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Posted 01 September 2011 - 03:04 AM

Wednesday, August 31, 2011 http://www.mcclatchy...dren-in-us.html

WikiLeaks: Iraqi children in U.S. raid shot in head, U.N. says

This cell phone photo was shot by a resident of Ishaqi on March 15, 2006, of bodies Iraqi police said were of children executed by U.S. troops after a night raid there. A State Department cable obtained by WikiLeaks quotes the U.N. investigator of extrajudicial killings as saying an autopsy showed the residents of the house had been handcuffed and shot in the head, including children under the age of 5. McClatchy obtained the photo from a resident when the incident occurred. |
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By Matthew Schofield | McClatchy Newspapers

A U.S. diplomatic cable made public by WikiLeaks provides evidence that U.S. troops executed at least 10 Iraqi civilians, including a woman in her 70s and a 5-month-old infant, then called in an airstrike to destroy the evidence, during a controversial 2006 incident in the central Iraqi town of Ishaqi.

The unclassified cable, which was posted on WikiLeaks' website last week, contained questions from a United Nations investigator about the incident, which had angered local Iraqi officials, who demanded some kind of action from their government. U.S. officials denied at the time that anything inappropriate had occurred.

But Philip Alston, the U.N.'s special rapporteur on extrajudicial, summary or arbitrary executions, said in a communication to American officials dated 12 days after the March 15, 2006, incident that autopsies performed in the Iraqi city of Tikrit showed that all the dead had been handcuffed and shot in the head. Among the dead were four women and five children. The children were all 5 years old or younger.

Reached by email Wednesday, Alston said that as of 2010 — the most recent data he had — U.S. officials hadn't responded to his request for information and that Iraq's government also hadn't been forthcoming. He said the lack of response from the United States "was the case with most of the letters to the U.S. in the 2006-2007 period," when fighting in Iraq peaked.

Alston said he could provide no further information on the incident. "The tragedy," he said, "is that this elaborate system of communications is in place but the (U.N.) Human Rights Council does nothing to follow up when states ignore issues raised with them."

The Pentagon didn't respond to a request for comment. At the time, American military officials in Iraq said the accounts of townspeople who witnessed the events were highly unlikely to be true, and they later said the incident didn't warrant further investigation. Military officials also refused to reveal which units might have been involved in the incident.

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 03:18 AM

At this point, I'm not going to talk about whether or not I believe it really happened this way... But I would like to know what reason the U.S. soldiers could POSSIBLY have to commit such a heinous act??
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Posted 01 September 2011 - 03:28 AM

View PostThe Man In the Dark, on 01 September 2011 - 03:18 AM, said:

At this point, I'm not going to talk about whether or not I believe it really happened this way... But I would like to know what reason the U.S. soldiers could POSSIBLY have to commit such a heinous act??
The only reason I assume is that the person they were looking for wasn't there, but they had already killed people by the time they realized this and so they decided to kill the witnesses and destroyed the evidence.

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 03:33 AM

View PostWickian, on 01 September 2011 - 03:28 AM, said:

The only reason I assume is that the person they were looking for wasn't there, but they had already killed people by the time they realized this and so they decided to kill the witnesses and destroyed the evidence.

Unless I misunderstood what I read, I think that it said they were met with gunfire when they arrived at the building. At that point I don't think that they would need to kill any witnesses. But of course I could be wrong.
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Posted 01 September 2011 - 03:43 AM

View PostThe Man In the Dark, on 01 September 2011 - 03:33 AM, said:

Unless I misunderstood what I read, I think that it said they were met with gunfire when they arrived at the building. At that point I don't think that they would need to kill any witnesses. But of course I could be wrong.


They (the family) were also hand cuffed and shot in the head. The bombing of the site was to cover it up. So it states.  I remember watching a video of something similar years ago but can not find nor would I post it.
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Posted 01 September 2011 - 03:49 AM

View PostThe Silver Thong, on 01 September 2011 - 03:43 AM, said:

They (the family) were also hand cuffed and shot in the head. The bombing of the site was to cover it up. So it states.  I remember watching a video of something similar years ago but can not find nor would I post it.

Yes yes, I understand what was written in the article. But I'm still trying to wrap my head around WHY they would kill children and elderly civilians in the first place. Were they just completely insane? I'd like to think that they'd consider the mental status of potential military personnel before they enlist.
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Posted 01 September 2011 - 03:59 AM

View PostThe Man In the Dark, on 01 September 2011 - 03:49 AM, said:

Yes yes, I understand what was written in the article. But I'm still trying to wrap my head around WHY they would kill children and elderly civilians in the first place. Were they just completely insane? I'd like to think that they'd consider the mental status of potential military personnel before they enlist.

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 04:00 AM

View Postel midgetron, on 01 September 2011 - 03:59 AM, said:

Ever hear of Vietnam?

No I never have heard of Vietnam, but regardless, I wasn't talking about Vietnam either.
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Posted 01 September 2011 - 04:04 AM

View PostThe Man In the Dark, on 01 September 2011 - 03:49 AM, said:

Yes yes, I understand what was written in the article. But I'm still trying to wrap my head around WHY they would kill children and elderly civilians in the first place. Were they just completely insane? I'd like to think that they'd consider the mental status of potential military personnel before they enlist.



Bad Intel, bad soldiers, heat of the moment, racisim, the fact they had a few buddies killed. The cable states they were handcuffed and shot in the head. The reason why is a guess. The real mystery is why it was covered up.

Edited by The Silver Thong, 01 September 2011 - 04:05 AM.

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 04:06 AM

Lol at the Vietnam thing.

I wouldn't doubt this. I've heard many horror stories from active duty friends.

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 04:06 AM

View PostThe Silver Thong, on 01 September 2011 - 04:04 AM, said:

Bad Intel, bad soldiers, heat of the moment, racisim, the fact they had a few buddies killed. The cable states they were handcuffed and shot in the head. The reason why is a guess. The real mystery is why it was covered up.

Damn... War is an ugly thing.
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Posted 01 September 2011 - 04:15 AM

View PostThe Man In the Dark, on 01 September 2011 - 04:06 AM, said:

Damn... War is an ugly thing.

Really ugly when the victim of war is innocent. Iraqi was innocent for the reasons America went to war with it. The war is more like a gang with ak47`s robbing a 7-11.

I did a little looking and found a video that may be this incident or something close to it. Will not post a link though.

View PostObsessive, on 01 September 2011 - 04:06 AM, said:

Lol at the Vietnam thing.

I wouldn't doubt this. I've heard many horror stories from active duty friends.


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Posted 01 September 2011 - 04:16 AM

View PostThe Man In the Dark, on 01 September 2011 - 04:00 AM, said:

No I never have heard of Vietnam, but regardless, I wasn't talking about Vietnam either.

:lol: Fair enough.

My point is that such violence against civilians has been legacy of our military actions long before Iraq. I certainly don't justify it or mean to gloss it over, however asking "why" seems to negate our military's history.

To the root of your question, I imagine the answer has been widely explored in academia. I suspect the psychology of military training coupled with the stresses of combat situations has a tendency to cause tragic indecents such as this.  Although, as I truly don't wish to gloss the issue over, I'll suggest that the specific details of such indecents are much more complex than my synopsis.
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Posted 01 September 2011 - 04:19 AM

View PostThe Silver Thong, on 01 September 2011 - 04:15 AM, said:

Really ugly when the victim of war is innocent. Iraqi was innocent for the reasons America went to war with it. The war is more like a gang with ak47`s robbing a 7-11.

I did a little looking and found a video that may be this incident or something close to it. Will not post a link though.

I'm not going to pretend to know what's going on over there. I truly believe that the only people who really understand are the ones who are fighting, and apparently committing murder, over seas. Of course as an American, and if this is factual, I am ashamed that our military is taking part in such acts.

Edited by The Man In the Dark, 01 September 2011 - 04:20 AM.

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 04:23 AM

View Postel midgetron, on 01 September 2011 - 04:16 AM, said:

:lol: Fair enough.

My point is that such violence against civilians has been legacy of our military actions long before Iraq. I certainly don't justify it or mean to gloss it over, however asking "why" seems to negate our military's history.

To the root of your question, I imagine the answer has been widely explored in academia. I suspect the psychology of military training coupled with the stresses of combat situations has a tendency to cause tragic indecents such as this.  Although, as I truly don't wish to gloss the issue over, I'll suggest that the specific details of such indecents are much more complex than my synopsis.

You do know of course that I was joking about the Vietnam thing. My grandfather was one of the soldiers who was spit on upon return from Vietnam. Anyways, I agree with you're idea that the details are complex. Those soldiers may have had some serious psychological issues, or maybe they're just plain evil. Whatever the case, I just hope that it isn't as common as everyone claims it is.
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