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[AZTom]

MysticStrummer, on 18 August 2011 - 03:30 PM, said:

Someone always says this in a Ouija board thread, just like someone always says atheists don't get possessed in a thread about possession. Neither of those "facts" are true. Using a Ouija board is a form of automatic writing, which has been around since at least 1100 CE, if not sooner. Some say the ancient Egyptians and Greeks did it long before that. The modern Ouija board was invented in the 1890s, and was an evolution of automatic writing, table tipping, and other methods for communicating with spirits that became popular during a Spiritualism craze that swept the US and Europe in the mid 1800s. Parker Brothers didn't acquire the rights to make them until 1966.

If its a form of automatic writing, people should be able to do it blindfolded. It was invented as you said in 1890, it was not considered to be anything but a toy for the first 25 or so years. All scientific study has says it is controlled by the user, try it with a blindfold it becomes useless. I would truly love it if it actually was real, but sadly its a toy. If you have "facts" that state otherwise, I'm anxious to hear them.

[dice401]

I don't think I will ever understand why people will use things like a ouija board without proper research, have something latch onto them, then come running over to a forum and expect to find John Constentine to rid them of everything. And not to mention the OP said that he didn't' want to get rid of it because he planned on using it again once he could 'clean up this mess.' Do you actually think that its not going to happen again after you use the board again? Clearly it will, since you got rid of it the first time, then turned around and used it again. And look where that got you! Sorry if I'm coming across as rude or mean, that's not my intention. I just don't understand the use of these boards.

[Cryptozological Mascot]

After reading many of these posts, it seems to me as though you want to walk through a mine field unharmed, when you would best avoid it altogether.  Most people use these boards to either answer questions about the future, or to verify the existance of the afterlife... you are doing neither.  So what is your reason for wanting to continue?  I will tell you this: most of the people that have authentic experiences with these boards have felt the need to stop using them altogether... it doesn't help to mop up your kitchen without first fixing the broken pipe and stopping the water flow... Also, just because a door exists doesn't mean that one should use it.  Given the chance, would you constantly crawl through a doggy - door when you know that it wasn't meant for you?  What I'm trying to say with all of these analogies is that you have to stop the problimatic behavior before taking corrective action.  Period.  Of course if you want to be demon fodder, then by all means continue and keep trying to communicate with it...  Good luck!

[MysticStrummer]

AZTom, on 18 August 2011 - 05:05 PM, said:

If its a form of automatic writing, people should be able to do it blindfolded. It was invented as you said in 1890, it was not considered to be anything but a toy for the first 25 or so years. All scientific study has says it is controlled by the user, try it with a blindfold it becomes useless. I would truly love it if it actually was real, but sadly its a toy. If you have "facts" that state otherwise, I'm anxious to hear them.

I never said it worked. I've never used one and don't plan to. My reply was in response to your assertion of FACT, which was in FACT false.

[Gh0stwalker]

AZtom, I have a theory as to how a Ouija Board actually works. I think it's quite similar to automatic writing, but while automatic writing is simply one using their hands to convey a message, the Ouija boards uses ones EYES. It's as if the entities use a person in the group as a window.  You can't see if the window is covered, can you? I mean, I can write something down with my eyes closed (It will likely be messy, mind you) But cover my eyes and ask me to point something out, the results would be pretty poor.

dice401, Its "Constantine". And no, I did not come "running"  over to these boards, hoping someone would "save me" from my predicament. And I DID in fact want to get rid of it.  I came to this board seeking techniques I could use to protect/ rid myself of these..... Whatever you wish to call them. Not only because of my issue at hand, but because yes, I do plan on using it again in the future and would like to know how to defend myself when the time comes. With that said, I did receive some great advice which has helped rid me of the thing. Think of all the things man has done. Like flying, or leaving our very atmosphere... Do you think they hit a few bumps along the way? Do you also think many ridiculed them for their attempts? I think most walk away from the unknown after one bad experience, because it's so easy. There's nothing to lose from walking away, just as there is no known thing to gain from digging deeper. I guess that's one of the things that drives me to keep digging...

And if you don't see the point to these boards, why are you viewing them, let alone responding to them?....

Cryptozoological Mascot, You're right. I'm not looking for answers about the future, or to validate the afterlife. I simply want to delve as deep as I can, which through my extensive research, shows that not many have.... I'm not doing it for kicks, or for thrill seeking. I just want to discover what exactly lies within the unknown. What these entities are, where they come from, what their ultimate goal is.

And if we weren't meant to go through these doors, I don't think they would exist in the first place.

[AZTom]

Gh0stwalker, on 19 August 2011 - 05:02 AM, said:

AZtom, I have a theory as to how a Ouija Board actually works. I think it's quite similar to automatic writing, but while automatic writing is simply one using their hands to convey a message, the Ouija boards uses ones EYES. It's as if the entities use a person in the group as a window.  You can't see if the window is covered, can you? I mean, I can write something down with my eyes closed (It will likely be messy, mind you) But cover my eyes and ask me to point something out, the results would be pretty poor.

  An interseting theory, I'll have to mull it over for a little while.

[Paranormalcy]

Regardless of what you do to the board, quit using it - put it away somewhere, or give it away, or if you must, trash it (or mail it to me, I'll always accept free Ouija boards, as opposed to people leaving them on church steps or burning or burying them). If you have any religious or spiritual leanings you feel could bring you peace or help, you should pursue those, such as prayers, holy water or meditation or whatever else. Your main thing is to willfully NOT give credence or power to disturbances or anxiety and fear, as others have said. Whatever you can do to this end, from ignoring it, to laughing it off, to being wearily annoyed at the tired antics, is something you should look into.


When Pearl Curran, the actual user, was blindfolded and the Ouija board was placed upside down and she was instructed to use it and her "spirit control", Patience Worth, didn't communicate, the researcher made a note of it and allowed Mrs. Curran to communicate normally and asked Patience why she didn't do any of her famous fancy writing while all those precautions were in place. Her response was along the lines of "You ask an artist to paint a masterpiece with no brush?"

Although I believe Ouija works via ideomotor effect, I've always found the case of Patience Worth the most fascinating of Ouija lore, though there are others that are quite compelling as well. Proponents of the spiritual aspects of Ouija use today still insist you cannot use one blindfolded because the spirits need to see through the eyes of the user, etc. It is a difficult subject whose criteria change from believer to experimenter.

[Gh0stwalker]

Paranormalcy, on 21 August 2011 - 12:12 AM, said:

Regardless of what you do to the board, quit using it - put it away somewhere, or give it away, or if you must, trash it (or mail it to me, I'll always accept free Ouija boards, as opposed to people leaving them on church steps or burning or burying them). If you have any religious or spiritual leanings you feel could bring you peace or help, you should pursue those, such as prayers, holy water or meditation or whatever else. Your main thing is to willfully NOT give credence or power to disturbances or anxiety and fear, as others have said. Whatever you can do to this end, from ignoring it, to laughing it off, to being wearily annoyed at the tired antics, is something you should look into.

I'm not sure how long you've followed this thread, but I have rid myself of the demon, and I did not give into it's antics. I was not afraid. I will keep the Ouija board though, as I will likely be using it again...

Paranormalcy, on 21 August 2011 - 12:12 AM, said:

When Pearl Curran, the actual user, was blindfolded and the Ouija board was placed upside down and she was instructed to use it and her "spirit control", Patience Worth, didn't communicate, the researcher made a note of it and allowed Mrs. Curran to communicate normally and asked Patience why she didn't do any of her famous fancy writing while all those precautions were in place. Her response was along the lines of "You ask an artist to paint a masterpiece with no brush?"

Although I believe Ouija works via ideomotor effect, I've always found the case of Patience Worth the most fascinating of Ouija lore, though there are others that are quite compelling as well. Proponents of the spiritual aspects of Ouija use today still insist you cannot use one blindfolded because the spirits need to see through the eyes of the user, etc. It is a difficult subject whose criteria change from believer to experimenter.

As I stated a few posts above, entities using us as windows to view the board, is my theory as well. It makes the most sense to me.

[johnkim]

Gh0stwalker, on 21 August 2011 - 06:52 PM, said:

I'm not sure how long you've followed this thread, but I have rid myself of the demon, and I did not give into it's antics. I was not afraid. I will keep the Ouija board though, as I will likely be using it again...




As I stated a few posts above, entities using us as windows to view the board, is my theory as well. It makes the most sense to me.

You sir, is a very brave man(I'm sincere).

[Keosen]

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A man whom his doctors referred to as “Mr. Wright” was dying from cancer of the lymph nodes.
Orange-size tumors had invaded his neck, groin, chest and abdomen, and his doctors had exhausted all available treatments.
Nevertheless, Mr. Wright was confident that a new anticancer drug called Krebiozen(simple creatine pills with no curative value) would cure him, according to a 1957 report by psychologist Bruno Klopfer of the University of California, Los Angeles, entitled “Psychological Variables in Human Cancer.”

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Mr. Wright was bedridden and fighting for each breath when he received his first injection.
But three days later he was cheerfully ambling around the unit, joking with the nurses. Mr. Wright’s tumors had shrunk by half, and after 10 more days of treatment he was discharged from the hospital.

It was called Placebo effect.
And no it's not irrelevant to your post.

The only thing to fight you demon is to re-convince yourself that there is nothing beside your wild imagination.

Edited by Keosen, 22 August 2011 - 09:54 AM.

[Gh0stwalker]

Johnkim, I'm just doing what I can.

Keosen, I'm well aware of the affects of a placebo (and creatine for that matter), But I'm certain I did not conjure the shadow figure which lifted my leg at night, or the demonic growls, who's audio I have recorded and saved. I did not fabricate an intricate illusion in my own head, that Im sure. Though, I have rid myself of the demon, for now.

[regeneratia]

Gh0stwalker, on 12 August 2011 - 12:47 PM, said:

Wow thanks Clyde! That was some very helpful advice, not only will I piss off whatever spirits may reside by using it for fire wood, I'll also attract the attention of the fire department directly across the street!  Keep up the great work, you're a true pilliar of society.

As for 2012, yeah it said a bit. It said Satan and his army would rise, there's nothing man can do. Though I wouldn't take the word of a demon. Heh, funny fact, After it told me about it's doomsday plot, I said " well I'll be waitin for ya you sorry b1tch" to which it responded "alright you sorry b@stard"...

There is no such thing as Satan.

Just ask it to leave, that you will not tolerate it anymore.

Leave your lights on at night.

[Goggles98]

To be honest, I wouldn't use that oujii board again. I'm not a very religious person, though I believe in a higher power.

I was raised in an open home and one thing I learnt is that oujii boards can be BIG trouble.
My knowledge (which may be incorrect, but its MY beliefs) of the oujii board is that when you invoke the spirit, you may get more... agressive or troubling visitors.
My mother's experiences involved an entity who tried to mess with her and her friends (eg. telling them troubling news such as 'when they were going to die', or that one of them was going to die soon and that they'd been followed since birth by a dark power).
This story shows a pattern in experiences with the board.
My mother got rid of the entity by sitting in a circle with her friends, each using positive thoughts and energies to expel the guest who had outstayed their welcome.

You call your troubling visitor a demon and use a certain amount of faith to expel them.
That is perfectly acceptable, as what we believe in and put our faith into often manifests in reality.

If you wish to experience your previous problem again, fine go ahead, but I do not advice messing with the unknown.

I don't dictate other people, or tell them what to believe and what not, so you can either take my advice or trash it like a bad sandwich, I will not judge.

[orangepeaceful79]

You know what I have never understood about demons?  Why they are so lame.  What is it with a supernatural being which is supposedly an emmissary of Satan and all they can manage to do is growl on voice recorders, poke and scratch, and maybe lift up the odd leg of a sleeping human once in awhile?  

You would think that since demons are around to torture humanity and terrify us that they'd be capable of doing a bit better than the mediocre creepy party tricks that typically get associated with them.  I mean why not show themselves and disembowel someone in the broad daylight?  Now that would be scary.  

Until a demon has enough sack to show up in the broad daylight, thusly creating actual evidence for its existence and comes over and squeezes my head til my eyes pop out I'm pretty inclined to disbelieve in them.  know what the coolest part about not believing in ghosts and demons is?  I've never seen one, been poked in my sleep by one or anything.  Its great!  

[Imaginarynumber1]

orangepeaceful79, on 05 April 2012 - 10:51 PM, said:

You know what I have never understood about demons?  Why they are so lame.  What is it with a supernatural being which is supposedly an emmissary of Satan and all they can manage to do is growl on voice recorders, poke and scratch, and maybe lift up the odd leg of a sleeping human once in awhile?  

You would think that since demons are around to torture humanity and terrify us that they'd be capable of doing a bit better than the mediocre creepy party tricks that typically get associated with them.  I mean why not show themselves and disembowel someone in the broad daylight?  Now that would be scary.  

Until a demon has enough sack to show up in the broad daylight, thusly creating actual evidence for its existence and comes over and squeezes my head til my eyes pop out I'm pretty inclined to disbelieve in them.  know what the coolest part about not believing in ghosts and demons is?  I've never seen one, been poked in my sleep by one or anything.  Its great!  

I wholeheartedly agree with you.
I've messed with Ouija boards and nothing has happened. EVER. I'll go buy one and do it again right now. It's ridiculous to buy into such claptrap.
It's the same with 'demons' and 'ghosts'. Why don't you ever see demons attacking people, or ghosts when it's not 3 in the morning?
And what is with the wacky idea that 'you have to believe' to experience anything paranormal? Is it like Tinkerbell where if you don't believe she dies? I mean come on. Most of us here are grown adults.