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#46    ShadowSot

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 07:41 PM

View PostChimpanzee, on 05 October 2011 - 07:38 PM, said:

I'm not its what the topics about.
We're talking about the UK moving forward with human rights, you're talking about removing more human rights from a minority group. That's certainly relevant to the topic.

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I think all people should be assessed to uncover all conflicts of interest.
Yet you seem to be singling out homosexuals for rather extreme levels of privacy violation.

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 07:42 PM

I'm speechless.

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 07:43 PM

View PostChimpanzee, on 05 October 2011 - 07:40 PM, said:

They should be probed to find the conflicts of interest.


But wouldn't the fact that they are gay, black, Jewish and orphaned automatically make them ineligible for certain positions?  Just the face that the "are" these things?

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 07:44 PM

View PostShadowSot, on 05 October 2011 - 07:39 PM, said:

So, freedom for only those you feel should be free, and all those others you find distasteful you want their rights stripped.
So... totalitarian.

No, freedom for who the state decides and restrictions for those that might be a risk.


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Posted 05 October 2011 - 07:46 PM

Let me make sure there's not a misunderstanding: You do realize, Chimpanzee, that these "crimes" were homosexual men having conse4nsual sex with other homosexual men?

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The reform will apply to men who were convicted in 16,000 cases for offences including having consensual sex with another man over the age of 16 or for loitering with intent, the charge formerly brought against homosexuals looking for other men.

Read more: http://www.dailymail...l#ixzz1ZwFDLtrH


Change the terminology to reflect heterosexual behaviours and I'd be one of America's most wanted.

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 07:46 PM

View PostChimpanzee, on 05 October 2011 - 07:44 PM, said:

No, freedom for who the state decides and restrictions for those that might be a risk.

Yes, because this has worked so well in the past!

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 07:46 PM

View PostChimpanzee, on 05 October 2011 - 07:44 PM, said:

No, freedom for who the state decides and restrictions for those that might be a risk.

And who decides who gets such freedom and why they might be a risk? Wouldn't the person (or people) involved in such decision making be prone to their own conflicts of interest?

So just take off that disguise, everyone knows that you're only, pretty on the outside
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Posted 05 October 2011 - 07:47 PM

View PostChimpanzee, on 05 October 2011 - 07:36 PM, said:

No its a free society but only to those that can cope with freedom.

Where all people are equal, but some people are more equal than others right?


You know I never thought I'd see someone pushing for a massive increase of government control over private lives on these boards of all places.

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 07:47 PM

View PostHerNibs, on 05 October 2011 - 07:43 PM, said:

But wouldn't the fact that they are gay, black, Jewish and orphaned automatically make them ineligible for certain positions?  Just the face that the "are" these things?

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No, because these things dont make someone a risk but they do increase the chances.

Upon investigation 90% of them might be fine as Policemen and Judges but the 10% that would be unprofessional in certain circumstances should have restrictions.


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Posted 05 October 2011 - 07:48 PM

View PostChimpanzee, on 05 October 2011 - 07:47 PM, said:

No, because these things dont make someone a risk but they do increase the chances.

Upon investigation 90% of them might be fine as Policemen and Judges but the 10% that would be unprofessional in certain circumstances should have restrictions.


Would this individual be able to judge a trial against a white, protestant, hetrosexual woman?

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 07:51 PM

View Postshadowhive, on 05 October 2011 - 07:46 PM, said:

And who decides who gets such freedom and why they might be a risk? Wouldn't the person (or people) involved in such decision making be prone to their own conflicts of interest?

It should be a state wide collective decision.

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Would this individual be able to judge a trial against a white, protestant, hetrosexual woman?

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If in the 10% then no.


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Posted 05 October 2011 - 07:51 PM

How are homosexuals a risk to society?


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Posted 05 October 2011 - 07:52 PM

View PostVerneph, on 05 October 2011 - 07:46 PM, said:

Yes, because this has worked so well in the past!

Oh... :mellow:

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 07:53 PM

View PostChimpanzee, on 05 October 2011 - 07:51 PM, said:

It should be a state wide collective decision.



If in the 10% then no.


What could land him in the 10%?

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 07:53 PM

View PostCorp, on 05 October 2011 - 07:47 PM, said:

Where all people are equal, but some people are more equal than others right?

You know I never thought I'd see someone pushing for a massive increase of government control over private lives on these boards of all places.

All people are equal some just need the guiding hand of the state to make sure they dont violate the rights of others.





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