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#16    dharma warrior

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 06:24 PM

The Nakayama shingo shoshu is a fairly new Buddhist order (1952) and is considered by many in Japan to be a cult, and not a true Buddhist church. The fact that the girl had received this treatment hundreds of times would indicate that was a punishment and not an exorcism.
Exorcism in Buddhism is the exception, not the rule.
I've been a member of the Jodo Shinshu church for 24 years and this sort of behavior would never be tolerated there.
BTW, if this is a story about a Buddhist church, why did UM include an image of a Shinto shrine?


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Posted 29 September 2011 - 11:03 PM

View PostIndrid Menos Olemrac, on 29 September 2011 - 04:42 PM, said:

lol...religion...i can describe it in two words that i've not heard anyone else call it though i'm sure some have....it's like....' Anarchaious regulation'.....it was good back then....but we have cops now

I did thoroughly enjoy watching these cops at Trafalgar. The power they exerted was phenomenal. One almost deterred a cat from pissing on his foot. Religion, on the other hand, actually makes people do stuff. Whatever they believe in. Like, "hey, we don't like those WTC towers over there, let's knock 'em down". Law is just another religion, otherwise it'd be the same everywhere. Is gay marriage lawful or not? Should capital punishment applied or not? Law=Religion. Cops=pussies. If common people had the determination religious extremists have, humans in all countries would've made it possible to track even basic things like, "How much tax did we all pay last year and how much went where exactly?" Oh, hanng on. It's not in the law that we're supposed to know. And cops can't tell us either. Whereas when you're an islam you know that it was all spent on explosives. Peace of mind it is called.

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 11:42 PM

Extremely sad and extremely disgusting to know that children all over the world go through worse again. i like the above comment "If common people had the determination religious extremists have"...what would we do? would we become power hungry and cause pain aswell? Is it even possible to have power and not grow an ego? The fact of the matter Humans are worthless peices of **** it dosnt matter if we are religous or a cop or a politician or just a boss at work we get a bit of power we destroy. we are so smart and so dumb and awful events like this prove that.


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Posted 30 September 2011 - 12:13 AM

Oh wow, things like this absolutely astound me. I just can't fathom the logic behind those sorts of actions. There have been numerous cases like this where people have landed themselves in jail or even prison for child negligence.

Excuse me, you're standing on my neck.

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Posted 30 September 2011 - 12:24 AM

I think there is a such thing as possession but I think exorcisms wont help. I really think its up to the person who is "possessed" to beat the possession out of themselves with streingth and will power, like quitting smoking but that idea would seem ignorant thanks to all the movies and hollywood stuff that has made that theory impossible these days.

Sad the child had to die :(

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Posted 30 September 2011 - 12:43 AM

I'm broken hearted. The Japanese are smart peoples. After "hundreds of times" they should have figured out it didn't work.After 1 time, they should have figured out it didn't work. I'm sure drowning her drove out the demons.


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Posted 30 September 2011 - 12:50 AM

View PostSwamptick, on 29 September 2011 - 03:25 PM, said:

The Japanese are at it again. Of course, had this been a thread about a Christian exorcism, all of you hypocrites would be foaming at the mouth. Lemmings all.

Well, since you are  the one obviously blinded by hatred and foaming at the mouth to say something extremely hypocritical, what does that make you?


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Posted 30 September 2011 - 07:53 AM

View Postdharma warrior, on 29 September 2011 - 06:24 PM, said:

The Nakayama shingo shoshu is a fairly new Buddhist order (1952) and is considered by many in Japan to be a cult, and not a true Buddhist church. The fact that the girl had received this treatment hundreds of times would indicate that was a punishment and not an exorcism.
Exorcism in Buddhism is the exception, not the rule.
I've been a member of the Jodo Shinshu church for 24 years and this sort of behavior would never be tolerated there.
BTW, if this is a story about a Buddhist church, why did UM include an image of a Shinto shrine?
Would it surprise you to know that the same can be said for most Christian churches also?  I've been a member of one church or another for 11 years now and similar sorts of behaviour would also never be tolerated in either of the churches I've attended.  

My point - unfortunately there are extremists in every religious group!  This is one sad example of that, but it doesn't mean that this is a reflection of what Buddhism is like, just like the actions of Westboro or some sad person who kills their child during a Christian exorcism shouldn't reflect on the Christian religion as a whole.  No religion should be judged by their small group of extremists who may give the rest a bad name.  Buddhist, Muslim, Christian, whatever....

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Posted 30 September 2011 - 09:34 AM

"...she resisted and became violent." I'd imagine most people would resist and become violent at the prospect of being bound and having water pumped over their faces for five minutes! "Buddhists" don't do things like this; idiots do things like this.


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Posted 21 October 2011 - 08:50 PM

I'm a young woman who has been living in Japan for a few years.  

Everyone is jumping all over this as a way to blame all religion in general for yet another atrocity.  I'm not even religious but I'm shaking my head.

A couple men in their fifties got together and abused a little girl.  That's all it amounts to.  The exorcism crap was their excuse.  If not that, it would have been something else.

There are all different kinds of people living here but the ones in charge are bullies and pedophiles.  The corruption isn't hidden.  Everyone knows and no one does anything.  This story was barely even reported on in Japan, because such behavior is all but condoned by the people running the country.  Crimes against women are hardly ever investigated or reported.  Hospitals have never even heard of a rape kit.  

This is very real and scary, and now that this particular example has been exposed, since religion is involved of course all anyone will say is "it's that wacky religion's fault!  I was right all along about religion!" and pat themselves on the back.

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Posted 21 October 2011 - 11:02 PM

I could never figure out what purpose demons were saposed to serve in religion other than to scare the hell out of the congragation to keep them in line. If they are disigned to torture you while you are in hell, then why are they up here causeing trouble? If they are just here to chase you away from god they are not doing a very good job. If the demons attack you because you love god and they want to possess you because they want to keep you and god can't have you, well then, if you love god and you follow all the rules and the demons get inside you anyway how is this going to bennifit the devil and the demons? By possessing the believers in god they are acomplishing NOTHING because they are doing exactly what believers in god expect them to do! It would work so much better if they just waved the best sins in front of the believers and drew them into hell that way. They don't want you to beleive in god and by possessing poeple they are only showing you that you are on the right path. It just doesn't make any common scense.......


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Posted 22 October 2011 - 12:26 PM

Just crazy...ended a helpless 13yr old girl's life. There's no such thing as demons or people being possessed...maybe it's just a psychotic episode that someone is having

I have less compassion than the average human.

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Posted 31 October 2011 - 10:30 PM

People do get possessed and there is such a things as demons...


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Posted 01 November 2011 - 09:06 AM

View Postlovekrissy, on 31 October 2011 - 10:30 PM, said:

People do get possessed and there is such a things as demons...
And then you suffocate them


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Posted 02 November 2011 - 08:57 PM

View Postlovekrissy, on 31 October 2011 - 10:30 PM, said:

People do get possessed and there is such a things as demons...


Sense you believe this I have a question or two for you. What exactly is the purpose of a demon possessing a person? What do they get out of it? If they kill the person they are possessing then they lose their reason for being there in the first place. If the demon possess a young child, exactly what would they gain from it?

I ask these questions because it doesn't make any sense for a demon to possess someone. If the devils goal is to turn as many people away from god, then why would he allow demons to possess people and prove that god is real? I do not believe in demons, the devil, jesus or god, so if a demon possessed me he would really be shooting himself in the foot by proving to me that demons are real there for so too is god. If a demon possessed a christian then it would be all for not, if the christian was solid then the demon would be just wasting his time. If demons are sent to turn people away from god and to seduce people over to the "dark side" then i think they are doing it wrong. It would make sense to me that they would not waste their time on non-Christians because they don't believe in god anyway so picking on them would be stupid because they would only prove to the non-Christian that god was real. And if the demon went for the Christian then ?? Just doesn't make any common sense to me.


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