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Posted 09 October 2011 - 08:46 AM

My whole life I have had the problem of only having lucid intense nightmares almost always hinging around some sort of apocalyptic event.  My question is this - is there any way besides some sort of prescribed med to NOT dream or at least some way to change the nightmare into something else?  I've started sleeping less and less - 2-4hrs a night so any advice would be appreciated.


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Posted 10 October 2011 - 04:30 PM

Yes there is.

Dreams like the ones you describe come from deep within the subconscious. The subconscious retains all experiences from every life time as if it were a present moment event. If there is trauma of some kind that demands attention, then you will get the kind of dreams that you are describing.

I would like to encourage meditations that involve self discovery, through conversations with your higher self in this particular case.

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Posted 10 October 2011 - 05:04 PM

Well, first, I'd like to say hi to John. John and I often agree to a considerable extent, but perhaps we say things differently.

So, to the OP, if I understand you, your nightmares are different in plot, setting and characters, but there is a recurring element or theme that unites them,

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... almost always hinging around some sort of apocalyptic event.
What I would suggest, then, is that you spend some conscious waking time thinking about that common feature.

"Thinking" should be read broadly. In fact, it may even be the wrong word, because what may be best is to do something with the idea. Write it down. Write about it (not so much write an explanation or narration of it, but maybe write a story about how the thing looked to another character in the dream). If you draw or paint, then draw or paint something. Dance, if you dance... whatever it takes to engage your attention without losing consciousness.

But, if you'd rather, then indeed think about it. In which case,

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I would like to encourage meditations that involve self discovery, ...
and by all means, ask the source of dreams inside yourself, whatever you conceive that to be, what's up with the apocalyspe?

I'd also like to offer another possibility about one thing, though. I wouldn't go into the exercise with the asumption that the root of a nightmare outbreak is some traumatic event. The source of dreams is a drama queen. The matter may well be serious, but not necessarily traumatic, just because the imagery which expresses the concern is disturbing to the dream witness.

If you'd like to read somethiing about the background of this advice, then googlebing "active imagination" Jung. If you'd like to listen to a complete "worked example" of a formal version, then check out podcasts 21 and 22 from John Betts,

http://www.jungian.ca/jung-podcasts/

But, you might prefer to do some "active imagination lite" instead, which is any of the activities John or I suggested.

Good luck with it.

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Posted 10 October 2011 - 06:04 PM

Well, since dreams are a normal part of deep sleep, you probably can't really nix them completely, nor do you want to not have deep sleep because that isn't healthy.

Other folks here have given some good suggestions. I would add another one. Trick yourself into not having bad dreams. As do prepare to sleep, tell yourself not to have bad dreams or tell yourself to have good dream scenarios. Or if you are a lucid dreamer like your OP suggests, take control of your dream and bend it into something less nasty.


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Posted 10 October 2011 - 06:33 PM

Meditations are your best bet. The other thing you can try is a refusal to participate in negative dreams. If you are lucid ( you know you are dreaming), and things are not going well simply sit down close your eyes and start singing your favorite song.  ( this works very well.... Soon your subconcouse will take over and end all nightmares imeadiatly)

The other thing that I recomend is to change your attitude toword it, look at your lucidity as a way to explore the depths of your mind. You can learn so much about yourself.... And activity engage your issues face to face.

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Posted 10 October 2011 - 10:01 PM

Hi Fig .... Until you can find the cause by finding the source  and then stop them as already mentioned , there is a simple way to deal with nightmares ... External noise such as talkback radio , switch it on when you go to bed and leave it on all night ,  this tricks the brain into listening instead of dreaming .

I know this works because I had nightmares for years and the only way I could sleep was external noise , you soon get used to the noise and sleep right through .

However there is one down side , if you drive long distances and listen to the radio , it will quickly put you off to sleep while driving , mostly when people drive long distances they put the radio on to keep them awake , you can't do that after the first six months of  using the radio for sleep therapy .

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Posted 11 October 2011 - 02:23 AM

thanks for all the great advice - I plan to try everything listed here.  I used to meditate but haven't in a while, definitely going to pick back up on that habit. Haven't had any major trauma but I am a worry wort when it comes to just about everything.  Thanks again guys, really helpful :)


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Posted 15 October 2011 - 04:18 AM

So here is what I'm trying.  Got the white noise going, plus meditation before I go to bed along with a fixed narrative when I am trying to go to sleep.  Also, even though I tried to avoid taking anything, I'm taking *snip* melatonin - So far so good, no dreams yet either good or bad, which I'll take..

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 09:11 PM

I sincerely hope that 25mg. is a typo and you mean 2.5 mg. If not, you are really going to have some doozies!

Melatonin at higher doses is known to cause really nasty nightmares.

3mg is a typical nightly dose.

I've been taking it for years and love how vivid and memorable my dreams are. But 25 mg.....I can't even imagine!!


View Postf1gtr33, on 15 October 2011 - 04:18 AM, said:

So here is what I'm trying.  Got the white noise going, plus meditation before I go to bed along with a fixed narrative when I am trying to go to sleep.  Also, even though I tried to avoid taking anything, I'm taking *snip* melatonin - So far so good, no dreams yet either good or bad, which I'll take..


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Posted 13 April 2012 - 01:40 PM

:) Hi there,

Scientist have only recently discovered that sleep deprivation can produce severe health problems, depression, hallucinations,
voices in ones head and probably nightmares too.
So make sure you are getting enough sleep - because your stated 2- 4 hours sleep is a recipe for disaster,
which is not only the probably cause for your nightmares etc. but also an invitation to get a heart attack.
PLEASE GO AND SEE A DOCTOR, or MUCH BETTER (because 'normal' doctors have not yet fully realised
the serious dangers sleep disorders can cause!)   SEE A SLEEP DISORDER SPECIALIST !

  



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Posted 13 April 2012 - 02:52 PM

View Postf1gtr33, on 09 October 2011 - 08:46 AM, said:

My whole life I have had the problem of only having lucid intense nightmares almost always hinging around some sort of apocalyptic event.  My question is this - is there any way besides some sort of prescribed med to NOT dream or at least some way to change the nightmare into something else?  I've started sleeping less and less - 2-4hrs a night so any advice would be appreciated.

As other have pointed out, dreams are a projection of your subconsciousness. Very intense nightmares are usually a good indicator that you are "fighting" something within your inner-self. So in other words, it could very well be linked to your current phychological/emotional situation.

I would try to deal with this first. I went through such periods when I was depressed or simply very stressed/anxious. I took care of that and no more nightmares. I refused to use any meds for it but I guess it depends on you.

I wish you to get better.

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 08:36 PM

All great advice, i would just like to add the basics. Proper diet, and exercise. That helped me out, but since your having sleeping problems now, i would suggest you take it easy on the exercise. Start small until you get better sleep, such as walking more. That always helped me. I have had trouble sleeping basically all my life, but when i exercise and then later go to sleep, i don't even remember my dreams for the most part.

I am not a medical doctor, i am just telling you what helped me, but then again my sleeping problems are not related to nightmares.


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Posted 17 April 2012 - 01:05 AM

Hi OP. I don't think it is possible to stop dreaming. Dreams are subconscious activity, and our subconsciousness is always "working" even when we sleep. But it is *very* easy to suppress your ability to remember dreams.

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 08:20 AM

I always had nightmares of these specific monsters attacking me, every night for a while, to stop it I day dreamed for a while that I was in my dream, and I was fighting back and winning! The nightmares stopped after that.

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 08:24 PM

First I would suggest that you monitor what you are reading and watching.

If you make it a habit to watch and read things that involve fighting or disasters then your brain will use that imagery as building blocks for dreams, after all if you are inundated with certain themes then it is going to be reflected  in dreams.
For example if you regularly watch, say, Ghost Hunters then at some point your dreams will contain related elements and create "spin off" type dreams that are influenced by such media.

Second is that you may simply want to stop paying so much attention to your dreams and stop assuming that any of them have special meanings because 99.99% of the time they don't.

Simply stop focusing on the dreams, make an active effort to ignore them as you focus on real life. Use reality to guide your daily life and soon you will see your dreams becoming more and more bland. See..the brain is much like an attention seeking bratty child, when it sees that it is getting attention by creating seemingly "meaningful" dreams then it continues but once you start ignoring it and choose to actively pay attention to reality then it will slowly give up and start functioning as it is supposed to.





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