The Beast Revelation

[ephraim]

The Beast Revelation

This letter is dedicated to all Christians.

The following letter is a summary of Revelation 13. Its purpose is to show the method used in finding the conclusions which have been stated. Nothing new has been added from my previous letters. It is more of a compilation of them all. This writing is the same material in different words. The Bible uses this same method of explanation. There are four Gospels. In each you see a different view of the same material. This can be beneficial because the meaning becomes more exact. Although, if this is a first time reader, then this will all be news to you. With that in mind, here we go.

The first thing that should be addressed when doing any study of Bible prophecy is what questions do I intend to answer. Some of these questions can seem a little simplistic, but their answers are much more complicated. In my studies there were only a few questions that I saw as needing an answer. My questions were very simple. First, who is this individual who is identified by the number 666? Second, who is the false prophet and how does he make the whole world worship the beast whose number is 666. Another question has to do with these same individuals. Could these two individuals be the same person, or for that matter Satan himself? Where is Satan during all this? That last question is very important. It actually goes straight to the answer of all the questions. Finally, when would someone expect to see these individuals on the Earth? Literally, what time frame should I see them? Those are the questions. The answers are much more involved.

This narrative will attempt to show how the answers are figured out. These answers can be seen from events that happen in the nightly news. This leads me to a key, which most of us know, but most of us forget. The Bible is a history book. Some events have happened, while some are waiting to happen. It is the ones that have not happened that we are most concerned with. Here is another key. By the way, these keys I speak of are keys to understanding. The Lord spoke in parables. The reason he gave was that it was for some to know the mysteries of God, while it was for some to know not. In hearing, they do not hear. In seeing, they do not see. I compare it to telling the truth, while hiding it at the same time. Many of the parables that the Lord spoke he immediately gave an answer to. He showed how he used certain symbols and words to describe subjects and then gave their meanings. Now for the punch line. The Lord also spoke in parables that he did not identify. These parables go straight to the hidden meaning of these end times. Another key is word substitution. An example of this is a pretty well-known item from Revelation. This word substitution deals with Revelation 13:1. The beast has seven heads and ten horns. In Revelation 17 those heads and horns are defined. The heads are identified as mountains, while the horns are identified as kings. This changes the whole picture of what the beast is symbolically to what it is literally. Now Rev.13:1 can be read as follows with just the items discussed thus far. And I saw a beast rise up out of the sea having seven mountains and ten kings. That is a simple and easy word substitution. Know that this will happen many times throughout the Bible.

Now, getting back to the questions. The question is, where is Satan? If this question can be answered, you can eliminate some others. Some prophecy teachers believe that Satan is the beast, or that Satan is the false prophet. This interpretation is misleading, and it also creates a stumbling block in the path to a proper interpretation. I almost always get this question. How can you know who the beast is when he cannot be revealed? 2nd Thess. Chapter 2 states that he cannot be revealed, until something is removed first. Most scholars have this part right. That is a picture of the Rapture. What they have wrong is that Satan and the beast are not the same individual. Satan cannot be revealed until after the rapture, but he is not the beast. Therefore, I can identify the beast and his false prophet. People say prove it. So I did. I told them how to understand using the keys that I have mentioned. Revelation 13 is a parable, but God is not giving the definition, or the explanation. This one is for us to figure out. Ok, so where is Satan? In the book of Job, we get a view of Satan's abilities. In one scene, he is discussing with God about Job. Question, where is God? He is in heaven. Also, in his conversation with God Satan is talking as if he knows and has seen Job. God declares that he can do whatever he wants to Job, but he was not allowed to kill him. Now we know something else about Satan. He also has access to the Earth, and can affect peoples lives. So, it appears that Satan can be everywhere he wants to be, on Earth or in heaven. We know Satan and his angels will be cast out of heaven as per Revelation 12. This would further the idea that he is now in heaven. We also see Satan one other time, when he tempted Christ during his time on Earth. It says that he was taken to the wilderness to be tempted of Satan? Most people, and rightly so, have thought the wilderness to be a place on Earth, but this is a parable I believe. The Lord was in the wilderness and was tempted by Satan, but the wilderness is in heaven. This parable is read in Isaiah 35. It is the wilderness and the solitary place where the redeemed of the Lord walk. So, this last item being the most hard to prove, suffice it to say, that when Rev.12 says Satan will be cast out, he must be there in heaven to be cast out. Alright, now we can answer a couple questions. One, Satan is himself, and he is in heaven. Therefore, he is not the beast or the false prophet. These three work together, but each has his own identity.

Now to dissect Revelation 13. As I have already stated, Revelation 13 is a word substitution parable. The seven heads are seven mountains and the ten horns are ten kings. Ok, we know from this description that the beast as described is a group of possibly ten countries. This brings me to another point. There are three definitions for the beast in Revelation 13. The first is a group of countries rising up out of the sea. The second is in Rev.13:11 and is a beast with two horns (kings). Remember horns are kings as per Rev. 17. Finally, there is a beast who is identified by the number 666. It is this last beast that causes all to receive a mark and that no man can buy and sell save he who has the mark, his number, or his name. There are three items here. Nowhere does it say that the mark is the number 666. This might have been a good guess 20 yrs. ago , but it is pretty hard to believe. Imagine people running around with a mark of 666 on their right hands. It sounds like a cartoon, but this is what the prophecy teachers want you to believe. Ok, another problem that sounds like a cartoon is the interpretation of the word "all." They want you to believe that no man could buy or sell if they did not worship the beast and take his mark. Interpreting the word "all" to mean everyone in the world. This is not the case. For one, we know that the beast is made up of only possibly ten countries. Everyone in this world lives in roughly 190 countries. I don't think we could possibly mean everyone. How about, all of those people concerned with the mark. Also, how do you cause all people concerned to receive a mark, and why? The most obvious way to mark everyone is at the voting booth. All people, rich and poor, small and great, or free and bond are potential voters. So, Mahmoud Abbas was elected president of the Palestinian Authority, and in the process all voters received an indelible ink mark on their right hands. This mark was to prevent double voting and corruption in the election. Ok, we have a mark. It is not 666. At this point he fits the part, but not completely. Still, there is no ready identification of 666 concerning him. This election was in January 2005.

Back to Rev.13. We have seven mountains and ten kings. Prophecy teachers want us to believe that a city with seven mountains is the seat of the antichrist and he rules with ten nations. Their logical conclusion was the Europe Union and the Vatican. This started the revived Roman empire theory. This theory has been around since the reformation. It is hard to believe this charade has gone on so long. Teachers are still preaching the Revived Roman Empire. This theory had some validity before the twentieth century and now has to be eliminated. None of these teachers could have predicted the fall of the Ottoman Empire and its division into so many separate sovereign nations. Back to our word substitution. There is an interesting item here concerning the word mountains in scripture. The word mountains can have two meanings. It can be either a mountain range, or a nation. This is the hardest part of this whole exercise, trying to figure out what mountains are describing. Teachers will have you believe it is a city with seven mountains. In actual fact, mountains here are referring to nations. This also pertains to the head wound. The wound was not a literal head wound at all, but was a nation that was wounded. The beast's head or nation was wounded and was healed. This is the Palestinian Authority after the beginning of the Oslo Accords. The land that Israel possessed was now being given back to the Palestinians and the beast's nation is being healed. Ok, so now I have seven nations and ten kings, Rev.13:1. Why do I have three more kings than nations? It seems I have a king for each nation, but three left over. In Daniel in says the beast subdued three kings. These three kings don't necessarily have to be from different countries. It seems so, but is not expressly mentioned. It is another parable. The three kings who were subdued by the beast were Israeli Prime Ministers. These three Prime Ministers all served during the seven years of the Oslo Accords and were voted out of office because of terror perpetrated during Yasser Arafat's rule. Now, I am down to seven nations. These seven nations will wage war. I can easily see seven nations that will wage war here very soon; Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, Iran and the Palestinian Authority or Iraq, and there opponent Israel. This is exactly the same beast that is presented in Rev.17:10, just in a slightly different appearance. There are seven kings, five are fallen. This means five kings were defeated in war. Israel is referred to the "one that is," and the one that came later is the Palestinian Authority. This is a description of Israel's war for Independence. Literally, this was the beast being born. The war in 1967 is the beast rising up out of the sea in Rev.13:1. It was the unresolved issues of this conflict that resulted in the Oslo Accords of 1993. This seven year peace treaty was confirmed by Yitzhak Rabin and Yasser Arafat.

Now, there is another beast in Rev.13:11. This beast has two horns or kings. This is a picture of the Palestinian Authority after the elections of January 2006. This is when Hamas ran in the elections and won a majority in parliament. Now the P.A. was a country with two kings. Abbas was the President and Ismail Haniyeh was the Prime Minister. Here is where the problem with money came about. Western Nations did not want to donate money to a known terrorist organization so looked for a way they could still fund Abbas's P.A., but not let any money get to Hamas. This is when the number 666 identified an individual. The temporary international mechanism was adopted on June 16, 2006. This program allowed Western Nations to donate funds directly to Abbas, while bypassing Hamas. If you were a member of Fatah, or on Abbas's payroll you got paid. This is how the people were allowed to buy and sell. They received salaries, whereas before the mechanism, they had no way of getting paid from the Govenment. Hamas did not receive salaries. Also, Hamas did not receive the mark of the beast. They boycotted the elections for President in Jan. 2005.

It is more obvious who is being talked about the closer you get to the end.

In conclusion, to my three beast definitions. Mahmoud Abbas fits all three definitions. He was a member of the P.A. when it was formed. He took over from Yasser Arafat after his death. He was one of the two kings of the second beast in Rev.13:11. Lastly, he is the one identified by the number 666, which could have been Arafat had he lived.

Now, concerning the the false prophet. The following four verses below all refer to the false prophet, Ismail Haniyeh.

Rev.13:11- and I beheld another beast coming up out of the Earth, and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

Rev.13:12- And he exercises all the power of the first beast before him, and causes the earth and them which dwell therein, to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

Rev.13:13- "And he does great wonders, so that he makes fire come down from heaven on the Earth in the sight of men".

Rev.13:15- And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast, should be killed.

Hamas exercised all the power of the first beast (Abbas's P.A.) because they were now an equal partner in the Government. Also, the leader of Hamas caused them to worship or honor the first beast because Hamas would not honor the first beast. The first beast was the PA without Hamas as a member. The image of the beast is what the Government of Mahmoud Abbas represented. Verse 12 does not mention the image yet, we are just informed that the false prophet caused them to worship the first beast. Verse 14 and 15 gives the details of how that worshipping or honor was to commence. An image was created of the first beast that he (the false prophet) caused to be honored. This image of the beast is three items; the recognition of Israel, the honoring of all prior Palestinian agreements, and a renunciation of terror.

The last question I think that needs addressed is how do you know the timing is right? Meaning, there have been so many translations, how do you know that this one is correct? This is a question I always get asked. The answer, in my mind, is sort of a mix between two different prophecies. The first is the seven day prophecy as recorded in Genesis. It is a similtude between this and the amount of recorded time that has already happened on Earth. In the book of Peter, God says one day to him is as a thousand years. If that idea is applied to the Genesis creation, everyday that God created something one thousand years passed. Finally, on the last day he rested from his work, and his rest was one thousand years or one of God's days. This was one full week or 7000 years. After God's rest he started his work again, and he created Adam. Starting with Adam, it was approximately 4000 years to the time of Christ. Also, we know that Christ was here roughly 2000 years ago. If God was to be consistant with his one week schedule, then we could expect his day of rest to fall somewhere after the year two thousand. 4000 plus 2000 is six days and on the seventh he rested for one thousand years. This is not an exact estimate, but it can put you in the right ballpark when searching for the correct timing of Revelation. This is the estimate. The next item is more exact. Daniel 9:27 says that he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week. Many in Hebrew is Rab. This was a covenant confirmed with Yitzhak Rabin. It was the beginning of land for peace, or the Oslo Accords. When you see this agreement happen you should be aware that this prophecy will last seven years. There is only one problem with this item. Prior to it happening, everyone thought that the end of the seventh year of the agreement God would return and begin his rest. Well, that did not happen. The reason was a logical misinterpretation. It just mentions that this agreement must occur along with the prophecies mentioned, not that they would all happen and end on the last day of the seventh year. This has thrown everyone watching offtrack for a time. Although, this was not such a terrible mistake if the watcher could see the right answer and get his, or her perspective back. When you have these two items coinciding at the expected time, then you know Revelation can be interpreted with accuracy. The events should start happening, as they have, as I have recorded in this letter.

May God bless all who read this letter.

Michae1

[Bluefinger]

In Revelation 12, the dragon, called Satan, has seven heads wearing seven crowns and ten horns. How do you interpret that?

[GoldenWolf]

In Revelation 12, the dragon, called Satan, has seven heads wearing seven crowns and ten horns. How do you interpret that?

I was just about to post something before this topic was created:

This sigil of baphomet:

Image of the Beast

Those who dwell on the Earth are deceived into making an image of the Beast as a means to worship his authority. It is the lamb-horned beast who breathes life into the "image of the beast", so that the image becomes alive and is able to speak. It also declares death to anyone who does not worship the authority of the Beast. (Revelation 13:14-15) Those who are killed for not conforming to the authority of the Beast are blessed through the "first resurrection" that allows them to rule in Christ's presence as priests during the one thousand year reign. The Second Death has no power over these individuals who were victorious over the Beast [7] by not being deceived, even though they lost their lives on Earth by his authority. (Revelation 20:4-6)

The sigil of baphomet is but just an image of many and has been around for along time.

[GoldenWolf]

English gematria 480

The beast

The bull

Baphomet

Beelzebub

Lunatic

[ephraim]

In Revelation 12, the dragon, called Satan, has seven heads wearing seven crowns and ten horns. How do you interpret that?

Revelation 12

1And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

2And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

3And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

4And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

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That is a picture of the beast of Revelation 13:1. It is saying that the beast drew a third part of the stars of heaven. The stars of heaven are the souls of individual people. The beast, through his lies, caused one-third of humanity to follow him.

ephraim

[Damrod]

Not to be picky...but...

Chapter 12 vs 7, 8 and 9 is about the fall of Satan and the angels (the 1/3 of the stars are not humans, that is the 1/3 of the host of heaven...the fallen angels.)

5) And she brought forth a man-child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron and her child was caught up unto God and to his throne...

6) And the woman fled into the wilderness where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her for 2236 days

7)And there was a war in Heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon: and the dragon fought and his angels

8) and prevailed not; neither was their place found anymore in heaven

9)And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent called the Devil and Satan which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

10) And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven "now is come salvation, and strength, and the Kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before God day and night.

11)And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death

12) Therefore rejoice, ye heavens,and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth he hath but a short time.

you may continue...

[Bluefinger]

Revelation 12

That is a picture of the beast of Revelation 13:1. It is saying that the beast drew a third part of the stars of heaven. The stars of heaven are the souls of individual people. The beast, through his lies, caused one-third of humanity to follow him.

ephraim

Would there a be a possibility that the 1/3 stars might be 1/3 of the stars over the woman's head in Rev. 12? It does seem to be in context and it doesn't hypothetically draw the stars from another source.

And there is already a distinguishment between the dragon and the beast. The appropriate term for the dragon, is serpent, or Satan. The beast that rises out of the sea receives its power from the dragon. Therefore, they are not one and the same, according to Rev. 13.

So, in light of that, how do you interpret the dragon's seven heads that have seven crowns and its ten horns?

Edited July 25, 2011 by Bluefinger

[dalia]

4And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

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That is a picture of the beast of Revelation 13:1. It is saying that the beast drew a third part of the stars of heaven. The stars of heaven are the souls of individual people. The beast, through his lies, caused one-third of humanity to follow him.

ephraim

In the Bible the stars represent angels, not human beings.

[AmpleFyre]

What about the part where a third of all humanity was put into a wine press and the blood and gore came flowing out? What does that mean exactly?

[GoldenWolf]

Ezekiel 29:2, Ezekiel 29:3

New International Version (©1984)

"Son of man, set your face against Pharaoh king of Egypt and prophesy against him and against all Egypt."

Speak to him and say: 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: "'I am against you, Pharaoh king of Egypt, you great monster lying among your streams. You say, "The Nile is mine; I made it for myself."

Clearly moses is jesus, and he is clearly labeling the pharaoh (king of egypt) the dragon.

Revelation 21:8

Just like the movie the ten commandments, moses is the one throws the tablets down breaking the earth open causing everyone to fall. (the earth's core is the lake of fire).

English gematria 5628

And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name

Son of man, set your face against pharaoh king of egypt and prophesy against him and against all egypt

Edited July 26, 2011 by Mystic Crusader

[Paracelse]

I was just about to post something before this topic was created:

This sigil of baphomet:

Image of the Beast

Those who dwell on the Earth are deceived into making an image of the Beast as a means to worship his authority. It is the lamb-horned beast who breathes life into the "image of the beast", so that the image becomes alive and is able to speak. It also declares death to anyone who does not worship the authority of the Beast. (Revelation 13:14-15) Those who are killed for not conforming to the authority of the Beast are blessed through the "first resurrection" that allows them to rule in Christ's presence as priests during the one thousand year reign. The Second Death has no power over these individuals who were victorious over the Beast [7] by not being deceived, even though they lost their lives on Earth by his authority. (Revelation 20:4-6)

The sigil of baphomet is but just an image of many and has been around for along time.

Do you actually know the meaning of the word "Baphomet"? It's a Templar word that has been translated by Hugh Schonfeld (the technique use for the translation is inside his book "The Essene Odyssey") and it means "Sophia" = Wisdom, quite a far cry from the demon you mention.

[ManApart]

Are these questions for a Mainstream/Western Christian theological perspective, or for actual context from a Jewish eschatological perspective? Totally different. Ones dogmatic and the other is actual in it's origins.

[Bluefinger]

Are these questions for a Mainstream/Western Christian theological perspective, or for actual context from a Jewish eschatological perspective? Totally different. Ones dogmatic and the other is actual in it's origins.

Both. The Revelation of Jesus Christ was written to seven Greek Churches, composed of mostly of Greeks and the minority being Jews. The Revelation addresses both groups, but mostly the Greeks. Jesus loves both Jews and Gentiles.

[ephraim]

What about the part where a third of all humanity was put into a wine press and the blood and gore came flowing out? What does that mean exactly?

The winepress is used in the harvest of grapes. This is a parable on the harvest of souls, some of which will be cast into the furnace and some which will be saved. It is based on this parable written in Isaiah 5.

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Isaiah 5

1Now will I sing to my wellbeloved a song of my beloved touching his vineyard. My wellbeloved hath a vineyard in a very fruitful hill:

2And he fenced it, and gathered out the stones thereof, and planted it with the choicest vine, and built a tower in the midst of it, and also made a winepress therein: and he looked that it should bring forth grapes, and it brought forth wild grapes.

3And now, O inhabitants of Jerusalem, and men of Judah, judge, I pray you, betwixt me and my vineyard.

4What could have been done more to my vineyard, that I have not done in it? wherefore, when I looked that it should bring forth grapes, brought it forth wild grapes?

5And now go to; I will tell you what I will do to my vineyard: I will take away the hedge thereof, and it shall be eaten up; and break down the wall thereof, and it shall be trodden down:

6And I will lay it waste: it shall not be pruned, nor digged; but there shall come up briers and thorns: I will also command the clouds that they rain no rain upon it.

7For the vineyard of the LORD of hosts is the house of Israel, and the men of Judah his pleasant plant: and he looked for judgment, but behold oppression; for righteousness, but behold a cry.

ephraim

[GoldenWolf]

Do you actually know the meaning of the word "Baphomet"? It's a Templar word that has been translated by Hugh Schonfeld (the technique use for the translation is inside his book "The Essene Odyssey") and it means "Sophia" = Wisdom, quite a far cry from the demon you mention.

Baphomet

Baphomet (English pronunciation: /ˈbæfɵmɛt/, from medieval Latin Baphometh, baffometi, Occitan Bafometz) is an imagined (they say imagined) pagan deity (i.e., a product of Christian folklore concerning pagans), revived in the 19th century as a figure of occultism and Satanism. It first appeared in 11th and 12th century Latin and Provençal as a corruption of "Mahomet", the Latinisation of "Muhammad",[1] but later it appeared as a term for a pagan idol in trial transcripts of the Inquisition of the Knights Templar in the early 14th century. The name first came into popular English-speaking consciousness in the 19th century, with debate and speculation on the reasons for the suppression of the Templars.[2] Since 1855, the name Baphomet has been associated with a "Sabbatic Goat" image drawn by Éliphas Lévi.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horned_God

Horned God

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This article is about the Wiccan deity. For gods with horns or antlers on their heads, see Horned deity.

A sculpture of the Horned God of Wicca found in the Museum of Witchcraft in Boscastle, Cornwall.

The Horned God is one of the two primary deities found in the pagan religion of Wicca. He is often given various names and epithets, and represents the male part of the religion's duotheistic theological system, the other part being the female Triple Goddess. In common Wiccan belief, he is associated with nature, wilderness, sexuality, hunting and the life cycle.[1] Whilst depictions of the deity vary, he is always shown with either horns or antlers upon his head, often depicted as being theriocephalic, in this way emphasizing "the union of the divine and the animal", the latter of which includes humanity.[2]

The term Horned God itself predates Wicca, and is an early 20th century syncretic term for a horned or antlered anthropomorphic god with pseudohistorical origins[3] who, according to Margaret Murray's 1921 The Witch-Cult in Western Europe, was the deity worshipped by a pan-European witchcraft-based cult, and was demonized into the form of the Devil by the Mediaeval Church.

The Horned God has been explored within several psychological theories, and it has also become a recurrent theme in fantasy literature since the 20th Century.[4]

A sculpture of the Horned God of Wicca found in the Museum of Witchcraft in Boscastle, Cornwall.

Satanism is the masculine side

Wicca is the feminine side

Francisco de Goya's Witches Sabbat (1789), which depicts the Devil flanked by Satanic (whether people want to believe it or not, wicca is satanic) witches. The Witch Cult hypothesis states that such stories are based upon a real-life pagan cult that revered a horned god

Edited July 26, 2011 by Mystic Crusader

[GoldenWolf]

Baphomet

A sculpture of the Horned God of Wicca found in the Museum of Witchcraft in Boscastle, Cornwall.

Satanism is the masculine side

Wicca is the feminine side

Francisco de Goya's Witches Sabbat (1789), which depicts the Devil flanked by Satanic (whether people want to believe it or not, wicca is satanic) witches. The Witch Cult hypothesis states that such stories are based upon a real-life pagan cult that revered a horned god

He ain't gentle:

Beelzebub

Dream of the archer lyrics

Crying "ah! Beautiful dancers ...wake up

From your sleep!

Ahhh gentle romancers...drink of Love

So sweet!"

Edited July 26, 2011 by Mystic Crusader

[+Paranoid Android]

There were many things I found lacking with the OP but as I read through it one of the more glaring points was about the "day is a thousand years" concept. In particular, the OP suggests that since Adam and Eve there has been approximately 6000 years between then and now, putting us right in the "six days" of work and about to come to the day of rest. But I find this reasoning problematic. First of all, the entire comcept of a day as a thousand years does not (and has never) literally meant that one 24-hour period is equal to exactly 1000 years. The number has always been symbolic, to explain that time is meaningless when it comes to someone such as God. The bigger issue, though, is immediately after this the OP speaks of a period of seven years when the Beast and False Prophet will rule. But if we use the "day is a thousand years", shouldn't the seven years actually be seven thousand years under the rule of the Beast? As I said, there are other issues that I had, but as I looked at the references to the seven years, this is the most obvious that came to my mind.

~ Regards, PA

[granpa]

its probably more like 1080 years

360*3 = 1080

360*3.5 = 1260

[GoldenWolf]

There were many things I found lacking with the OP but as I read through it one of the more glaring points was about the "day is a thousand years" concept. In particular, the OP suggests that since Adam and Eve there has been approximately 6000 years between then and now, putting us right in the "six days" of work and about to come to the day of rest. But I find this reasoning problematic. First of all, the entire comcept of a day as a thousand years does not (and has never) literally meant that one 24-hour period is equal to exactly 1000 years. The number has always been symbolic, to explain that time is meaningless when it comes to someone such as God. The bigger issue, though, is immediately after this the OP speaks of a period of seven years when the Beast and False Prophet will rule. But if we use the "day is a thousand years", shouldn't the seven years actually be seven thousand years under the rule of the Beast? As I said, there are other issues that I had, but as I looked at the references to the seven years, this is the most obvious that came to my mind.

~ Regards, PA

Hebrew year is 5771

[ManApart]

There were many things I found lacking with the OP but as I read through it one of the more glaring points was about the "day is a thousand years" concept. In particular, the OP suggests that since Adam and Eve there has been approximately 6000 years between then and now, putting us right in the "six days" of work and about to come to the day of rest. But I find this reasoning problematic. First of all, the entire comcept of a day as a thousand years does not (and has never) literally meant that one 24-hour period is equal to exactly 1000 years. The number has always been symbolic, to explain that time is meaningless when it comes to someone such as God. The bigger issue, though, is immediately after this the OP speaks of a period of seven years when the Beast and False Prophet will rule. But if we use the "day is a thousand years", shouldn't the seven years actually be seven thousand years under the rule of the Beast? As I said, there are other issues that I had, but as I looked at the references to the seven years, this is the most obvious that came to my mind.

~ Regards, PA

Good point....Hebrew numerology is always overlooked. 1000 was symbolic and showed immenseness. An idea of a number of large amounts. Did not mean a literal 1000.

[Roy Perry]

God first

thanks Michae1

Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

you Michae1 are the beast of the field and I am the beast of the field

it said it a long ago

the beast has not change

with love and a holy kiss Roy

[Roy Perry]

God first

thanks Michae1

Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

you Michae1 are the beast of the field and I am the beast of the field

it said it a long ago

the beast has not change

with love and a holy kiss Roy

[Paracelse]

Baphomet

Baphomet (English pronunciation: /ˈbæfɵmɛt/, from medieval Latin Baphometh, baffometi, Occitan Bafometz) is an imagined (they say imagined) pagan deity (i.e., a product of Christian folklore concerning pagans), revived in the 19th century as a figure of occultism and Satanism. It first appeared in 11th and 12th century Latin and Provençal as a corruption of "Mahomet", the Latinisation of "Muhammad",[1] but later it appeared as a term for a pagan idol in trial transcripts of the Inquisition of the Knights Templar in the early 14th century. The name first came into popular English-speaking consciousness in the 19th century, with debate and speculation on the reasons for the suppression of the Templars.[2] Since 1855, the name Baphomet has been associated with a "Sabbatic Goat" image drawn by Éliphas Lévi.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horned_God

Horned God

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This article is about the Wiccan deity. For gods with horns or antlers on their heads, see Horned deity.

A sculpture of the Horned God of Wicca found in the Museum of Witchcraft in Boscastle, Cornwall.

The Horned God is one of the two primary deities found in the pagan religion of Wicca. He is often given various names and epithets, and represents the male part of the religion's duotheistic theological system, the other part being the female Triple Goddess. In common Wiccan belief, he is associated with nature, wilderness, sexuality, hunting and the life cycle.[1] Whilst depictions of the deity vary, he is always shown with either horns or antlers upon his head, often depicted as being theriocephalic, in this way emphasizing "the union of the divine and the animal", the latter of which includes humanity.[2]

The term Horned God itself predates Wicca, and is an early 20th century syncretic term for a horned or antlered anthropomorphic god with pseudohistorical origins[3] who, according to Margaret Murray's 1921 The Witch-Cult in Western Europe, was the deity worshipped by a pan-European witchcraft-based cult, and was demonized into the form of the Devil by the Mediaeval Church.

The Horned God has been explored within several psychological theories, and it has also become a recurrent theme in fantasy literature since the 20th Century.[4]

A sculpture of the Horned God of Wicca found in the Museum of Witchcraft in Boscastle, Cornwall.

Satanism is the masculine side

Wicca is the feminine side

Francisco de Goya's Witches Sabbat (1789), which depicts the Devil flanked by Satanic (whether people want to believe it or not, wicca is satanic) witches. The Witch Cult hypothesis states that such stories are based upon a real-life pagan cult that revered a horned god

If you have $10 000 you could purchase the transcript of the Templars trial published by the Vatican in 2005 or 6, or you could spend $20.00 to purchase the French translation by Jacques Rolland (you would have to read French first). The fact of the matter is, I studying the Templars, albeit I don't know all about them (no one really does) I know more than most, your XIXth century compilation added to Paganism is ultimately BS.

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P.S.: There are still in Southern France, town with built by Templars with "Baphomet" carved on frontispiece.

Edited July 27, 2011 by Paracelse

[digitalartist]

The last question I think that needs addressed is how do you know the timing is right? Meaning, there have been so many translations, how do you know that this one is correct? This is a question I always get asked. The answer, in my mind, is sort of a mix between two different prophecies. The first is the seven day prophecy as recorded in Genesis. It is a similtude between this and the amount of recorded time that has already happened on Earth. In the book of Peter, God says one day to him is as a thousand years. If that idea is applied to the Genesis creation, everyday that God created something one thousand years passed. Finally, on the last day he rested from his work, and his rest was one thousand years or one of God's days. This was one full week or 7000 years. After God's rest he started his work again, and he created Adam. Starting with Adam, it was approximately 4000 years to the time of Christ. Also, we know that Christ was here roughly 2000 years ago. If God was to be consistant with his one week schedule, then we could expect his day of rest to fall somewhere after the year two thousand. 4000 plus 2000 is six days and on the seventh he rested for one thousand years. This is not an exact estimate, but it can put you in the right ballpark when searching for the correct timing of Revelation. This is the estimate. The next item is more exact. Daniel 9:27 says that he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week. Many in Hebrew is Rab. This was a covenant confirmed with Yitzhak Rabin. It was the beginning of land for peace, or the Oslo Accords. When you see this agreement happen you should be aware that this prophecy will last seven years. There is only one problem with this item. Prior to it happening, everyone thought that the end of the seventh year of the agreement God would return and begin his rest. Well, that did not happen. The reason was a logical misinterpretation. It just mentions that this agreement must occur along with the prophecies mentioned, not that they would all happen and end on the last day of the seventh year. This has thrown everyone watching offtrack for a time. Although, this was not such a terrible mistake if the watcher could see the right answer and get his, or her perspective back. When you have these two items coinciding at the expected time, then you know Revelation can be interpreted with accuracy. The events should start happening, as they have, as I have recorded in this letter.

You are making a mistake I have seen before. Gen 1 and Gen 2 are not 2 different accounts and 2 separate 7 day periods but are the same time frame. Gen 2 is just a more detailed account of part of what occurred in Gen 1. Humans were created on the 6th day and that would be Adam and Eve. On the 7th day God rests. If for the sake of discussion we say Adam was created at mid day of the 6th day, and using 1 day = 1000 years, Adam was created in year 5500 of the first week. That pushes the second week (of which there is no reference to in the bible) forward by 1500 years, the time between Adam's creation and the end of the first week. That means we are actually at year 4500 of the second week, not 6000. That pretty much pushes your calculations out past when any of us will be alive.

[ManApart]

Other than the Hebrew numerology, one has to consider the background of the Hebrew belief in the Holy Week. Creation is divided into the Works of Division, days 1-3, and Works of Ornamentation, days 4-6. Eight works distributed into 6 days.

The order of enumeration is schematic and has no reference to the chronological development of the earth, of which the author had no knowledge. The arrangement of the works of Creation in six days with the Sabbath is not intended to indicate the time elapsed during the formation of the Universe. The week with the Sabbath is an expression of the sacred belief of time and that the life of man is to be modeled after it.

For people to use Hebrew literature, that was expressions of beliefs in story form, and use them literal for interpretations of prophecy, when they were not intended for that, causes theoretical inconsistencies within the religious body/group.