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#76    vitruvian12

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 02:03 PM

View PostRat Girl, on 13 September 2011 - 12:29 PM, said:

This was a proven hoax.
It was made by some people doing a horror movie. Theres another video of the same creature walking toward the camera out of an ally-way, and its a lot more obvious on that one that its CGI. So yeah, best not to base anything on a proven fake.
He already knows its fake, hes been told that repeatedly.


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Posted 13 September 2011 - 04:25 PM

I honestly believe these reported sightings of 'grey, four legged, skinny dog like things' are down to our old friend the dog/fox/wolf or even bear with mange.
Darkly pigmented animals have grey skin. This is my hairless rat, Tallulah, showing this (she would be black or dark brown if she had hair):

http://www.shadowrat...s/tallulah1.jpg
http://www.shadowrat...s/tallulah2.jpg

And mange often makes animals look skinnier and more 'lanky'. Animals that are unwell are often more likely to be in places they shouldn't, too.


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Posted 14 September 2011 - 12:31 PM

View PostRat Girl, on 13 September 2011 - 04:25 PM, said:

I honestly believe these reported sightings of 'grey, four legged, skinny dog like things' are down to our old friend the dog/fox/wolf or even bear with mange.
Darkly pigmented animals have grey skin. This is my hairless rat, Tallulah, showing this (she would be black or dark brown if she had hair):

http://www.shadowrat...s/tallulah1.jpg
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And mange often makes animals look skinnier and more 'lanky'. Animals that are unwell are often more likely to be in places they shouldn't, too.
Do you have a link to the people saying it was their fake please, as I haven't seen it? Funnily enough The second one is probably a fake, because I remember something similar but it was definitely a large cat which they've swopped with I think. You can't be serious about all the sightings being mistaken, surely! That's so lame..

The object, known by the locals as "Bicho Voador" (Flying Animal), or "Bicho Sugador" (Sucking Animal), has the shape of a rounded ship and attacks people in isolation.

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 12:52 PM

View Posttailormaneinafog, on 14 September 2011 - 12:31 PM, said:

Do you have a link to the people saying it was their fake please, as I haven't seen it? Funnily enough The second one is probably a fake, because I remember something similar but it was definitely a large cat which they've swopped with I think. You can't be serious about all the sightings being mistaken, surely! That's so lame..

As said above, you've apparently already been shown that it is a fake. I found it was a fake by browsing this forum and seeing a topic on it, do a search and you'll probably find the same thread I found that debunked it. I don't have time to search for you right now.
It is more likely that all the sightings were mistaken than it is that even 10 of them were 'dog-men'. There is existing evidence for hairless and mangey animals. There is none for 'dog-men', no bones, no corpses, none captured etc.


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Posted 14 September 2011 - 01:00 PM

View PostRat Girl, on 14 September 2011 - 12:52 PM, said:

As said above, you've apparently already been shown that it is a fake. I found it was a fake by browsing this forum and seeing a topic on it, do a search and you'll probably find the same thread I found that debunked it. I don't have time to search for you right now.
It is more likely that all the sightings were mistaken than it is that even 10 of them were 'dog-men'. There is existing evidence for hairless and mangey animals. There is none for 'dog-men', no bones, no corpses, none captured etc.
Good point about the lack of remains. I assume that they are very smart and dispose of their dead in a single out-of-the-way place, just like they do with their urine (assuming it's a hyrax species!)

The object, known by the locals as "Bicho Voador" (Flying Animal), or "Bicho Sugador" (Sucking Animal), has the shape of a rounded ship and attacks people in isolation.

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 04:55 PM

View Posttailormaneinafog, on 14 September 2011 - 01:00 PM, said:

Good point about the lack of remains. I assume that they are very smart and dispose of their dead in a single out-of-the-way place, just like they do with their urine (assuming it's a hyrax species!)

Hyrax are short, squat, rodents with rounded bodies. These supposed dog-men are lean, tall, lanky creatures. I don't see the comparison.
But as for disposing of their dead, I still think something would have been found by now. Humans also bury our dead, and yet we're always digging up human remains.


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Posted 15 September 2011 - 12:36 PM

View PostRat Girl, on 14 September 2011 - 04:55 PM, said:

Hyrax are short, squat, rodents with rounded bodies. These supposed dog-men are lean, tall, lanky creatures. I don't see the comparison.
But as for disposing of their dead, I still think something would have been found by now. Humans also bury our dead, and yet we're always digging up human remains.
(i) Evolution
(ii) Not bury their dead like us, but drop them into hidden deep rocky crevices

The object, known by the locals as "Bicho Voador" (Flying Animal), or "Bicho Sugador" (Sucking Animal), has the shape of a rounded ship and attacks people in isolation.

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Posted 15 September 2011 - 12:47 PM

I just rediscovered this which mentions the grey colour as well as the sagittal crest, as seen in a 'dogman photo'

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Posted 15 September 2011 - 01:55 PM

View Posttailormaneinafog, on 15 September 2011 - 12:36 PM, said:

(i) Evolution
(ii) Not bury their dead like us, but drop them into hidden deep rocky crevices
Does (ii) realley seem reasonable to you? That they have successfully hidden all their dead from us in convenient hidden deep rocky crevices?  Given that you place these creature almost everywhere, some of them would be dragging bodies quite a distance to find such a spot. If they are so perfect at hiding their dead why are the apparently so bad at being spotted while still alive if we are to take your many sighting reports seriously?


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Posted 15 September 2011 - 02:26 PM

View Postvitruvian12, on 15 September 2011 - 01:55 PM, said:

Does (ii) realley seem reasonable to you? That they have successfully hidden all their dead from us in convenient hidden deep rocky crevices?  Given that you place these creature almost everywhere, some of them would be dragging bodies quite a distance to find such a spot. If they are so perfect at hiding their dead why are the apparently so bad at being spotted while still alive if we are to take your many sighting reports seriously?
Because they go out in the day to fish. They need light to see the fish in the water just like us. They'll use moonlight if they have to, of course, which is why they're seen 5 days after a full moon when the tides are also manageable.

P.S. So don't tell me , you're also having trouble finding a link to 'the guys claiming the road crossing as their fake'?

Edited by tailormaneinafog, 15 September 2011 - 02:28 PM.

The object, known by the locals as "Bicho Voador" (Flying Animal), or "Bicho Sugador" (Sucking Animal), has the shape of a rounded ship and attacks people in isolation.

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Posted 16 September 2011 - 12:57 AM

View Posttailormaneinafog, on 15 September 2011 - 12:36 PM, said:

(i) Evolution

This is a ridiculous 'explanation' for it being a hyrax. By this reasoning, you can say its any species under the sun, and when someone says 'but they're nothing alike!' you can just say 'evolution!!!!'
By your reasoning, I can argue that dog-man sightings are an evolved form of badger, or lizard, or goose, take your pick of species.
This does not work.
Evolution works in keeping useful features around, not just randomly changing animals at will. Basically, there were a load of blind monkeys......

A hyrax eats mainly grass, hence why it is small and low to the ground, so it can successfully graze, much like rabbits, to whom it is not dissimilar.
I can't think of a structure less suited to grazing than a 6ft tall, long limbed, lanky biped. It would have to lean right down to get at the grass, leaving itself open and vulnerable to attack, much like a giraffe drinking.
But then I suppose you're going to tell me the hyrax has 'evolved' to now eat things other than vegetation?

So let me check I have this right......its a hyrax which has 'evolved' (sic) to the point where it now bears absolutely no resemblance to a hyrax any more.
We evolved from apes, and we still look like apes. You can look at a chimp and then look at us and absolutely see the comparisons between us.

By your logic, I can claim to be an evolved form of rat. People will say 'but you look nothing like a rat, nor act like one!' and I can just say 'evolution!'

How has the hyrax managed to evolve into something that looks nothing like its original form? I mean.....nothing like it.
You expect people to believe that a small, squat, short limbed, furry, rodent-like grazing mammal has somehow 'evolved' into a 6ft tall, grey skinned, hairless, lanky-limbed, omnivorous/carnivorous, super fast, glowy-eyed, human-esque beast?
Why a hyrax, the most random damn animal you could pick? It be more logical, even, to suggest it was an evolved ape or canine since at the very least, reported sightings of 'dog men' match at least some of the characteristics of these species.
I see absolutely zero Hyrax characteristics in these reports, yet you still think it is one?
How? Just answer me that. Im baffled as to how you came to this conclusion. What evidence is there that these creatures are anything to do with an obscure little African grazing mammal?

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Posted 19 September 2011 - 12:59 PM

Here's something which leaves that familiar nasty odour, which fits the hyrax hypothesis btw. This individual is reported white, which might be a genetic variation of a mammal, such as a rare white stag etc. THE MURPHYSBORO MUD MONSTER, The Strange Beast that Prowled a Southern Illinois town

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The monster was first seen around midnight on June 25, 1973. A young couple, Randy Needham and Judy Johnson, were parked near a boat ramp into the Big Muddy River near Murphysboro when they heard a strange, roaring cry that shattered the stillness of the night. It came from the nearby woods and both of them looked up to see a huge shape lumbering toward them. Whatever it was, it continue to make the horrible sound and they later described the noise as "something not human".

According to their account, the monster was about seven feet tall and covered with a matted, whitish hair. The "fur" was streaked liberally with mud from the river. By the time the creature approached to within 20 feet of them, they quickly left the scene. They went directly to the Murphysboro police station...

Randy and Cheryl spotted the monster at about 10:30 PM, while sitting on the back porch of the Ray house. They heard the sound of something moving in the woods near the river and then spotted the muddy, white creature staring at them with glowing pink eyes. Cheryl would insist that the eyes were actually glowing and were not reflecting light from some other source. They estimated that it weighed at least 350 pounds, stood seven feet tall, had a roundish head and long, ape-like arms. Cheryl turned on the porch light and Randy went for a closer look. The creature seemed unconcerned and finally ambled off into the woods. Investigators would later find a trail of broken tree branches and crushed undergrowth, along with a number of large footprints. They also noticed a strong odor left in the monster's wake, but it didn't last for very long.


Edited by tailormaneinafog, 19 September 2011 - 01:00 PM.

The object, known by the locals as "Bicho Voador" (Flying Animal), or "Bicho Sugador" (Sucking Animal), has the shape of a rounded ship and attacks people in isolation.

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Posted 19 September 2011 - 01:04 PM

More from Illinois. This account gives the yellow eyes and bad odour Farmer City Monster

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When one hears of “Bigfoot”, one of two thoughts immediately come to mind: a large, lumbering four-wheel drive vehicle popular at state fairs or a large, lumbering “ape-man”-like beast that roams the Pacific Northwest. Rarely would one think of running into one on your “trip to town” or driving across the plains of Illinois, but consider the year 1970 in Illinois…
The Farmer City Monster
It was in July of 1970 that four teens parked at a popular “lover’s lane” woods area near Farmer City received the fright of their lives when a huge, hairy humanoid with piercing yellow eyes decided to see what was going on in their car. After the creature was “scared away” by a flashlight, the terrified girls demanded to be taken home immediately. The boys returned to investigate and again encountered the creature; even with windows closed its stench permeated the vehicle. They didn’t stay for long. The boys led local police to the area, but a search turned up only a much flattened area of foliage - hypothesized to be its “nest”.
During the next two weeks, multiple sightings of the creature were made around the area - including one sighting by a Farmer City police officer. A week after this sighting, the creature was spotted 20 miles southwest in Weldon Springs State Park near Clinton IL - it was “bathing” in a lake, but fled to dense woods when it realized it was spotted.
Days later the creature migrated 15 miles north to Heyworth IL where it was spotted late at night crouching by the side of a county back road - it jumped and fled when the car slowed to observe it. The startled observer described it as “ape-like”.
Still seemingly on the move, the beast was, 10 days later witnessed by a team of construction workers outside of Waynesville IL (10 miles west of Heyworth). It sprinted across the road (from woods to woods) in front of their van near dusk. Another Waynesville resident reported seeing it too within days.
But then…no more reports or sightings were made.
Illinois can be a weird place...


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Posted 19 September 2011 - 01:14 PM

There's more. Loren Coleman covered this one. Note the odour and three-toed tracks. The berry-picking fits with non-meat eating hypothesis Cole Hollow Road Monster

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Now the media seems to be rediscovering these old reports. Here’s my summary of these cases, followed by the new article.

In May 1972, there were new reports coming in from the Pekin and Peoria, Illinois, areas. In late May, a young man named Randy Emmert, and some friends, reported a large, hairy creature near Cole Hollow Road. This monster was 8-10 feet tall and whitish in color. The witnesses stated that it made a loud, screeching sound and they suspected that it was living in a hole beneath an abandoned house. It also left very unusual tracks, having only three toes on each foot. Soon, others were reporting the same monster and it became known as “Cohomo,” short for the “Cole Hollow Road Monster”.

On May 25, local police logged more than 200 calls about the monster, including one where the creature destroyed a fence. The police departments were naturally skeptical, but the calls kept coming in. By July 1972, there had been so many sightings that 100 volunteers were organized to search for Cohomo. Finally, Tazewell County sheriff’s officers sent the volunteers home after one of them, Carl R. Harris, accidentally shot himself in the leg with a .22 caliber pistol.

The sightings continued and they couldn’t be written off to local “panic” either. One witness, from Eureka, knew nothing about the creature, yet happened to be in Fondulac Park, in East Peoria, for a birthday party. He sighted the creature.

Cohomo was seen again on July 27, 1972, as East Peoria Police reported that he was spotted by “two reliable citizens” swimming in the Illinois River. They got close enough to him to know that he smelled awful and looked like a “cross between an ape and a caveman.”

After that, Cohomo was gone.

Now today’s story….

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On July 28, a rural Pekin woman reported that she saw Cohomo while picking berries by an old coal mine. The woman told the Tazewell County Sheriff’s office she was so scared she ran off, leaving her purse behind.

That same night, East Peoria Police said two reliable citizens claimed they saw Cohomo. It was described as 10 feet tall. The creature’s face had long, gray U-shaped ears and a red mouth with sharp teeth. The reliable citizens said the creature possessed thumbs with long second joints and looked like a cross between an ape and a cave man.


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Posted 19 September 2011 - 01:20 PM

Something similar. Note that two back 3 toed feet together would make 6 toed prints The Enfield Horror

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The vast reaches of forest and open fields of southern Illinois, combined with the sparse population in some areas, seem to invite weirdness that might not occur in cities and more crowded locales. In the most southern portions of the region, the Shawnee National Forest covers miles and miles of territory. The acres of forest seem almost untouched by man and some believe that strange things occasionally pass through here, unseen by human eyes.

This southern portion of the state is sometimes referred to as the “Devil’s Kitchen”, a designation left behind by the Native Americans and the early settlers to explain strange sights and sounds like unexplained balls of light, apparitions, screams in the night and various other unsettling types of phenomena. The Native Americans often considered such sites as “sacred” but the settlers usually believed them to be “cursed”, or at least well avoided. The idea that such locations were linked to the "Devil" was the first thought that crossed the minds of the bible-reading, god-fearing folks and they promptly set about to do two things. They learned to avoid these strange and haunted places and secondly, they gave names to the spots to alert other visitors and settlers of the dangers of the area. In the case of the Devil’s Kitchen, just about anything is possible, from ghosts reports to mystery animals and weird monster sightings.

Perhaps strangest monster reports to ever take place in Illinois began in April 1973 in the small town of Enfield. This tiny community in southeastern Illinois became the scene of bizarre happenings for a short period of time and while the case has largely been forgotten today, it remains a part of the high strangeness of the region.

Henry McDaniel of Enfield almost became the first man to be arrested because of the Enfield Horror. White County Sheriff Roy Poshard Jr. threatened to lock McDaniel for telling folks about the weird events that took place at his home in April 1973, but McDaniel stuck by his story and his initial report would begin what became a nightmare for the small town. According to McDaniel, he was at home on the evening of April 25 when he heard a scratching on his door. When he opened it, he couldn't believe his eyes! "It had three legs on it," McDaniel swore, " as short body, two little short arms coming out of its breast area and two pink eyes as big as flashlights. It stood four and a half to five feet tall and was grayish-colored. It was trying to get into the house."

Needless to say, McDaniel was not letting it in and he quickly retrieved a pistol. He kicked open the door and opened fire. After his first shot, McDaniel knew that he had hit it. The creature "hissed like a wildcat" and scampered away, covering 75 feet in three jumps. It disappeared into the brush along a railroad embankment near the house.

McDaniel quickly called the police and Illinois state troopers who responded to the call found tracks "like those of a dog, except they had six toe pads." The tracks were measured and two of them were four inches across and the third was slightly smaller.

Investigators soon learned that a young boy, Greg Garrett, who lived just behind McDaniel, had been playing in his yard about a half-hour before. Suddenly, the creature had appeared and attacked him. Apparently though, it just stepped on his feet, but this was enough to tear the boy's tennis shoes to shreds. Greg had run into the house, crying hysterically.

On May 6, Henry McDaniel was awakened in the middle of the night by howling neighborhood dogs. He looked out his front door and saw the monster again. It was standing out near the railroad tracks. "I didn't shoot at it or anything," McDaniel reported. "It started on down the railroad track. It wasn't in a hurry or anything."

McDaniel's reports soon brought publicity to Enfield and prompted the threats from the county sheriff, but it was too late. Soon, hordes of curiosity-seekers, reporters and researchers descended on the town. Among the "monster hunters" were five young men who were arrested by Deputy Sheriff Jim Clark as "threats to public safety" and for hunting violations. This was after they had opened fire on a gray, hairy thing that they had seen in some underbrush on May 8. Two of the men thought they had hit it, but it sped off, moving faster than a man could.

One more credible witness to the monster was Rick Rainbow, who was then the news director of radio station WWKI in Kokomo, Indiana. He and three other persons spotted the monster near an abandoned house, just a short distance from McDaniel's place. They didn't get much of a look at it as it was running away from them, but they later described it as about five feet tall, gray and stooped over. Rainbow did manage to tape record its cry. The wailing was also heard by eminent researcher Loren Coleman, who  also came to try and track down the creature. He also heard the sound while searching an area near the McDaniel home.

A short time later, the sightings ended as abruptly as they began. No explanation was ever given as to what this bizarre monster may have been, where it may have come from, or where it disappeared to. Some had surmised that perhaps it was connected to UFO activity that was also reported in the general area at the time - but we will never really know for sure!


The object, known by the locals as "Bicho Voador" (Flying Animal), or "Bicho Sugador" (Sucking Animal), has the shape of a rounded ship and attacks people in isolation.




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