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#16    Pestarzt

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Posted 04 September 2011 - 07:10 PM

View PostbooNyzarC, on 04 September 2011 - 06:26 PM, said:

Yeah, like the explanation some people suggest about them being alien piloted vehicles. :rolleyes:

You think there are not beings not from Earth visiting here? Seriously?

Boony. I commend you on sticking to the evidential aspect and only believing what you can taste, see and feel. But there comes a time when you have to let logic and common sense take a ride and see how it goes.

Everyone knows there is no evidence been issued yet by authorities. Everyone knows it is the easiest thing in the world to say "prove or it didn't happen".

You can only take this idea so far when faced with such an abundance of credible reports and other literature. You then have to step back and face a reality which you might not deep down be prepared for or even like but which is a fact all the same.

How much longer will the world laugh at itself??


It is now (in my eyes and hopefully many others), beyond the nit picking pedantry that most discussions disintegrate into and is in fact a time to actually wake up and realise what the hell is actually going on with regard to other life forms not from this planet actively maneuvering around in our environment at will.

I am so going to enjoy the "i told you so" aspect of disclosure when it happens probably just as much as the event itself because a lot of people are going to be put in their places.

Maybe this is just a slightly sadistic and unbecoming trait of mine.. but boy... i cannot wait!

*rubs hands


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Posted 04 September 2011 - 07:19 PM

View PostbooNyzarC, on 04 September 2011 - 06:09 PM, said:

  In that sense I accept your proclamation that you "KNOW."  It is the same type of faith that I have for my belief in God, and my faith in that is unshakable despite the fact that I wouldn't be able to prove the existence of God to another person if my life depended on it.



No it is not the same type of faith at all Boony.

Have you seen your God? ..... I have seen my "god" there is a big difference. ... it was oval, orange, about 8 feet long and had a black diagonal stripe on it.

So yes...a difference so big that it erases any validity in your statement.


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Posted 04 September 2011 - 07:49 PM

View PostPestarzt, on 04 September 2011 - 07:10 PM, said:

You think there are not beings not from Earth visiting here? Seriously?
There may be aliens visiting Earth, I don't know one way or the other.  But I certainly won't make that assumption without irrefutable proof.  Seriously.



View PostPestarzt, on 04 September 2011 - 07:10 PM, said:

Boony. I commend you on sticking to the evidential aspect and only believing what you can taste, see and feel. But there comes a time when you have to let logic and common sense take a ride and see how it goes.
Logic and common sense are what I'm using.  ETH believers seem to want me to use imagination.



View PostPestarzt, on 04 September 2011 - 07:10 PM, said:

Everyone knows there is no evidence been issued yet by authorities. Everyone knows it is the easiest thing in the world to say "prove or it didn't happen".
And yet there are so many people who are faithful to the ETH despite this lack of evidence.  I'm of the opinion that this speaks more of the human condition than of anything alien.



View PostPestarzt, on 04 September 2011 - 07:10 PM, said:

You can only take this idea so far when faced with such an abundance of credible reports and other literature. You then have to step back and face a reality which you might not deep down be prepared for or even like but which is a fact all the same.

How much longer will the world laugh at itself??
I'm prepared for ET visitation, but to call it current fact is incorrect.  Yes, there are many credible reports from credible people.  But that doesn't mean the only answer is ET.



View PostPestarzt, on 04 September 2011 - 07:10 PM, said:

It is now (in my eyes and hopefully many others), beyond the nit picking pedantry that most discussions disintegrate into and is in fact a time to actually wake up and realise what the hell is actually going on with regard to other life forms not from this planet actively maneuvering around in our environment at will.
What is actually going on?  What life forms, not from this planet, are maneuvering around in our environment at will and how can you prove such a thing?  We don't have sufficient evidence to make this leap.  You are free to believe as you wish, but just because you believe it does not necessarily mean it is true.



View PostPestarzt, on 04 September 2011 - 07:10 PM, said:

I am so going to enjoy the "i told you so" aspect of disclosure when it happens probably just as much as the event itself because a lot of people are going to be put in their places.

Maybe this is just a slightly sadistic and unbecoming trait of mine.. but boy... i cannot wait!

*rubs hands
I'd love nothing more regarding this subject than for actual verifiable evidence to come to light which is worthy of your faith.



View PostPestarzt, on 04 September 2011 - 07:19 PM, said:

No it is not the same type of faith at all Boony.

Have you seen your God? ..... I have seen my "god" there is a big difference. ... it was oval, orange, about 8 feet long and had a black diagonal stripe on it.

So yes...a difference so big that it erases any validity in your statement.
It is exactly the same type of faith Pestarzt.  You haven't seen an alien.  You believe that you have seen an 8 foot long orange/yellow object with a stripe on it which acted in a way that you can't conceive as terrestrial in origin.  Nothing more.  Nothing less.

Exactly the same type of faith.


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Posted 04 September 2011 - 08:03 PM

Boony i realise this is an open forum and this thread doesn't "belong" to me but could you please keep your multiquote trolling for another thread besides this one? Nit picking and pecking serves no other purpose other than to clutter up a thread with attempted one up man ship which in your case always fails against me. You got destroyed in this thread i admit it. Maybe destroyed is too harsh a word  :w00t: but it will suffice so i expect some sort of comeback but to just flatly deny my answers and then repeat your accusation  that my "faith" is the same as your invisible man "faith" just truly beggars belief! It is trolling to the upper most degree.

It is very tiresome to repeat things over and over. So in response to your post there i refer you to my posts i made prior.


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Posted 04 September 2011 - 08:19 PM

View PostPestarzt, on 04 September 2011 - 08:03 PM, said:

Boony i realise this is an open forum and this thread doesn't "belong" to me but could you please keep your multiquote trolling for another thread besides this one? Nit picking and pecking serves no other purpose other than to clutter up a thread with attempted one up man ship which in your case always fails against me. You got destroyed in this thread i admit it. Maybe destroyed is too harsh a word  :w00t: but it will suffice so i expect some sort of comeback but to just flatly deny my answers and then repeat your accusation  that my "faith" is the same as your invisible man "faith" just truly beggars belief! It is trolling to the upper most degree.

It is very tiresome to repeat things over and over. So in response to your post there i refer you to my posts i made prior.

Hi Pestarzt,

By all means of respect, but I do not understand the animosity against Boony with respect to his posts, which I typically find very educated and objective. You post on an open forum and thus invite all members to reply within the rules of the forum. And I cannot see that Boony points out anything but the obvious. You could put him on ignore, but I would find that a loss :)

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Posted 04 September 2011 - 08:24 PM

I'm not trolling you Pestarzt.  If you think I am, please report my post to the Mod team.

I'm merely resonding to the things that you've said.  Is that alright with you?

As far as my being "destroyed" on this thread goes, can you please point me to the section where I was?  I've re-read it now and I'm still not seeing what you seem to perceive.


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Posted 04 September 2011 - 08:27 PM

View PostPestarzt, on 04 September 2011 - 04:53 PM, said:





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The interview with Ed Mitchell is very interesting. I have said occasionally that the government has been covering up ET visitation and that we are now on the road to full disclosure. Despite the government cover-up, hundreds of government officials around the world have come forward and indicated that ET visitation is a reality, and some are astronauts, military, and intelligence officials.

In addition, governments around the world have begun to open their UFO files and I expect more to come. I might add that a member of my chapter was on the flight crew that flew the Apollo 14 astronauts back to Texas after they returned from the moon. In fact, I flew with him just the other day in his personal airplane.

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Posted 04 September 2011 - 09:00 PM

View PostPestarzt, on 04 September 2011 - 07:10 PM, said:

You think there are not beings not from Earth visiting here? Seriously?

Boony. I commend you on sticking to the evidential aspect and only believing what you can taste, see and feel. But there comes a time when you have to let logic and common sense take a ride and see how it goes.

Everyone knows there is no evidence been issued yet by authorities. Everyone knows it is the easiest thing in the world to say "prove or it didn't happen".

You can only take this idea so far when faced with such an abundance of credible reports and other literature. You then have to step back and face a reality which you might not deep down be prepared for or even like but which is a fact all the same.

How much longer will the world laugh at itself??


It is now (in my eyes and hopefully many others), beyond the nit picking pedantry that most discussions disintegrate into and is in fact a time to actually wake up and realise what the hell is actually going on with regard to other life forms not from this planet actively maneuvering around in our environment at will.

I am so going to enjoy the "i told you so" aspect of disclosure when it happens probably just as much as the event itself because a lot of people are going to be put in their places.

Maybe this is just a slightly sadistic and unbecoming trait of mine.. but boy... i cannot wait!

*rubs hands


this is my opinion. i don't think i can declare myself a believer, nor can i declare myself a non-believer. i just... don't... know. i want to believe, but the truth is i just don't know.

the earth is what, 4.5 billion years old? the majority of ufo data we have comes from the last 100 years. that is less than 0.00000002% of the time this planet has been around. how do i know if aliens haven't visited during that 4.5 billion years? i don't.

i think its kind of silly that people who have been around 80 years at the most are total expert on whats been around for 4.5 billion years. how do these people know what the hell has visited here??? they don't. yet they are bold enough to say they don't believe?

your entire life is not even a blip, not even close, compare to the life of this planet. i understand this, and i guess you can say i am "on the fence" or indifferent to the whole extraterrestrial thing. i am neither a believer, nor am i a non believer.


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Posted 04 September 2011 - 09:10 PM

View Postcassandra5655, on 04 September 2011 - 09:00 PM, said:

this is my opinion. i don't think i can declare myself a believer, nor can i declare myself a non-believer. i just... don't... know. i want to believe, but the truth is i just don't know.

the earth is what, 4.5 billion years old? the majority of ufo data we have comes from the last 100 years. that is less than 0.00000002% of the time this planet has been around. how do i know if aliens haven't visited during that 4.5 billion years? i don't.

i think its kind of silly that people who have been around 80 years at the most are total expert on whats been around for 4.5 billion years. how do these people know what the hell has visited here??? they don't. yet they are bold enough to say they don't believe?

your entire life is not even a blip, not even close, compare to the life of this planet. i understand this, and i guess you can say i am "on the fence" or indifferent to the whole extraterrestrial thing. i am neither a believer, nor am i a non believer.
Well said cassandra.  I think you've hit the nail on the head regarding where we should probably all be sitting when it comes to this subject.  The word I use, though not often, is agnostic.  That is how I am regarding alien visitation; agnostic.  When it comes to ET life itself, somewhere out there, I'm completely a believer in that.  I just don't see any reason to believe that alien life has actually visited us here on Earth.  I'm open to the possibility, but won't jump off the fence unless I have adequate reason.


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Posted 04 September 2011 - 10:13 PM

View PostTheMcGuffin, on 04 September 2011 - 05:43 PM, said:

We've had this discussion many times before. Without getting into discussions of dictionary definitions and semantics--which irritate me no end because they remind me of middle school English teachers--I would say that Mitchell's opinions are based on fact rather than pie in the sky speculation. He has his anonymous sources in the military and intelligence agencies, the people he knows around Roswell, and has also been briefed on aliens and UFOs.

He never names these people, but he's only saying things that that many other witnesses and documents confirm.

Witnesses, data, and documents, have confirmed that we are being visited. Even the Air Force has secretly acknownedged that the objects are not ours,and that was pretty much the case when the Air Force ordered its pilots to shoot down flying saucers. Not weather balloons, but "flying saucers."

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On July 29, 1952, International News Service (INS) announced that the Air Force had ordered its jets to shoot down any flying saucers.  The order was confirmed by an AF spokesperson.  

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Astronaut Mitchell, is in a prime position to know things about the UFO enigma that the average person on the street does not. I myself, have made it known that I am a believer based among other things, my own sighting over Vietnam in 1968. That night, many folks at the base became believers, including me.

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Posted 04 September 2011 - 11:23 PM

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Could everyone stick to the topic please.

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Posted 04 September 2011 - 11:40 PM

View PostPestarzt, on 04 September 2011 - 05:27 PM, said:

Probably he is just taking part in a wider information and easing program connected to his Government.

Even though he states clearly that his information does not come from the Government, it comes from his mates, the "Old Timers"?

I dont think so. The hypothesis would have to make sense to be plausible.

View PostPestarzt, on 04 September 2011 - 05:27 PM, said:

I see no Government or NASA officials standing up and saying Mitchell is talking out of his ass by the way.


Then you did not read NASA's statement regarding MItchell and his claims. Gee, that is some in depth research.

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In layman's terms, the above means "he is talking out of his ass". But he served his country and we are giving him respect for his efforts to further science.

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Posted 04 September 2011 - 11:41 PM

View PostTheMcGuffin, on 04 September 2011 - 05:43 PM, said:

We've had this discussion many times before. Without getting into discussions of dictionary definitions and semantics--which irritate me no end because they remind me of middle school English teachers--I would say that Mitchell's opinions are based on fact rather than pie in the sky speculation. He has his anonymous sources in the military and intelligence agencies, the people he knows around Roswell, and has also been briefed on aliens and UFOs.

He never names these people, but he's only saying things that that many other witnesses and documents confirm.


The ironic part here is that you are speculating that his speculations have some basis.

I find walking past the Foster Ranch, not altogether convincing. I am sure many have, and that gives them no special insight.

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Posted 04 September 2011 - 11:49 PM

View PostTheMcGuffin, on 04 September 2011 - 05:49 PM, said:

And even if Mitchell had seen aliens in person (so to speak) the "skeptics" would say that he was lying, senile or had really seen swamp gas reflected off the planet Venus.  This is what they always do in every case, so it's a no-win situation.  

He never did, so why create a situation that does not exist?

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Any day now.... right?

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Posted 04 September 2011 - 11:53 PM

View PostPestarzt, on 04 September 2011 - 07:19 PM, said:


Have you seen your God? ..... I have seen my "god" there is a big difference. ... it was oval, orange, about 8 feet long and had a black diagonal stripe on it.




And there we have it folks. The winning statement. The agenda is exposed.


Do not know about you Boon, I would say this explains one hell of a lot wouldn't you? I would not call it a stable position, but an explanatory one.



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