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Posted 12 November 2011 - 03:48 AM

View PostU. N.Owen, on 12 November 2011 - 01:37 AM, said:

(never, incidentally, rely on Wikipedia as your ONLY source of information: Rule One in any serious research!)

You say that like the information was false.

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Posted 16 November 2011 - 12:41 AM

SHMITTHEAD- I Totally Agree!

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Posted 17 November 2011 - 01:12 AM

It could be anything, really.  There isn't much scale to work with, is there?  It could be fish, rocks, garbage in the water...Nessie would be close to the bottom of the list of possibilities.

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Posted 17 November 2011 - 03:43 AM

The only real evidence that can be used at Loch Ness is the sonar findings... and they're inconclusive. The better, and later, sonar scans don't find the same shapes earlier did, and sonar can represent schools of fish as large objects.

It's worth noting to that the geology of Loch Ness doesn't support the idea of caves, and intense mappings of the Loch have not revealed any caves.
Many sightings seem to be of phantom waves, caused by the wedge shape of the lake reflecting boat wake back up to the surface.
(Similar to another famous glacier lake Lake Champlain, where similar sightings occur.)

Simply put sightings are not reliable.

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Posted 17 November 2011 - 09:16 AM

View Postskookum, on 10 November 2011 - 09:49 PM, said:

Looking at the famous surgeons photo it amazes me how quickly we accept something is a fake.  I mean the person who took the picture and was there never said it was a fake, yet anybody who comes forward after and claims fake it is case closed.  

This just shows how the odds are of finding evidence are against you. Not only will you be ridiculed from the beginning you will have armies of people trying to reconstruct a situation to make you out to be a liar.  Once you die that is it, only one person has to come forward and say you told them you faked it and then it becomes concrete proof.

It is a shame an equal number of people could not come forward and test scenario's to see if a picture could be feasible.

Hi skookum,

I thought the surgeon's photo was pretty well debunked as a swimmer with arm raised. Interesting/Fun thread guys. I remember all the sonar work on Loch Ness and the controvercy surrounding much of it.

cheers zedNuts, revisiting the mysteries of his youth.

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Posted 17 November 2011 - 01:20 PM

View Postzednuts, on 17 November 2011 - 09:16 AM, said:

Hi skookum,

I thought the surgeon's photo was pretty well debunked as a swimmer with arm raised. Interesting/Fun thread guys. I remember all the sonar work on Loch Ness and the controvercy surrounding much of it.

cheers zedNuts, revisiting the mysteries of his youth.

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The picture they show is just a zoom in of the whole picture.  When you see the whole thing it looks far more compelling.  You get some scale on it.  The people who have reconstructed it have only done a picture showing a small piece of water like the zoomed in version we are always shown.  when you see the whole picture it is not near to shore at all.  

That Scottish guy who is always trying to debunk it made me laugh, he stuck a bit of pipe on a piece of wood and took a picture 3 feet from the shore.  Apparently that is absolute proof it was fake.

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Posted 18 November 2011 - 05:05 AM

If he was taking a picture of the rainbow, why isn't it centered in the picture???

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Posted 13 January 2012 - 11:55 AM

Nessie was first spotted by the Vikings - Celtic and Norse folklore has stories of water horses seen in the lochs. The first written account of a meeting with Nessie seems to be that of Adamnan in 565 A.D. He describes St. Columba's sighting of a very large monster in Loch Ness.

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