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#451    Wandering

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Posted 03 November 2011 - 03:47 AM

Oh lordy Skyeagle you're back....& straight into the same old routine....

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That video is highly flawed, and to underline my point, no evidence of planted explosives was ever found after more than 10 years. Here is another example that foreign terrorist, not the U.S. government, were responsible. I have said that many times that heat weakened the structural supports to the point of failure, so it was just a matter of time before the buildings would collapse.

What explosives did the commission look for again? You don't find what you don't look for do you?!

As for your 'Al-Qaida owes damages' link, I think that's the...4th time? You've linked it. Repeating one thing over and over doesn't make it true. Essentially what your quote says is:

Insurance companies bought a suit against various defendants (your headline doesn't mention that)

Al-Qaida did not respond. (Is this a surprise?)

On the basis of....Al-Qaida saying....nothing, they are determined guilty!! The judge then TRIPLED the amount of damages, which causes more misinformation in your headline.

Glad to see you're back to you're old tricks! :lol:


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Posted 03 November 2011 - 04:03 AM

View PostWandering, on 03 November 2011 - 03:47 AM, said:

Oh lordy Skyeagle you're back....& straight into the same old routine....

What explosives did the commission look for again? You don't find what you don't look for do you?!

Once again, there were no explosives planted nor used, and no evidence found to support planted explosives after more than 10 years.

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As for your 'Al-Qaida owes damages' link, I think that's the...4th time? You've linked it. Repeating one thing over and over doesn't make it true. Essentially what your quote says is:

Well, the judge found no evidence of planted explosives either, but it seems there are those who tend to overlook the messages and hints presented to them.

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Insurance companies bought a suit against various defendants (your headline doesn't mention that)

Perhaps I should add another.

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Insurance Company Sues Saudi Arabia For "Funding The 9/11 Attacks"

Lloyd's insurance syndicate has begun a landmark legal case against Saudi Arabia, accusing the kingdom of indirectly funding al-Qa'ida and demanding the repayment of £136m it paid out to victims of the 9/11 attacks.The Brighton-based Lloyd's 3500 syndicate, which paid $215m compensation to companies and individuals involved, alleges that the oil-rich Middle Eastern superpower bears primary responsibility for the atrocity because al-Qa'ida was supported by banks and charities acting as "agents and alter egos" for the Saudi state.

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Cantor Fitzgerald lawsuit against al Qaeda, Saudi Arabia over 9/11 attacks

Cantor Fitzgerald, the bond brokerage that suffered more deaths in the Sept. 11 attacks than any other company, on September 3, 2004 sued al Qaeda, Saudi Arabia and dozens of foreign companies seeking damages related to the attacks on the World Trade Center. The suit, filed as the three-year anniversary of the airplane attacks that killed about 3,000 people approaches, is the latest filed in New York federal court against al Qaeda, including one last year by a group of insurance companies. Both towers of the World Trade Center burn after being hit by two airplanes in New York September 11, 2001. Photo by Reuters

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Al-Qaida did not respond. (Is this a surprise?)

Now, that is amusing considering that Bin Laden eventually admitted responsiblity for the 9/11 attacks, so what was Al Qaeda going to do had they responded? Apply for loans from American banks?

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Posted 03 November 2011 - 06:01 AM

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Once again, there were no explosives planted nor used, and no evidence found to support planted explosives after more than 10 years.

Based on what investigation specifically looking for explosives?

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Well, the judge found no evidence of planted explosives either, but it seems there are those who tend to overlook the messages and hints presented to them.

& the judge determined that how? Reading reports? or multiple tests for a variety of explosives?

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Now, that is amusing considering that Bin Laden eventually admitted responsiblity for the 9/11 attacks

In your interpretation of a statement made by him, which not everyone agrees with. Show me the quote where Bin Laden says 'yes I masterminded 9/11 and ordered the hijackers to do what they did, it was all me' and I will admit I'm wrong.


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Posted 03 November 2011 - 03:46 PM

View Postskyeagle409, on 03 November 2011 - 04:03 AM, said:

Now, that is amusing considering that Bin Laden eventually admitted responsiblity for the 9/11 attacks...

The following link has a lot of information on his alleged confession:
The Fake 2001 bin Laden
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Posted 03 November 2011 - 03:50 PM

View PostScott G, on 03 November 2011 - 03:46 PM, said:

The following link has a lot of information on his alleged confession:
The Fake 2001 bin Laden
Video Tape
Wouldn’t they have remembered to include a confession if the videotape were fake?

Operation Northwoods was a 1962 plan by the US Department of Defense to cause acts of violence, blamed on Cuba, in order to generate U.S. public support for military action against the Cuban government. The plan called for various false flag actions, such as staged terrorist attacks and plane hijackings, on U.S. and Cuban soil.

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Posted 03 November 2011 - 04:05 PM

View PostQ24, on 03 November 2011 - 03:50 PM, said:

Wouldn't they have remembered to include a confession if the videotape were fake?

Not necessarily; it all depends on just how fake it is. Here's an excerpt from another article regarding the alleged american tape with Osama's confession:

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While viewing the  "American video", both historic and technical inconsistencies were found. Granted, the tape is the most  analyzed tape in the world, still, most of the analysis was centered on the looks of Bin Laden, his voice  quality, his words, and none reported an investigative analysis that considered post-taping edits.  Furthermore, none of the analysis considered in depth the words of the visiting sheikh, and what he said was  crucial to pinpointing the historic inconsistencies.

Due to limited  technical capabilities, we could only report that the tape was a fourth generation edit (copy or otherwise),  that there are both VHS and digital drops on the tape, which is unusual, and that there was unwarranted  editing that might have happened post-taping. Also, and most importantly, that certain camera angles and  motions seemed too similar to a hat camera that football umpires wear. Those who are better equipped to  conduct further evaluation are encouraged to do so. (click here for hints to those interested in  conducting further technical analysis)

Source: http://whatreallyhap...r_binladen.html


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Posted 03 November 2011 - 04:20 PM

View PostScott G, on 03 November 2011 - 04:05 PM, said:

Not necessarily; it all depends on just how fake it is. Here's an excerpt from another article regarding the alleged american tape with Osama's confession:
Oh, “just how fake” are you suggesting it is?

I thought you were suggesting the bin Laden in the 2001 videotape was an actor.

I do like this line from the article, “Also, and most importantly, that certain camera angles and motions seemed too similar to a hat camera that football umpires wear”, as I have long thought this was a covert filming; bin Laden didn’t know he was on camera.

But the discussion on so called historical inaccuracies in the link is easily discarded waffle.

Operation Northwoods was a 1962 plan by the US Department of Defense to cause acts of violence, blamed on Cuba, in order to generate U.S. public support for military action against the Cuban government. The plan called for various false flag actions, such as staged terrorist attacks and plane hijackings, on U.S. and Cuban soil.

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Posted 03 November 2011 - 05:16 PM

View PostScott G, on 03 November 2011 - 03:46 PM, said:

The following link has a lot of information on his alleged confession:
The Fake 2001 bin Laden
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Here is another link.



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Bin Laden Admits 9/11 Responsibility, Warns of More Attacks

A tape aired by Al-Jazeera television Friday showed al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden admitting for the first time that he orchestrated the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks and saying the United States could face more.

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Posted 03 November 2011 - 05:24 PM

View PostScott G, on 03 November 2011 - 04:05 PM, said:

Not necessarily; it all depends on just how fake it is. Here's an excerpt from another article regarding the alleged american tape with Osama's confession:

Source: http://whatreallyhap...r_binladen.html

I want to reveal a plot, which many people are still unaware of even though I have brought this up before, but there are those who have not heard ot the plot to bomb American airliners and fly aircraft into buildings within the United States.

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Suicide-pilot plan uncovered six years ago in Philippines

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Plan to use suicide pilots against US targets was uncovered as early as six years ago during the investigation that led to the arrest of the alleged mastermind of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, a Philippine police official said yesterday.

Chief Superintendent Avelino Razon also said it was "too much coincidence" that Tuesday's attacks using commercial jets as flying bombs was close to the anniversary of the Sept. 5, 1996, conviction of Ramzi Yousef, Abdul Hakim Murad and Wali Khan Amin Shah for a plot to bomb US airliners in 1995.

Murad was arrested in Manila in January 1995 after fire broke out in an apartment he shared with fellow Pakistani Yousef, the alleged mastermind of the 1993 bombing that killed six people and injured 1,000 others. Shah says he is Saudi Arabian with links to Afghanistan.

Razon, then commander for special operations of the Presidential Security Group providing security for the visit of Pope John Paul II that began days after Murad's arrest, said he was captured after he returned to his apartment to dispose of bomb-making materials. Yousef was captured in Pakistan.

"When we interrogated Murad, he mentioned that he was a skilled pilot, trained in the US, in Afghanistan and also here in the Philippines, who was recruited to undertake a suicide mission," Razon said.

"He was committed to ... fly a plane and ram it into some targets," Razon said, adding that information from a laptop computer seized from Murad indicated one target was CIA headquarters. "There was mention of about a dozen" trained pilots to be recruited for such attacks.

"I didn't imagine that they would ram a 757 aircraft into the World Trade Center. I thought the suicide mission [would involve] a Cessna light aircraft loaded with several kilos of explosives, like a Japanese Kamikaze World War II pilot diving into a target," he said.

He said the investigation started with reports on threats to the pope that led to Murad and the discovery of an international terrorist cell in the Philippines that also "had plans to bomb US aircraft and the US CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia.''

Yousef and his group allegedly planned to bomb 11 US commercial aircraft under "Project Bojinka." But Murad's arrest foiled the plan, Razon said.

Prosecutors in the US trial of Yousef, Murad and Shah said the bombings would have killed 4,000 people in planes flying to Los Angeles, San Francisco, Honolulu and New York, and were aimed at forcing the US to pull out of the Middle East and stop supporting Israel.

The three men were convicted of all charges. Yousef also was found guilty of killing a man with a bomb on a Philippines Airlines jet in 1994 that prosecutors said was a test run for the plot.

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We need to pin the blame on foreign terrorist who were responsible for the 9/11 attacks, not the U.S. government. Had "Project Bojinka" been carried out by foreign terrorist, there would be those claiming that the U.S. government was responsible for the bombings.

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Posted 03 November 2011 - 05:24 PM

View Postskyeagle409, on 03 November 2011 - 05:16 PM, said:

Here is another link.

I hardly ever understand what you are saying, skyeagle.

Can you explain what use a confession would be if it were faked?

That is what Scott has suggested and you are responding to.

Operation Northwoods was a 1962 plan by the US Department of Defense to cause acts of violence, blamed on Cuba, in order to generate U.S. public support for military action against the Cuban government. The plan called for various false flag actions, such as staged terrorist attacks and plane hijackings, on U.S. and Cuban soil.

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Posted 03 November 2011 - 05:26 PM

View Postskyeagle409, on 03 November 2011 - 05:24 PM, said:

We need to pin the blame on foreign terrorist who were responsible for the 9/11 attacks, not the U.S. government.
Do you understand there are foreign terrorists who report to U.S. government elements?

Operation Northwoods was a 1962 plan by the US Department of Defense to cause acts of violence, blamed on Cuba, in order to generate U.S. public support for military action against the Cuban government. The plan called for various false flag actions, such as staged terrorist attacks and plane hijackings, on U.S. and Cuban soil.

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Posted 03 November 2011 - 06:41 PM

View PostWandering, on 03 November 2011 - 06:01 AM, said:

Based on what investigation specifically looking for explosives?

Why would anyone be looking for explosives?  There would not have been enough  time to plant explosives on the upper floor levels after the impacts, but look at this photo where explosives were used in 1993.

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As you can see, there are no melted steel support beams even though the support beams are sitting within the bomb crater below Tower One of the World Trade Center. In addition:


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NIST found that the condition of the steel in the wreckage of the towers does not provide conclusive information on the condition of the building before the collapse and concluded that the material coming from the South Tower was molten aluminum from the plane, which would have melted at lower temperatures than steel. NIST also pointed out that cutting through the vertical columns would require planting an enormous amount of explosives inconspicuously in highly secured buildings, then igniting it remotely while keeping it in contact with the columns.

A test performed by the Energetic Materials Research and Testing Center showed that conventional thermite was unable to melt a column much smaller than those used in the World Trade Center

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And, there was no way anyone could have planted explosives in the time frame needed after the airliners impacted the WTC buildings. Here's another point:

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Controlled demolition of a building to code requires weeks of preparation, including laying large quantities of explosive and cutting through beams, which would have rendered the building highly dangerous and which would have to be done without attracting the attention of the thousands of people who worked in the building

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In your interpretation of a statement made by him, which not everyone agrees with. Show me the quote where Bin Laden says 'yes I masterminded 9/11 and ordered the hijackers to do what they did, it was all me' and I will admit I'm wrong.

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Bin Laden Claims Responsibility for 9/11
Usama bin Laden (search ) made his first televised appearance in more  than a year Friday in which he admitted for the first time ordering the  Sept. 11 attacks and accused President Bush of "misleading" the American  people.

Injecting himself into the campaign four days ahead of the presidential  election, bin Laden said the United States can avoid another Sept. 11-style  attack if it stops threatening the security of Muslims.

In the portion of the tape that was broadcast, the Al Qaeda leader refrained from directly warning of new  attacks, although he said "there are still reasons to repeat what happened."

"Your security is not in the hands of Kerry, Bush or Al Qaeda. Your security  is in your own hands," bin Laden said, referring to the president and his  Democratic opponent. "Any state that does not mess with our security, has  naturally guaranteed its own security."

Admitting for the first time that he ordered the Sept. 11 attacks, bin Laden  said he did so because of injustices against the Lebanese and Palestinians by  Israel and the United States.


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Posted 03 November 2011 - 06:52 PM

View PostQ24, on 03 November 2011 - 05:24 PM, said:

I hardly ever understand what you are saying, skyeagle.

Can you explain what use a confession would be if it were faked?

That is what Scott has suggested and you are responding to.


Bin Laden's confession wasn't a fake. There are those who've claimed his confession was a fake, but cannot provide evidence. They have claimed that Bin Laden was dead before we got our hands on him, but even Al Qaeda and the Taliban admitted that Bin Laden was killed by American commandos. In other words, there are those who are willing to pull things out of thin out with no backing evidence and do so in order to cloud events surrounding the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

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Posted 03 November 2011 - 07:00 PM

View Postskyeagle409, on 03 November 2011 - 06:52 PM, said:

Bin Laden's confession wasn't a fake.
I agree the videotape was not a fake…

How do you know the videotape was not a fake?


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but even Al Qaeda and the Taliban admitted that Bin Laden was killed by American commandos.
What Al Qaeda and Taliban source admitted that?

And how did that source know bin Laden was killed by American commandos?

Operation Northwoods was a 1962 plan by the US Department of Defense to cause acts of violence, blamed on Cuba, in order to generate U.S. public support for military action against the Cuban government. The plan called for various false flag actions, such as staged terrorist attacks and plane hijackings, on U.S. and Cuban soil.

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Posted 03 November 2011 - 07:16 PM

View PostQ24, on 03 November 2011 - 05:26 PM, said:

Do you understand there are foreign terrorists who report to U.S. government elements?


But, the terrorist who were responsible for the 9/11 attacks did not have the backing from the U.S. government. In other words, the U.S.government was not responsible for the 9/11 attacks and would not have supported such terrorist attacks on its own soil. In doing so, would have subject a large number of government employees and contractors to the death penalty and long prison sentences and in addition, would brought down the U.S. government.

Can you imagine the reaction on the world stage if determined that the U.S. government orchestrated the 9/11 attacks upon its own citizens? Now, imagine the reaction from the American people and the dire implictions for government officials, not to mention the mistrust of the government by contractors, which would affect future contracts with the government.

You only have to look at what the "Watergate scandal" had done to the presidency of Richard Nixon and that was nothing compared to the 9/11 terrorist attacks

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In other words, had our government been responsible for the 9/11 attacks upon its own citizens, it would not have taken very long to reveal the plot and the U.S. government as we know it today, would cease to exist.

Edited by skyeagle409, 03 November 2011 - 07:20 PM.

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