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#886    badeskov

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 02:05 AM

View Postbison, on 30 November 2011 - 04:20 PM, said:

Breaking his vow of silence, Frank Kimbler posted recently on the ATS forum. He was much more informative than usual; explaining the reasons for the delay in retesting his metal fragments, and giving a preliminary report on what has been learned recently.  He indicates that he wishes to have the proportions of the isotopes of  magnesium, aluminum, and possibly copper assayed. He seeks a precision of  0.1 % , and an error factor of the same size.  He adds that the weight of the proposed sample is just under 3 milligrams. As mentioned before, he seeks a certified lab.
 He reports that this combination of requirements has made it difficult to find  an appropriate lab to do the work, or to have it done in a  short period of time. An interesting situation. Given his specificity, it should be possible for someone knowledgeable in this area to check his claims against reality. Has he overstated, or overestimated the difficulties involved, or is his situation, as presented, reasonable?  If the former is the case, he needs to be advised of this and pointed in the direction of laboratories that could do this work in a timely manner.

Oh, and he doesn't need to specify that he needs magnesium, aluminum and possibly (??) copper assessed. If he does a mass spec he'll get everything that is in there - everything. Which any lab would tell him if he had actually asked a lab, certified or not. That kinda tells me that he hasn't asked a lab and his problems are not as real as he would like to make them out to be.

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 02:51 AM

View Postbadeskov, on 30 November 2011 - 10:51 PM, said:

Hi bison,

The short answer is no, his problems are not valid. Labs doing such routinely handle samples with a mass of tenths of micrograms, I.e. hundreds of times smaller than his proposed sample mass. And a 0.1% accuracy would be laughable. They are much, much better than that.

I'll see if I can find some numbers when I get home.

And the tests he requested are straight forward, no time penalty incurred anywhere.

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Thanks, Badeskov. I was afraid the answer would be something like that. Even a non-specialist like myself has a sense that things can be measured in micrograms these days, and can be detected in parts per billion. Was holding out the hope that this might not apply where isotope ratios were concerned. If you can supply information about specific certified labs that could do the work that Mr. Kimbler says he wants done, and in a timely manner, I will pass the information along to him. At this point, it doesn't seem too likely that he will make appropriate use of  such information, but I will afford him this one last benefit of the doubt  His silence when presented with this information, or continued excuses, would conclude the matter, as far as I am concerned.


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Posted 01 December 2011 - 03:03 AM

View Postbison, on 01 December 2011 - 02:51 AM, said:

Thanks, Badeskov. I was afraid the answer would be something like that. Even a non-specialist like myself has a sense that things can be measured in micrograms these days, and can be detected in parts per billion. Was holding out the hope that this might not apply where isotope ratios were concerned. If you can supply information about specific certified labs that could do the work that Mr. Kimbler says he wants done, and in a timely manner, I will pass the information along to him. At this point, it doesn't seem too likely that he will make appropriate use of  such information, but I will afford him this one last benefit of the doubt  His silence when presented with this information, or continued excuses, would conclude the matter, as far as I am concerned.

My pleasure bison, and I am sorry I could not be more positive. :(

There are many such materials analysis labs around, even a simple Google search will do. But here are a few:

http://www.labtesting.com/
http://lehightesting.com/
http://www.chemir.co...terials-testing
...

And the list goes on and on. Frankly, seek and you shall find.

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Posted 07 December 2011 - 03:59 PM

View Postpsyche101, on 29 November 2011 - 12:40 AM, said:

Today is more difficult due to the snake oil salesmen saturating the UFO field. I cannot possibly imagine any of these crackpots (David Icke etc.) holding an answer. I feel we need to clear that stale air to make a fresh approach to an age old conundrum, as older research has lead nowhere.

A friend of mine went to see David Icke in Cleveland and he (my friend) kept talking on and on about the wonderous David Icke. I decided to do some research on David Icke to find out what my friend found to be so "enlightening" ... scary stuff.

Check out this video i made: David Icke: Methods Of A Madman. It's a tad lengthy (25 minutes), but if you're fascinated by the very odd, you'll watch every minute.


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Posted 08 December 2011 - 01:35 AM

Remember these words "SNAK-OIL-SALESMAN" They do a lot of this on the internet ,AKA,e-bay,Craigslist,youtube,ect,ect,!
YOu can never replace real and quantifryed research ! :rolleyes:

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Posted 08 December 2011 - 01:38 AM

View PostPaul Rubino, on 07 December 2011 - 03:59 PM, said:

A friend of mine went to see David Icke in Cleveland and he (my friend) kept talking on and on about the wonderous David Icke. I decided to do some research on David Icke to find out what my friend found to be so "enlightening" ... scary stuff.

Check out this video i made: David Icke: Methods Of A Madman. It's a tad lengthy (25 minutes), but if you're fascinated by the very odd, you'll watch every minute.

I bet that was a night to remember!

Thank you very much for the link, I do not have sound right now, but I wil peruse later tonight.

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Posted 09 December 2011 - 12:05 AM

Unexplained Mysteries columnist: Paul Dale Roberts interviews Chuck Wade,unexplained mysteries  interviews Chuck Wade subject: UFO Crash Plains San Augustin New Mexico 1947

Edited by meteorlima, 09 December 2011 - 12:13 AM.


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Posted 18 July 2012 - 04:01 PM

German scientists create world's lightest material


German scientists have invented the world's lightest material - which is also strong, regains its shape after being squashed and even conducts electricity. Scientists believe the material will have a wide range of uses.

Aerographite made by scientists at Hamburg and Kiel universities, is 75 times lighter than polystyrene and four times lighter than the previous record holder for the world's lightest material.

The jet-black, carbon-based material is causing a stir in scientific circles across the world, wrote Die Welt newspaper on Tuesday.

“Our work is causing great discussions in the scientific community. Aerographite weights four times less than world-record-holder up to now,” co-author Matthias Mecklenburg, a PhD student at the Hamburg University of Technology told the paper.

http://www.thelocal....0718-43825.html

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 05:29 PM

I haven't read or heard any more about Frank Kimbler lately.  The whole things seems to have dropped off the radar.


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Posted 19 July 2012 - 05:55 AM

I have to admit, I am not shocked at this development ;)

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 01:16 AM

Oh no a new Roswell mystery material ! Next thing we will read is how the Germans have it locked up in an underground bunker somewhere !
Well 30 years ! IT never hurts to buy your stk options now ! "Aerographite" Kinda catchy name there  A new Wunderbar is soon on the shelfs !

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 06:23 AM

View PostDONTEATUS, on 20 July 2012 - 01:16 AM, said:

Oh no a new Roswell mystery material !

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 09:33 AM

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intrguing little document there mcrom...

AEC (atomic energy commission)

AFSWP (airforce / armed forces special weapon project)

4th Army.....?

local commanders perturbed by implications of phenomena....

:unsure2:


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Posted 12 November 2012 - 08:48 PM

View Postbee, on 12 November 2012 - 09:33 AM, said:

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intrguing little document there mcrom...

AEC (atomic energy commission)

AFSWP (airforce / armed forces special weapon project)

4th Army.....?

local commanders perturbed by implications of phenomena....

:unsure2:


This was one of the documents that led to the so-called Green Fireballs investigation, i.e. Project Twinkle.


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Posted 12 November 2012 - 09:14 PM

View Postbee, on 12 November 2012 - 09:33 AM, said:

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AEC (atomic energy commission)
[...]

... or maybe Aluminum Extruders Council, or Armoured a..aa...aaa...Echew..plumbers Center, or Army Environmental Command (US Army; formerly Army Environmental Center)? Guess latter. Just saying.

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