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#1    SamDavies

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Posted 20 August 2011 - 02:32 PM

Hum...Honda passed earthís southern skies on August 15th. Elenin supposed to pass (note not hit) earthís northern observers on October 7th (some 22 million miles away) and will be joined on same morning by comet Honda doing a second round this time to the north so both comets will be seen together.

Then shortly after Honda and Eleninís departure Levy will pass earth on December2 7th.

But the picture (authentic?? Did not think any such close up photos of Elenin were yet available. But Iíd not know) of Elenin that Iíve seen on a couple of posts and eight lights following it look rather interesting. Look like two humongous space craft. Not eight random objects. Two objects with four lights in total travelling parallel to one another and equal distance from Elenin. Perhaps Elenin is the blue katchina and the two craft looking objects are the twin brothers. And yes the twin brothers would have to be rather HUGE as they are suppose to be visible with the naked eye as far as I can gather. The pic looks like some of the pics taken in Brazil or wherever it was of apparent UFOs and NOT a comet.

Honda and Elenin (or just Elenin if the two objects Ďfollowing are really there) sound like the blue katchina - twin brothers of the Hopi Indian prophecy followed by the Purifier - The Red Katchina. But who knows. No idea what color these comets are nor if Levy is red. Though most of Levy had crashed into Jupiter some time ago?? There is also some other comet after Levy but for the life of me can not remember its name and sounds more like the Red Katchina than Levy.

Please, any info appreciated regarding colours and any large red approaching Ďcometsí.

I look forward to the end of 2012 so all this hype about the world being destroyed will be over. Earth is not going to be destroyed. But life will never be the same...thank goodness.

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Posted 20 August 2011 - 03:05 PM

http://sydneystargaz...-levy-p2006-t1/

Bit I just found on the orbit of Levy and its approaching earth.

Shame it will be cloudy in my part of the world at this time. :-(

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Posted 20 August 2011 - 08:33 PM

Comet Lulin is green but not sure on the others.

http://science.nasa....feb_greencomet/

I would like it to be Kachina to make sense of what is going on and help us to live through it.

The Purifier, hmm what could that refer to I wonder?

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Posted 21 August 2011 - 01:46 AM

Interesting Ideas Sam.  I kinda follow Honda and Elenin on the JPL trajectory simulators for something to do...

Slim...I tried to endure the vids on that conscious life website...couldn't get past 5 minutes on the coast to coast and maybe got 30 minutes on crazy Haogland's video.  I think the guy means well and he might actually believe some of what he is saying but...

On the Dec. 21, 2012 thing.  We have taken this estimated date based on translation of an ancient Mayan calendar system...that we are not even sure is correctly translated...and then picked and chosen other cultures that seem to validate that date.  Now some folks are saying the date is incorrect...so...what about the cultures we used for validation?  Is there view suddenly irrelevant?  Is suddenly the so-called I-Ching pointing to that date now meaningless because we might have made a mistake on the Mayan?  Hopefully you get what I am saying...

Take the Hopi prophecy for instance.  It came into light when it seemed to parallel the Mayan calendar...(as well as a few other cultures)...but here's the thing for me...What does the Cherokee have to say about it? or the Mohicans, or the Sioux, or the Apache, or The Seminole, how about the Cheyenne or the Crow or the Pueblos...or even the Yaqui?  All of these other native American tribes who are no more or less relevant...in my opinion...and all of which had spiritual leaders and men of knowledge...what does their visions of the future hold?  Anyone?  I have no idea but it would be seemingly pertinent to at least see if they conflict or not.

As far as the outcome or results of said "earth changes"...Slim and I and others have had some very interesting and deep philosophical conversations about our current state of being on this planet and our current levels of consciousness.  I do believe there definitely needs to be a change and I feel it will eventually come...now the question is, how will that change come?  I believe it will have to be an outside catalyst.  Something that will ...for lack of a better way of saying this...force us to re-evaluate our values and our view of the meaning of life.  I don't think a charismatic voice or message is enough to reach enough people to invoke fundamental changes in our values.  There is a strong desire in positions of authority to leave the system of values we have just like they are.  But that is a subject of multiple pages of conversation.

Briefly, getting back to the Hopi...I'm not even sure what the "real" prophecy is...I have seen more than a couple versions and they are not exactly the same...leaving me to wonder which one is the real McCoy that they believe in and which one is the story they sell to the tourists.  I can even imagine some literary "liberty" being taken by authors wishing to add validity to their own theories by "bending" certain prophecies and stories to suit there positions.

Anyway, it's a neat concept you have brought up Sam.  I personally don't have a clear opinion about it.  On one hand it is pretty interesting that attention has been drawn to these two comets...and a third one coming.  Is that deliberate distraction?  Don't know.  Are they really important?  Don't know.  I think they are interesting and I can not recall hearing about two coming through our Solar system so close together before...but for all I know it's really not that big of a deal...small celestial bodies swarm around us all the time so maybe these two are special...maybe someone just wants us to think they are.  My jury and opinion are still out till I get more info.

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Posted 21 August 2011 - 04:29 PM

The way I look at it is that things are cyclic or more accurately spiralic or spiricle but I don't think we have a word to encapsulate the image of subtle cycles that have effected us fractally to continually evolve our consciousness and physiology.

The brain resembles the best images we have of the cosmos. The universe is not some static place where things mechanically take place. It is dynamic and full of chaos, which lead to the random creation of life through catalysts. The life and matter then falls into familiar patterns dictated maybe by gravity or some other law of quantum physics that manifests energy as matter depending on its vibration.

Now the randomness and chaos is not totally random but actually cyclic and this is down to the precessional cycle. The stuff with the new "Dutch Date" for the Mayan calendar end date is 2200 but if this were true then why does so much point to now. It all depends on how you interpret things. There is a conflict in terms of calendars for example and very few people agree on the start and end dates of the astrological ages linked in with the Platonic Year.

But, at the end of the day all this stuff is in our consciousness now, technology and science are leading us in new directions and the geopolitical encironment is calling out for what? You got it, Reason? Or at least some perspective on what is going on.

The truth is we do not know but we will learn more if we are open minded and consider rational speculative argument.

This is not about matter, which is what we generally see but fields of energy or plasma that we don't ordinarily see. This plasma is the catalyst but I bet we will discover their are different types and it has different effects.

Comets are balls of ice or other material but they have fields that are the size of planets. They can and will affect things but on a subtle level that will not be obvious and are easily dismissed by pseudo-skeptics.

I'm not sure what the Blue Kachina prophecy is exactly. I had previously taken it to mean Sirius but there is something potent about the idea of comets. They could have recognizable to ancient minds and we do see many pictographic symbols and art that could be interpreted as a comet or other astronomical phenomena like a plasmoid.

All previous history is there for us to see and when was the last time we experienced this exact alignment of heaven in a cosmic sense? I really don't know but it could have been 0AD, the Axial Age or Late Bronze Age. Personally I am drawn to the Late Bronze Age as the closest approximate comparison. That is roughly 3,600 years ago and would fit in with some earth changes at that time. It would also be 110 generations give or take, which occurs in some prophecy and figures with the average solar cycle of 11.1 years approximately.

Comets are in there but they may be more regular, I don't know but you combine the comets with the precessional cycle and it is silly to ignore parallels if they can help us avoid hubris and survive and prosper.

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Posted 21 August 2011 - 04:53 PM

Here's one version of the Hopi Prophecy I came across...

Instructions...consume one large helping of salt and press tongue firmly to inside surface of cheek...


"The Fourth World shall end soon, and the Fifth World will begin. This the elders everywhere know The Signs over many years have been fulfilled, and so few are left.

"This is the First. Sign: We are told of the coming of the white-skinned men, like Pahana, but not living like Pahana men who took the land that was not theirs. And men who struck their enemies with thunder.

"This is the Second Sign: Our lands will see the coming of spinning wheels filled with voices. In his youth, my futher saw this prophecy come true with his eyes -- the white men bringing their families in wagons across the prairies."

"This is the Third Sign: A strange beast like a buffalo but with great long horns, will overrun the land in large numbers. These White Feather saw with his eyes -- the coming of the white men `s cattle."

"This is the Fourth Sign: The land will be crossed by snakes of iron. "

"This is the Fith Sign: The land shall be criss-crossed by a giant spider's web. "

"This is the Sixth Sign: The land shall be criss-crossed with rivers of stone that make pictures in the sun." "This is the Seventh Sign: You will hear of the sea turning black, and many living things dying because of it. "

"This is the Eight. Sign: You will see many youth, who wear their hair long like my people, come and join the tribal nations, to learn their ways and wisdom.

"And this is the Ninth and Last. Sign: You will hear of a dwelling-place in the heavens, above the earth, that shall fall with a great crash. It will appear as a blue star. Very soon after this, the ceremonies of my people will cease.

"These are the Signs that great destruction is coming. The world shall rock to and fro. The white man will battle against other people in other lands -- with those who possessed the first light of wisdom. There will be many columns of smoke and fire such as White Feather has seen the white man make in the deserts not far from here. Only those which come will cause disease and a great dying. Many of my people, understanding the prophecies, shall be safe. Those who stay and live in the places of my people also shall be safe. Then there will be much to rebuild. And soon -very soon afterward -- Pahana will return. He shall bring with him the dawn of the Fifth World. He shall plant the seeds of his wisdom in their hearts. Even now the seeds are being planted. These shall smooth the way to the Emergence into the Fifth World."


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Posted 21 August 2011 - 08:32 PM

Well, there ya go. Plenty there to chew over.  :unsure2:  :lol:

Some of them do seem very relevant.

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Posted 22 August 2011 - 02:56 PM

Damrod, pleased to hear you often track the trajectory of Elenin and Levy. I look forward to any info and thanks.
Youíre right in saying itís important to consider other American Native tribes thoughts re prophecy. As far as Iíve gathered itĎs accepted by all the tribes that the Hopi are the caretakers of the sacred stones and prophecies left to the American Indians by the star ancestors. Sacred stones and prophecies that were also given to white, black and yellow skin tribes who were then sent to the four corners of the earth.

Actually, it was a Cherokee woman who introduced me to the Hopi. She knew I had a deep interest in Bible prophecy so thought Iíd be interested in the Hopi. I was stunned! Much more detail then the Bible with many similarities. And worldwide when natives get together from all different spheres they all listen intently to the Hopi Elders and share the similarities and hopes. Hopi come from the Aztecs.

It is rare these days that the traditional natives share many of the sacred truths. Reason being that when they first shared they were told their stories were interesting Ďfairy talesí. What an insult. So they learnt to be very careful who they shared their sacred stories with. Iíve spoken with Australian Aboriginals and shared some stuff that they usually donít because I openly share my spiritual beliefs that are the same as the Aboriginals and the Native Americans.

Iíve read several versions of the Hopi prophecy in order to get the basic thread. As the Hopi themselves say they differ from tribe to tribe in the finer details as with their history experiences.

Most of the prophecies have been fulfilled. It really is just the blue and red katchina puzzle now. Some say the blue katchina has already come and gone. But that was several  years ago now and not only that the comets mentioned travel much shorter orbits then say Elenin (?). When the blue katchina comes around it will have to be a comet of very long orbit so that it is understood to be the blue katchina. After all, new eras of mankind take thousands of years so the blue katchina would have to be a comet that comes around once every so many thousands of years. Apparently Elenin has 11,000 year orbit. Think the prophecies were given about 1000 years ago.

Then the blue katchina needs to be visible to the naked eye and bluish of course. Now, will it be a case of two comets seen together, such as Elenin and Honda appearing together on October 7th (8th ?). Or Elenin appearing with a twin tail thus the prophecy saying blue katchina (singular) accompanied by the twin brothers (A twin tail giving the appearance that the blue katchina is being trailed by the brothers who are believed to be part of the star ancestors who created the Native Americans and who guard the north and south spheres of the earth). Time will only tell. And thank goodness again that that time is soon to be upon us at least re Honda, Elenin and Levy.

And another point to consider. Are there any other comets so close together like that of Elenin, Levy and Honda that would appear in 2012 -2014 that have similar parallels to the Hopi prophecy?

Like you, Slimjim22, Iíd love this to be the blue katchina for humankind is definitely in need of guidance through what will be a very bad time soon. And if Elenin is the blue katchina and Levy the Red (Purifier) then weíre in for some really Ďstrangeí events.

But whatever happens I fear no comet hitting the planet that would wipe it out. I share the same confidence of the traditional natives that the Star Ancestors (the returning white brothers as mentioned in the prophecies) will not allow this.

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Posted 22 August 2011 - 03:36 PM

View PostDamrod, on 21 August 2011 - 04:53 PM, said:

Here's one version of the Hopi Prophecy I came across...

Instructions...consume one large helping of salt and press tongue firmly to inside surface of cheek...


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Brilliant!  Love it! :lol:


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Posted 22 August 2011 - 08:51 PM

View PostDamrod, on 21 August 2011 - 04:53 PM, said:

Here's one version of the Hopi Prophecy I came across...

Instructions...consume one large helping of salt and press tongue firmly to inside surface of cheek...

Ok, but is the salt before or after the shot of tequila?  :unsure2:

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Posted 22 August 2011 - 10:48 PM

I need a shot after watching videos on this.

Theoreticlly speaking would you want to know if a cataclysm was predictable?

The alignments matching up with earthquakes is hard to ignore but we try, what if we start seeing a shaodw(nebulous) trailing these comets?

I can't remember ever hearing about so many comets so perhaps it is distracting attention from the real issue.

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Posted 22 August 2011 - 11:18 PM

View PostLilly, on 22 August 2011 - 08:51 PM, said:

Ok, but is the salt before or after the shot of tequila?  :unsure2:

Gotta do it like Chevy Chase in the Original Caddyshack movie...bite the lime, snort the salt and chuck the tequila over your shoulder... :P


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Posted 23 August 2011 - 12:11 AM

View PostDamrod, on 22 August 2011 - 11:18 PM, said:

Gotta do it like Chevy Chase in the Original Caddyshack movie...bite the lime, snort the salt and chuck the tequila over your shoulder... :P

Yeah, but if you don't drink the tequila (and perhaps eat the worm) you're not going to get the really *good* prophetic visions.  :lol:

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Posted 23 August 2011 - 09:08 PM

Ok...I admit it...the first thing I thought of was the comets when this happened where I live today...

http://cosmiclog.msn...e-has-big-reach

It's a little odd....to say the least.


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Posted 23 August 2011 - 10:09 PM

This quake could actually have a positive impact. It releases built up geomagnetic energy and eases the tension. It could also have released electromagnetic energy that allowed for altered states on this day. I would not be surprised if people in the area start seeing God or aliens.

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