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[iamdee1]

As a person that was abducted when I was 13, I have always been interested in what was happening in the world to children and/or young adults and have been keeping an eye on the missing that are listed on the Center for Missing and Exploited Childrens website.

I have been monitoring it for some time and believe that there is some serious issues going on in the state of Virginia right now.

Here are some random statistics from the Exploited Childrens Website just for comparision.

This statistic is for the last 10 years in various states then I will include the numbers for Virginia.
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State          Number of missing children for last 10 years
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Mississippi            1

Missouri              20

New York              56

North Carolina        31

Delaware               2

Maryland              54

Pennsylvania          14

Washington            44

Wisconsin             17

I could give more examples but have found no other states with statistics as high as Virginia or even close to being this high.

Now the total for Virginia for the last 10 years....

Virginia           328

Also, it is very interesting to know that 271 of these children and young adults have come up missing since January 1, 2011 to todays date of 10/20/11.  

Between the dates of 10/10/11 and todays date of 10/20/11, there have been 80 children that have gone missing.  That's only 10 days.  

What is up with this?  Why are there so many missing from the state of Virginia?  

Now, I realize that children do run away from home but I would think that other states would also have the high statistics too.

I have already developed an opinion on what is going on but I would like to hear what others think would be a logical reason for this large variation in numbers.

Edited by iamdee1, 20 October 2011 - 09:43 PM.

[JonathanVonErich]

Yes, white slavery is still active all over the world. Maybe people don't use the term White Slavery anymore, but sadly the phenomena seems to be alive and well. Just look at the amazing number of people ( particulary young children ) who are abducted each year, not only in the U.S., but all over the world.

Me and DeAnna, who started this thread, have had many discussion about this subject in the past few months, and I strongly feels that many abduction rings are in activity right now, not only in the U.S. but also in Europe, Central America, etc.

I believe White slavery will always be a huge priority on the list of organized crimes or abduction rings all over the world. Sadly.  

[RedSquirrel]

I agree that this is possible. Have you any evidence aside from the numbers and conjecture though? I support you in your desire to help these kids.

[thatRobGuy]

271 in Virginia since the beginning of the year? I thought Maryland & NY seemed pretty high until I saw that. That is astronomical. Unbelievable...

Sadly, there will always be supply where there is demand. WTF is wrong with people?

[iamdee1]

No, I have no proof as to what I believe but I do believe that there is a ring of abductors working in the state of Virginia, maybe it is a type of headquarters for them.   My reasoning for this thinking is that Virginia is close to the ocean, hence these children could be put onto ships and sent directly out of the country.

Jonathan and I have discussed this before and I shared with him details of what I believed a few months ago.  It seems that at certain times of the months, there are more abductions.  I believe that is close to the time that the ship is getting ready to depart and that way they wouldn't have to hold onto them for several weeks.  Less chance of getting caught.  I know in the case of my abduction, they held onto me too long and I was able to escape for a child abduction ring.

Also, I did a lot of paper work on this a few months ago when I was discussing it with Jonathan and I called the Center for Missing and Exploited Children.  They took my information and thanked me and said they would get an investigator on it.

Back then, I found out that there were a lot of these children that were abducted on the 3rd and the 4th of the month and in the third weeks there were many abductions which leaves me to believe the ship they are being taken out on may leave more than once a month.  I have not done the updated numbers yet so I don't know if this is still fact or not.

After dinner tonight, I am going to go through the numbers again and see if I can find any specific dates to see if there is somehow a link.  I'll let you know once I get the numbers right.

[RedSquirrel]

I know I may sound a bit crazy here, but have you considered "staking" out the boats that leave, looking for the missing children? It could not hurt to keep an eye that direction.

[rashore]

Is white slavery still active? IMO, yeppers. I don't think it's necessarily all white though. Personally I think it might be better termed child slavery. Particularly for the purpose of sexual nastiness.

I don't think I need to cite evidence of this, just google up child sex ring or child pornography and you find tons of examples. But I will give a weird one that pops up My link It's an article about how sex ring activity seems to spike during Superbowl Sunday week, ew gross.

I had no idea that Virginia had such a high rate of the missing though.

[JonathanVonErich]

RedSquirrel, on 20 October 2011 - 09:58 PM, said:

I know I may sound a bit crazy here, but have you considered "staking" out the boats that leave, looking for the missing children? It could not hurt to keep an eye that direction.

Well it's easier said than done. Everytime a child is reported missing one or a group of investigators will work on the case, and most of the time they won't release details of the investigation with people who doesn't work for an agency.

This summer me and DeAnna were interested in the case of David Michael Borer, a child who disappeared in 1989. I called the agency who are investigating the case, and talked about the case with two different investigators, sadly they didn't wanted to share informations with me.

Looking into these disappearances/abductions cases is really tricky.

rashore, on 20 October 2011 - 10:00 PM, said:

Is white slavery still active? IMO, yeppers. I don't think it's necessarily all white though. Personally I think it might be better termed child slavery. Particularly for the purpose of sexual nastiness.

Oh of course, people from all races are abducted. Just look at Charleyproject.org, people from all races are disappearing every year, and that's only in the U.S.

And remember that not only children might be victims of "white slavery", people from all ages are possible victims. Some poeple still think that Natalee Holloway was a victim of white slavery, same for Kristen Modafferi and Donna Lass, women in their late teens or early 20s.

[RedSquirrel]

I apologize for my naive standing. I had never thought of all the work that went into this. If you do find something that really stands out, please find someone who will listen to you, someone who you trust that works with the authorities. I don't like that kids go missing, get abducted or both. My Prayers and well wishes to these children and to your research.

[JonathanVonErich]

RedSquirrel, on 20 October 2011 - 10:21 PM, said:

I apologize for my naive standing. I had never thought of all the work that went into this. If you do find something that really stands out, please find someone who will listen to you, someone who you trust that works with the authorities. I don't like that kids go missing, get abducted or both. My Prayers and well wishes to these children and to your research.

Don't apologize my friend, it was a very good question. ( sorry if the question was meant for DeAnna )  

But you are right, people should look at these cases, and should try to learn more about the victims. That's why great sites like Charleyproject.org were created.

Edited by JonathanVonErich, 20 October 2011 - 10:26 PM.

[Fluffybunny]

iamdee1, on 20 October 2011 - 09:57 PM, said:

No, I have no proof as to what I believe but I do believe that there is a ring of abductors working in the state of Virginia, maybe it is a type of headquarters for them.   My reasoning for this thinking is that Virginia is close to the ocean, hence these children could be put onto ships and sent directly out of the country.

Jonathan and I have discussed this before and I shared with him details of what I believed a few months ago.  It seems that at certain times of the months, there are more abductions.  I believe that is close to the time that the ship is getting ready to depart and that way they wouldn't have to hold onto them for several weeks.  Less chance of getting caught.  I know in the case of my abduction, they held onto me too long and I was able to escape for a child abduction ring.

Also, I did a lot of paper work on this a few months ago when I was discussing it with Jonathan and I called the Center for Missing and Exploited Children.  They took my information and thanked me and said they would get an investigator on it.

Back then, I found out that there were a lot of these children that were abducted on the 3rd and the 4th of the month and in the third weeks there were many abductions which leaves me to believe the ship they are being taken out on may leave more than once a month.  I have not done the updated numbers yet so I don't know if this is still fact or not.

After dinner tonight, I am going to go through the numbers again and see if I can find any specific dates to see if there is somehow a link.  I'll let you know once I get the numbers right.

Wow.

It would be interesting to see where in the state the kids are disappearing from, if there are any trends in that regard. I mean there is always going to be a state that has the highest number of missing kids; but when that number is higher than any other ten states combined that needs to be researched. It seems like numbers that extreme would have raised the interest of the Center for Missing and Exploited Children.

What a sad world it is that this is a concern, and that regular people are having to try and help resolve it because the problem is bigger than anything law enforcement can do.

[rashore]

JonathanVonErich, on 20 October 2011 - 10:14 PM, said:

Well it's easier said than done. Everytime a child is reported missing one or a group of investigators will work on the case, and most of the time they won't release details of the investigation with people who doesn't work for an agency.

This summer me and DeAnna were interested in the case of David Michael Borer, a child who disappeared in 1989. I called the agency who are investigating the case, and talked about the case with two different investigators, sadly they didn't wanted to share informations with me.

Looking into these disappearances/abductions cases is really tricky.


Oh of course, people from all races are abducted. Just look at Charleyproject.org, people from all races are disappearing every year, and that's only in the U.S.

And remember that not only children might be victims of "white slavery", people from all ages are possible victims. Some poeple still think that Natalee Holloway was a victim of white slavery, same for Kristen Modafferi and Donna Lass, women in their late teens or early 20s.

As always Jon, I must bow to you in your understanding of criminal nasty. Yes, I did neglect non-child abductions.
I will adapt my previous statement... Maybe it shouldn't be called white slavery so much as sexual slavery. I do firmly believe that most slavery abductions are for the purposes of sex rather than for anything else at this point in time.

Gads I hope I don't sound judgmental of meatsuit melanin by saying this because that's not what I'm trying to sound like... but maybe white slavery seems to be on the top because in general, there's less whites than non-whites on the planet, so white might be a rarer sampling in  slavery. It might be because white abductions get more press than non-white. Again, not trying to make any sort of comments on meatsuit melanin of any positive or negative nature.

[JonathanVonErich]

rashore, on 20 October 2011 - 11:10 PM, said:

As always Jon, I must bow to you in your understanding of criminal nasty. Yes, I did neglect non-child abductions.
I will adapt my previous statement... Maybe it shouldn't be called white slavery so much as sexual slavery. I do firmly believe that most slavery abductions are for the purposes of sex rather than for anything else at this point in time.

Don't Bow my friend, I don't think I know more about crimes than you do, criminology is simply my passion.  

You are 100% right, we should use the term "sexual slavery". White slavery is a term used to distinguish it from the full-scale, hereditary system of slavery that had been imposed on black people in the Americas, it's an old term that most people don't use today. Sexual slavery is the more common term today.  

Like you Rashore I also believe that most slavery abductions are for the purposes of sex. I'm sure you know the old saying: Sex is what makes the world go round, sadly sex is still, and will always be, one of the biggest source of income for criminal organizations all over the world.

[rashore]

Jon, your following of criminology seems to be more "real" than mine. I tend to follow the paranormal trends so you include things I look over.

Anywho, back to the OP. I'm glad you and I seem to agree that the sexual trend is one that is not wiped off the slavery books yet. Unfortunately, I have no idea what to comment about it that is helpful.

[iamdee1]

Todays victims are all nationalities.  There are just as many blacks, whites, and hispanics that are abducted and some that have very foreign names.  I believe that everyone has a different "taste" and that is why they are from  all sides of the tracks and I also believe this includes people over the age of 18 and in their 20's.  I don't believe it is the age that matters in all of these cases, sometimes it is the look.

Since I am probably one of the only ones on this site that have specific details of what is going on inside of one of these organizations, I would like to fill you in on some of the details of when I was abducted, not because I want pity because I have excepted it for what it was, but just to let you know what happens to some of these children once they are snatched off the streets.  Kinda give you an insight as to how some of this works, I guess.

First off, I was abducted by gunpoint by two men as I was walking close to my home.  It was just starting to get dark.  I was 13.  These men threw me into the trunk of their car and took me to a house that was about a 20 minute or so away from my home.  Years later, when I got my license, I went looking for that house and found it.  It was really a strange feeling.  

Anyway, as they were dragging me in, I observed approximately 10 other men in the house.  There was drugs of different colors, not sure what they were, and stacks of cash on the table.

I was taken into a room where I was tied up hands and feet and a pill was shoved into my mouth.  Then the older one, a man by the name of Dave Jones told me to open my mouth so he could see if I swallowed it and I complied.  When I woke up the next morning, I was given another pill.  I'm not sure why I did it but I put it under my tongue and when I opened my mouth, it appeared to be gone.  When he left, I spit it between the pillow and the bed and did this the remainder of my time there hoping that I could figure out a way to escape.

I wasn't fed or given water while I was being held captive and can't remember ever using the restroom except once and that is when I escaped.  


For the remainder of my stay, I was able hear what they were saying. I was supposed to be asleep and they talked freely.  I heard them say that I would be leaving on Friday to go to Chicago where everyone would meet at a warehouse that was operated by an American Indian who had contacts coming in from all over the world.

I'm not sure why they were going into such great detail on things but it is possible that more people arrived and they were filling them in on the operation but I don't know that for sure.  I never heard a knock at the door and I was in a separate room and could only hear their voices.

I heard them say that the Indian at the warehouse had new buyers coming in and that some of us would be auctioned off as "pets", some would be sold into *spam filter*s, some would appear in Mexican Death Videos, some would be shipped overseas where they would be placed into a harem, some would end up on the streets of Chicago as working girls, some could end up in "dungeons" and chained up.  There were all sorts of people that went to these auctions and that the Indian was a genius.  I got the impression that he was pretty high up.  They expected to get a couple hundred dollars apiece for me and I have no idea what the Indian would get.  The year was 1975.

Years later when they found the photograph of Tara Clalico and Michael Henley in Florida, I called in an anonymous tip and told the person on the phone my story.  Later, one of the television shows mentioned that these children may have been taken to a warehouse in Chicago and a person of interest was an American Indian by the name of Johnny, which is the same name I told them.  Yes, Johnny has a last name and I do know it and I did give it to Jonathan when I explained my situation to him previously.  (You are definitely an easy person to talk to Jonathan and I appriciate your help.)

Back on track.....anyway, On Thursday night, I was able to convince one of my abducters, a man by the name of Michael Barry, to release me to go to the bathroom.  He was drunk and I was hoping he was drunk enough to forget about me and I could escape, he was, and I did.  I stole his gun and jumped out a second story window.  Luckily I didn't break anything or I may have been caught.

I never told the police and a week later, Jones and Barrys pictures were in the paper stating they had killed a 15 year old girl.  I swear to God, I had no idea there may have been other people inside that house but looking back at it now, it was a large house with multiple bedrooms, and there very well could have been other children there.  I don't know and my mind wasn't thinking like that back then and I have always felt bad about not telling someone but seriously, who would have believed a story like that in the 70's.  

After they caught Jones and Barry, 2 other victims came foreward with their stories and I know Barry got 155 years.  I lost Jones but was informed there may have been crimes in other states and he may have been sent somewhere else to do his time.  I don't think the other men at the house ever did get caught.  It is possible they are somewhere still doing the same thing and some of them are probably already dead.  

This will give you a little insight on what may be happening to some children that are abducted and I'm sure that things have probably been updated in the past 35+ years.  I'm sure they have learned by experience.