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#16    bathory

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Posted 05 September 2004 - 04:05 PM

QUOTE(LoPar @ Sep 5 2004, 04:19 PM)
United Nations.......hmmm.

What mandate does the UN carry, outside of sanctions.  What would it take for the UN to exercise military might in a country?  How many deaths are needed to justify something more than sanctions?  Is there a chart? 

Stern Warning - 15,000 deaths.
Sanctions - 50,000 deaths.
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Military Action - 1,000,000 deaths.

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actually, looking at the iraq its
Sanctions - 250000 direct result of regime, hundreds of thousands directly effected by sanctions
Military action - 10 000 or so, the majorty not a result of occupating forces
neat huh






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Posted 05 September 2004 - 10:21 PM

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What mandate does the UN carry, outside of sanctions. What would it take for the UN to exercise military might in a country? How many deaths are needed to justify something more than sanctions? Is there a chart?

Stern Warning - 15,000 deaths.
Sanctions - 50,000 deaths.
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Military Action - 1,000,000 deaths.


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Posted 05 September 2004 - 10:31 PM

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QUOTE(Talon S. @ Sep 5 2004, 01:44 AM)
If you mean Iraq, I think thats a slightly different issue, but if you mean in gernal, yeah, pascifism is getting out of hand.

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i hear the UN is looking for a few good fighting men !



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Posted 05 September 2004 - 10:35 PM

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i hear the UN is looking for a few good fighting men !


The UN should have set a 48 hour deadline to give it time to delopy troops and then invaded the moment we hit day three.

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Posted 06 September 2004 - 03:49 AM

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The UN should have set a 48 hour deadline to give it time to delopy troops and then invaded the moment we hit day three.


but what if they have to face actual combat?
its the US job to do the dying

Edited by bathory, 06 September 2004 - 03:49 AM.


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Posted 06 September 2004 - 03:58 AM

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its the US job to do the dying


Really? huh.gif  Okay then. tongue.gif  Thanks very gracious of them.  grin2.gif





But it doesn't work that way. tongue.gif

Edited by Talon S., 06 September 2004 - 03:58 AM.

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Posted 06 September 2004 - 04:00 AM

I have to say from the point of view of a US citizen and former US soldier, I get really tired of everyone looking at the US to do they dying for everyone elses problems in the world...

Too many people on both sides of the spectrum have fallen into this mentality that a full one half of the country are the enemy for having different beliefs...in a country based on freedom of expression. It is this infighting that allows the focus to be taken away from "we the people" being able to watch, and have control over government corruption and ineptitude that is running rampant in our leadership.

People should be working towards fixing problems, not creating them.

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Posted 06 September 2004 - 04:19 AM

Yeah, huh.gif if Bathory's so gun-ho why doesn't he volunteer Austrialia to go in original.gif

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Posted 06 September 2004 - 04:38 AM

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But it doesn't work that way.


yes it does, if the US doesn't take military action, the problem stagnates
After the US does the dirty work, the blue helmets arrive and all is right with the world:)

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Yeah, huh.gif if Bathory's so gun-ho why doesn't he volunteer Austrialia to go in


huh? i was pretty much making the point Fluffy made....

Australia doesn't have the capacity to do anything, and the liberal douches would whine


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Posted 06 September 2004 - 04:44 AM

QUOTE(bathory @ Sep 5 2004, 11:38 PM)
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But it doesn't work that way.


yes it does, if the US doesn't take military action, the problem stagnates
After the US does the dirty work, the blue helmets arrive and all is right with the world:)

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Posted 06 September 2004 - 04:50 AM

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yes it does, if the US doesn't take military action, the problem stagnates
After the US does the dirty work, the blue helmets arrive and all is right with the world:)


Hate to break it to you, but the US was not the only nation to attack Afghanistan and Iraq

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Posted 06 September 2004 - 06:53 AM

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Hate to break it to you, but the US was not the only nation to attack Afghanistan and Iraq


it however did contribute the vast bulk of troops and resources to both conflicts

i remember reading that you have a greater risk of being killed in a training accident than being killed while out being a peace keeper, awesome


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Posted 06 September 2004 - 01:51 PM

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it however did contribute the vast bulk of troops and resources to both conflicts


Thats because they're a super-power. rolleyes.gif

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Posted 13 September 2004 - 10:01 PM

New alarm over Darfur crisis toll

Up to 10,000 displaced Sudanese people, many of them children, are dying each month in Darfur region as a result of disease and violence, a UN agency says.
Despite major aid efforts, death rates continue to exceed the threshold for a humanitarian emergency, a study by the World Health Organization said.

Its director-general said emergency aid needed to be increased urgently.

The EU meanwhile urged the United Nation to investigate claims that genocide is taking place in Darfur.

At a meeting in Brussels, European Union foreign ministers also warned Sudan of possible sanctions unless it took action to disarm militias threatening refugees in Darfur, western Sudan.

Last week, Sudan categorically rejected a statement by US Secretary of State Colin Powell in which he described the killings in Darfur as genocide.

'Disturbing' figures

The WHO said the interview-based survey in West and North Darfur - carried out together with the Sudanese government - pointed to a monthly toll of 6,000-10,000 people among the internally displaced population of about 1.2 million.

The "crude mortality rate" used to define a humanitarian crisis is one death per 10,000 people per day. In West Darfur the mortality rate was 2.9, while in North Darfur it was 1.5.

The survey's results between June and August showed that displaced people in North and West Darfur were dying at between three and six times the expected rate, the WHO said.

"Thousands, including thousands of children under five are dying every month from diseases which can be easily prevented and treated," the WHO Director-General, Lee Jong-Wook said, urging an increase in emergency aid.

Diarrhoea was the leading cause of deaths, particularly amongst children, WHO's crisis action group head Dr David Nabarro said.

He added that it was it was particularly disturbing to see such high death rate six months after UN and other aid agencies began sending aid to Darfur refugees.

The survey also showed said many people did not have enough clean water and lived in crowded makeshift settlements.

Injuries and violence were linked to 15% of deaths, but the survey did not go into detail of the nature of the violence.

The WHO said the results were in line with an estimate of 50,000 dead in Darfur since the conflict broke out last year.


New deadline?

An estimated one million people have been made homeless during the conflict in Darfur between government forces and rebel groups, which broke out last year.

The US says the government in Khartoum is failing to prevent atrocities against civilians by the pro-government Janjaweed Arab militia.

The US is seeking a new UN resolution that threatens Sudan with sanctions.

The proposed resolution says Sudan has failed to fully comply with a previous UN resolution which was passed in July. It gives the government a new 30-day deadline.

The US would like the Security Council to vote on its new draft resolution next week.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/3653502.stm

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The US is seeking a new UN resolution that threatens Sudan with sanctions.

The proposed resolution says Sudan has failed to fully comply with a previous UN resolution which was passed in July. It gives the government a new 30-day deadline.

The US would like the Security Council to vote on its new draft resolution next week.


Ah, now thatís taking action, they didn't do what you told them the last time so your going to give them a new deadline. Plus your going to wait a week to vote on  it.... brilliant, absolutely brilliant way of tackling it! laugh.gif ..... and meantime how many more thousands are going to die because you lot are so pathetic disgust.gif

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Posted 13 September 2004 - 10:17 PM


True Talon, how many people have to die before the UN stops worriing about their reputation... blink.gif





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