could have  enormous repercussions. The US cannot but suspect whether or not there  were other senior Pakistani army commanders who were in the know of  things. Evidence of a larger conspiracy could shake US confidence in  Pakistan's ability to participate in the anti-terrorism coalition.  

Indian officials say they are vitally interested in the  unravelling of the case since it could link the ISI directly to the  hijacking of the Indian Airlines Kathmandu-Delhi flight to Kandahar last  December.  

Ahmad Umar Sayeed Sheikh is a British national and a London School of  Economics graduate who was arrested by the police in Delhi following a  bungled 1994 kidnapping of four westerners, including an American  citizen.
http://timesofindia....t_id=1454238160

The India Times link is dead, but the source that I got this copy of it isn't: http://www.911myths....nds_the_attacks

I wouldn't be surprised if you've heard of the web site 911myths.com. After all, it's a site that generally supports the official story. And it does its best to do so regarding this piece of information as well. However, there are a -lot- of reports of Ahmad's involvement with Sayeed Sheikh, so much so that even 911myths admits the following at the end of the above article:
"...if we can trust Levy on his conversations with "people in Washington"  then at least we do have some confirmation of this story, outside of  India. And these tell us that Sheikh was in touch with Mahmoud Ahmad.  Whether that in itself proves that any particular action of Sheikh's was  "at the instance of Ahmad" is another matter, and as you might expect,  that's not a conclusion drawn by Levy's Washington contacts. But if you  accept that he spoke to knowledgeable people, and reliably reported what  they said, then it does provide a little extra credibility to the  background of the Ahmad-Sheikh-Atta story. Although proof, and even  consistency between the accounts, still seems a very long way off."

I certainly agree that more investigation is needed. That being said, this piece of evidence is much stronger then your web site suggests.

[Tatzelwurm]

The guy's case against part 1 of Zeitgeist was because Christian scholars said it wasn't true.    That is the response of a Christian fanatic, not as his mission statement claims,someone trying to advance science.

[Scott G]

Tatzelwurm, on 08 January 2012 - 04:46 AM, said:

The guy's case against part 1 of Zeitgeist was because Christian scholars said it wasn't true.    That is the response of a Christian fanatic, not as his mission statement claims,someone trying to advance science.

Yeah, I did notice there were some christian undertones there but didn't really pursue it. Well, I admit that religion is not something that I've read about as much as I have 9/11, and I've almost never discussed it with others, so I really don't feel qualified to defend this first part of Zeitgeist as much as I can the second part regarding 9/11.

[Babe Ruth]

Several of my friends have watched it and found it most interesting.

I could not make it through more than about 10 minutes.

[moosehead]

I liked this movie. Food for thought.