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#16    conspiracybeliever

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 11:31 PM

I didn't keep up with it but what I did see they certainly made her look guilty. But you never know. Interesting though. I wonder if it will go any further.


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Posted 04 October 2011 - 12:25 AM

View PostJonathanVonErich, on 03 October 2011 - 08:02 PM, said:

Italian jury overturns murder conviction of U.S. student Amanda Knox in killing of her roommate, and she will be freed.

Amanda Knox to be freed.

Well that's surprising, isn't it ?

The knife didnt fit the wound on the body + Blood evidence was below the legal limit to convict + Several witnesses said she was innocent

Regardless of what we think about her she shouldnt have been convicted. I've seen clips of her at the original trial with dark eyes. Plus when they got her to the Police Station originally she was behaving like a weirdo.

Give her some drugs and I'll bet she'll return to her depraved, murderous, lustfull self.

Edited by Chimpanzee, 04 October 2011 - 12:29 AM.


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Posted 04 October 2011 - 12:29 AM

View PostChimpanzee, on 04 October 2011 - 12:25 AM, said:

The knife didnt fit the wound on the body + Blood evidence was below the legal limit to convict + Several witnesses said she was innocent

Regardless of what we think about her she shouldnt have been convicted. I've seen clips of her at the original trial with dark eyes. I think shes guilty.

Dark eyes? Are you serious?

Rudy Guede's blood and fingerprints were found in the room that the murder happened in. He was the only person who pointed the finger at Knox and her bf at the time. He got a 30 year sentence reduced to 16 for pointing that finger. He fled the country and was caught in hiding 3 days later with a knife.

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 01:00 AM

Wow, I feel like I came off rude sounding. That wasn't my intention at all. Thought maybe that was sarcasm and then made a point but eeeek.  lol

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 01:24 AM

I live in Seatte where Miss Knox is from. The sentiment here has been much different from other places this story has been reported. The sentiment here has been predominately, since the first trial's end, that she was innocent. She would never have been convicted in a US court. The Italian justice system is seriously screwed up. To read more about seriously flubbed Italian cases where the wrong people have been convicted, read about the Monster of Florence.

One of our local reporters here in Seattle sat through the first trial, her conclusion was that Miss Knox was innocent. Several judges here in Seattle who followed the case closely, actually wrote letters to the judges in Italy to condem them for their poor conduct and even poorer handling of the case.

Miss Knox will get on a plane ASAP and come back to Seattle and she will not stick around. I wouldn't be surprised if she was back here as soon as tomorrow. Her parents are there in Perugia, and they have tickets in hand.

Once back in the US, the Italians won't even think about extriditing her for another trial. It's over.

In Italy, you're not tried by a jury of your peers. Italian jurors are professionals. That is their job, to hear court cases. It's full of corruption, and the juries often side with what law enforcement and the press says. And the Italian press is seriously sensationalized, maybe even worse than it is here in the US. In the end, Miss Knox was tried by the police and the media. It very different here than it is there. I'm glad she was aquitted... EVEN if she was guilty, they still didn't have enough evidence to prove she did it.

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 01:28 AM

View PostMissMelsWell, on 04 October 2011 - 01:24 AM, said:

I live in Seatte where Miss Knox is from. The sentiment here has been much different from other places this story has been reported. The sentiment here has been predominately, since the first trial's end, that she was innocent. She would never have been convicted in a US court. The Italian justice system is seriously screwed up. To read more about seriously flubbed Italian cases where the wrong people have been convicted, read about the Monster of Florence.

One of our local reporters here in Seattle sat through the first trial, her conclusion was that Miss Knox was innocent. Several judges here in Seattle who followed the case closely, actually wrote letters to the judges in Italy to condem them for their poor conduct and even poorer handling of the case.

Miss Knox will get on a plane ASAP and come back to Seattle and she will not stick around. I wouldn't be surprised if she was back here as soon as tomorrow. Her parents are there in Perugia, and they have tickets in hand.

Once back in the US, the Italians won't even think about extriditing her for another trial. It's over.

In Italy, you're not tried by a jury of your peers. Italian jurors are professionals. That is their job, to hear court cases. It's full of corruption, and the juries often side with what law enforcement and the press says. And the Italian press is seriously sensationalized, maybe even worse than it is here in the US. In the end, Miss Knox was tried by the police and the media. It very different here than it is there. I'm glad she was aquitted... EVEN if she was guilty, they still didn't have enough evidence to prove she did it.



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Posted 04 October 2011 - 01:52 AM

View PostthatRobGuy, on 04 October 2011 - 01:28 AM, said:

Agreed, it's over.
Let us not forget that the judge is basically another prosecutor as well...


For all that we like to rail against the US court systems.... they ARE the finest and fairest in the world when you compare them to other systems, like Italy.

I don't know if the article mentions is.. but they also released her boyfriend Sollecito who was sentenced to 26 years today as well. Basically, the jury could uphold her conviction or they could have chosen to aquit her in two different ways. They could aquit her on the ground that there was not enough evidence, OR they could aquit her of being entirely innocent of any crime at all. They aquitted her of hte latter, stating she nor her boyfriend did it. This trial is DONE. There's nothing to prevent her from coming back to Seattle, which she is doing here in a few hours. Once back in Seattle, Italy would have to extridite her back to Italy, and the US government won't send her back or agree to any such extradition.

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 01:57 AM

View PostMissMelsWell, on 04 October 2011 - 01:52 AM, said:

For all that we like to rail against the US court systems.... they ARE the finest and fairest in the world when you compare them to other systems, like Italy.

I don't know if the article mentions is.. but they also released her boyfriend Sollecito who was sentenced to 26 years today as well. Basically, the jury could uphold her conviction or they could have chosen to aquit her in two different ways. They could aquit her on the ground that there was not enough evidence, OR they could aquit her of being entirely innocent of any crime at all. They aquitted her of hte latter, stating she nor her boyfriend did it. This trial is DONE. There's nothing to prevent her from coming back to Seattle, which she is doing here in a few hours. Once back in Seattle, Italy would have to extridite her back to Italy, and the US government won't send her back or agree to any such extradition.

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 08:25 AM

fairest in the world?

tell that to troy davis.

far more evidence that knox was guilty than davis.

but i try not to, as a matter of principle, criticise the US.....which i believe to be the most free nation on earth.

this case does trouble me though...the fact her very flimsy alibi and the way her story changed and changed again and then changed again indicates guilt in my opinion.

and the DNA evidence WAS / IS valid...knox's family just paid for the best lawyers who managed to fudge the issue and cast doubt into the minds of the jury.

complete miscarriage of justice imo...and i foresee her doin this again at some point.

the way i feel about this is very similar to how i felt about the louise woodward case a few years ago.


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Posted 04 October 2011 - 12:45 PM

If the US courts are the fairest in the world that is pretty scarey. I think people hear these things over and over and just believe them without really knowing anything about our judicial system but what they hear on TV. It seems to me the courts are equally as corrupt all over the world. The US is just better at covering it up and making it look as if it's better and as usual our society just believes because it's more convenient for them and they think it works to their advantage. You think it's about crime and punishment and the law and all that other crap they keep telling you when it's just about money and numbers like everything else.


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Posted 04 October 2011 - 01:19 PM

Hi everyone, Italian citizen here.
During this trial I noticed how American media (especially Seattle localized ones) have been trying to convince people that Miss Knox was innocent and pure. I have also noticed Italian media do the opposite, showing us dark-eyed pictures or weird facial expressions. That sounds a bit lame to me, from both sides of the pond.

About Italian VS US court system: how can you say that you system is "fair"... For God's sake, you have KILLED hundreds of innocents with chairs and needles. Come on, restrain from being pathetic. Shall I point out that your law system doesn't really have laws?

Oh, one more thing: try to google Sacco and Vanzetti's story.


With this said, I still have no real opinion about this case. But I'm pretty sure we won't be seeing Miss Knox again, here.

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 01:48 PM

View Postdekker87, on 04 October 2011 - 08:25 AM, said:

fairest in the world?

tell that to troy davis.

far more evidence that knox was guilty than davis.

but i try not to, as a matter of principle, criticise the US.....which i believe to be the most free nation on earth.

this case does trouble me though...the fact her very flimsy alibi and the way her story changed and changed again and then changed again indicates guilt in my opinion.

and the DNA evidence WAS / IS valid...knox's family just paid for the best lawyers who managed to fudge the issue and cast doubt into the minds of the jury.

complete miscarriage of justice imo...and i foresee her doin this again at some point.

the way i feel about this is very similar to how i felt about the louise woodward case a few years ago.


Actually, the Knox family is totally broke, bankrupted and has huge bills they can't pay. They were having fund raisers just to get them back to Perugia for this last trial. They're in bad shape financially, they never had the money to hire the best of the best. Even her elderly grandmother second mortgaged her home to help raise money.

And of course she changed her story over and over again, she just wanted out, this is why in the USA you're allowed to have an attorney with you when you're questioned, because saying what the police want you to say OR making something up to appease them is COMMON. She wasn't allowed to have an attorney present when she she was questioned. The knife they claimed she used didnt' even fit the wounds. The DNA evidence was left to sit for FOURTY FIVE days before it was ever collected and it was tainted at that. They only consistent DNA that was found was  Guede's, he was the one that pointed the finger at Knox and her boyfriend. And, he was found with a knife that was likely the murder weapon, HE fled the country, HIS DNA was found in and on Kershner. Its likely the real killer is already in jail, on a reduced 16 year sentence for pointing the finger at innocent people.

For those in Seattle who have probably followed the case in detail more closely than others, you'll see an overwhelming outpouring of support for Miss Knox today.

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 01:59 PM

View PostthatRobGuy, on 03 October 2011 - 09:14 PM, said:

Maybe Rudy Guede.

She just left the the prison. She's free.

Yes, I think he acted alone, I always felt she was not guilty - the story was too sensational imo, there isn't any proof that Rudy Guede knew Amanda or her beau personally and the knife they used in evidence from her boyfriends home (forgot his name) did not match the imprint of the knife on the bed sheet at the crime scene :hmm: .  I really felt that they tried to make the crime match the suspects instead of correctly investigating - the prosecutor was distinctly questionable and is facing charges relating to abuse of office? from what I recall too.

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 02:04 PM

The Amanda Knox case was an international media sensation, because they figured nobody wants to watch images of a 3-week protest of over 1,000 people in front of Wall Street in New York City. It's over (finally!), but I remain stumped on how would Amanda Knox be shown not to be the murder suspect of the death of her roommate...the case didn't make much sense.  :no:

Edited by DeMikeDe, 04 October 2011 - 02:04 PM.

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 02:47 PM

View PostMissMelsWell, on 04 October 2011 - 01:48 PM, said:

Actually, the Knox family is totally broke, bankrupted and has huge bills they can't pay. They were having fund raisers just to get them back to Perugia for this last trial. They're in bad shape financially, they never had the money to hire the best of the best. Even her elderly grandmother second mortgaged her home to help raise money.

And of course she changed her story over and over again, she just wanted out, this is why in the USA you're allowed to have an attorney with you when you're questioned, because saying what the police want you to say OR making something up to appease them is COMMON. She wasn't allowed to have an attorney present when she she was questioned. The knife they claimed she used didnt' even fit the wounds. The DNA evidence was left to sit for FOURTY FIVE days before it was ever collected and it was tainted at that. They only consistent DNA that was found was  Guede's, he was the one that pointed the finger at Knox and her boyfriend. And, he was found with a knife that was likely the murder weapon, HE fled the country, HIS DNA was found in and on Kershner. Its likely the real killer is already in jail, on a reduced 16 year sentence for pointing the finger at innocent people.

For those in Seattle who have probably followed the case in detail more closely than others, you'll see an overwhelming outpouring of support for Miss Knox today.
Even so, I wouldn't trust her.
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