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#166    regi

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 09:18 PM

View Postlucas north, on 06 October 2012 - 08:52 PM, said:

If this was a group effort then there are all kinds of different possibilities with the DNA collected from both homicides.

You're forcing a groundless theory instead of following the evidence!
Never mind the single DNA profiles, or how experts profile such perps of these crimes, the mere fact that no one's talked lends to it having not been a group effort.

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 11:13 PM

In reagrds to the link i posted. and to the reply.

The two girls were going to go see a movie over at a friends house. That friend was the guy who picked them up.

http://home.comcast.net/~dslu99/

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 12:35 PM

View PostTwin Peaks, on 06 October 2012 - 11:13 PM, said:

In reagrds to the link i posted. and to the reply.

The two girls were going to go see a movie over at a friends house. That friend was the guy who picked them up.

http://home.comcast.net/~dslu99/

Check out this webpage and read through it.

Well, uh...need I point out that that's NOT what ANYONE said in the Unsolved Mysteries episode?
They didn't have any known plans.
And it was not known whether they knew the "man in the truck".

Still, the two hours spent outside the Mini Mart doesn't make a lick 'o sense.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 03:22 PM

View Postregi, on 07 October 2012 - 12:35 PM, said:

Well, uh...need I point out that that's NOT what ANYONE said in the Unsolved Mysteries episode?
They didn't have any known plans.
And it was not known whether they knew the "man in the truck".

Still, the two hours spent outside the Mini Mart doesn't make a lick 'o sense.


I wonder what was done to the girls...
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Posted 07 October 2012 - 11:28 PM

Look this is a thread about Angela and Melanie.I regret bringing up the possibility of a link between Brosso/Bernas murders and Vicari murder because now we are going in the wrong direction.Lets please stay focused on the matters at hand.I am repeating my call to people who havent posted on this thread to join the discussion.We have heard from people on here who knew Angela personaly,most noteably Krakowiecki who seems to have left the discussion permanetly.I would still like to know if anyone of his friends outside of Margaret was tested for DNA.And if the fisherman was tested for DNA. I would like to hear from people who knew Melanie to.We havent heard from anyone who knew her.We need to know her bike route and if she stoped at the I-17 and came back or if she went all the way out to Peoria where the canal ends.Also we need to know if she rode on that canal every night and any pieces of info that were not published in articles would be welcome.I hope current and former detectives who worked on this case could chime in too.And if you never worked these cases but are current/former law enforcment or study serial killers we would love to get your opinions.We need a profile on the killer/killers.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 11:00 PM

Im not gone, I just dont have anything else to add.

Regi It's Brosso not Brasso

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 04:03 PM

That's nothing...you should have seen what I did to the b.f.'s last name in a pm.

Anyway, I'd rather be known for my credibility than my spelling.

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 02:23 AM

So you dont have anything else to add? What about other people besides the you and the one you mentioned who gave DNA samples? Was the fisherman cleared?

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 02:44 AM

We have potential suspects.Mark "fisher king"Qualls,who found Brosso's head.Voiceinthewind mentioned a "John" as part of the "warlocks" group."Lived in Goodyear,but moved to Phoenix to be closer to his job".We have William Dewain Loyd who has posted strange messages about the killings across the web.There are people on other sites who have claimed this was the work of the "Zodiac" despite the fact the suspect in those killings died in July 1992 months before Brosso was murdered.Someone did this and somebody Krakowiecki knew as a friend or as an aquaintance was likely involved.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 02:15 AM

The following is an exact transcript of an article from the Arizona Republic dated November 22 1992.The story title was"Headless woman's killer tried to skin her.Mutilation recalls Silence of Lambs".The authors of the article were Randy Collior and Julia Lobaco."An attempt to "skin"Angela Brosso had been made after the 22 year-old woman was beheaded just as in the hit movie The Silence of the Lambs,The Arizona Republic learned Saturday.A person close to the investigation said the beheading and attempted skinning of Brosso's corpse made the homicide one of the most bizarre in Arizona history.Phoenix police previously had revealed that Brosso's body had been mutilated,but until now,it was not know what the killer had done.Ironically,police have sent information on the killing to the FBI's Violent Criminal Apprehension Program,the same unit that was mentioned in the movie,in hopes of obtaining a profile on the killer.In the Acadamy Award winning film,which is show regulary on cable television and is availible in video-rental shops,the FBI pursues a serial killer who skins his victims-large woman-because he is crafting a female cover for his own skin.In a bizarre twist of life imitating art,the man who found the head has the nickname of"The Fisher King" and earlier had been known as"Rambo" two other movie charactors.Jack Callahan,an FBI spokesman,said Saturday that he wasn't sure whether the packet of information from Phoenix police had been sent to Washington yet,but he said it would take three to four days to process the information into a computer."Every murder and every murderer is different,but the profile will give Phoenix police an idea of the type of person to look for",Callahan said.Brosso's headless body was found nov.9 in a park not far from where she lived,in the 2500 block of West Cactus Road.She disapeared after leaving to take a bicycle ride along a water diversion channel near the apartment complex.A head,believed to be Brosso's was found Friday,in the Arizoan Canal near Metrocenter mall about two miles from where the body was discovered.When the man whodiscovered the head,Mark Qualls,returned home Friday,he told his mother that he had"good news and bad news".Marcy Qualls guessed the news."You found that womans head didnt you?"she asked.He responded,"Yes,thats what happened",she recalled Saturday.Marcy Quals said that a week earlier,she told her 38 year-old son that he probably would find Brosso's head in the canal."It was just a strong feeling I had" she said.Mark Qualls,shaken by his expirience would not discuss his discovery.Marcy Qualls said when her son foun the head,he told her"The Lord must think I am an awful strong person".She said he has said he will"never go back to that place again".Her son has been beset with trouble,Qualls said.About five of six years ago,he suffered a severe head injurie in a motorcycle accident.He was revieved after being"dead" for three minutes,Marcy Qualls said."It's been kind of turmoil ever since"she said.In 1987,Mark Qualls left home to live at the edge of a west Phoenix canal bank,spending about a year"living in the wild"his mother said.His nickname was Rambo.He an another man hunted and fished for their meals until they were forced out of their"home" by the comming of the Arizona Canal Diversion Channel.In July 1989,Mark Qualls,then know as The fisher King because of his love of fishing in the Arizona Canal nearly drowned when he slipped and fell into the waterway.Qualls and a friend who jumped in to save him were rescued after being sucked into a 50-foot tunnel at the Deer Valley Water Treatment Plant,3030 W.Dunalp Ave.They clung to a trash grate until help arrived.In August,misfourtune struck again.Qualls found his best friend and fellow fisherman drowned in the Arizona Canal.The friend had suffered an epileptic seizure.Mark was to have met his friend at the canal,but arrived later than promised,Marcy Qualls said."He was the one who had to call the man's wife and tell his daughter,"she said."He was almost in tears and shaking all over.He felt bad he didnt get there earlier."Marcy Qualls said her son has few friends.He said those he had either died or moved away.But he loves to fish and gives away most of his catch to acuaintances.Marcy Qualls said her son is compassionate."People always brought himbirds with broken legs or wings so he could doctor them"she said."And he's the person who feels sorry for the homless.He's taken quilted jackets to those homeless people in Cortez Park because it was so cold".Qualls said she was shakier Saturdaythan when her son brought her the news Friday."It seems like it's getting closer and closer.You wonder,Gee,when is it time to leave?" she said of the troubles in the neighborhood where she and her family have lived for nearly 38 years.On Saturday afternoon,Mark Qualls rode his bicycle to a bar near 35th and Dunlap avenues,then headed home and to bed.He did not want to talk.The media attention is "just about to put him over the edge"Marcy Qualls said,adding that he already had problems sleeping.But her son hopes something good will come of the grisly discovery."he's a very emotional person.He feels very deep for the underdog.He always has",Marcy Qualls said.

Edited by lucas north, 11 October 2012 - 02:21 AM.


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Posted 11 October 2012 - 02:19 AM

So what do people think about this article? Is Mark Qualls just an innocent hillbilly fisherman? Or is he a vile and vermonous animal who minipulates people into believing he is just an innocent hillbilly fisherman? Look I know that if he didnt find the head somebody else would of,but isnt it strange that his mother "felt" he was going to find the head? Maybe somebody in the warlocks group is related to Qualls. And dont you think its strange that Krakowiecki refuses to answer my question about people who were tested for DNA? What is he hiding? I know he is hiding something......

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 02:34 AM

Well Krakowiecki sent me an email all upset about how I ask him logical questions about the case.I am not"defaiming his charactor",simply asking logical questions.The fact that he has suddenly been unwilling to participate in the thread and answer these logical questions makes me suspect he is hiding something.I think they were having problems and think that Krakowiecki is lying about them having problems for fear of being suspected.Whether he is innocent or guilty I dont know and the only one who would know is Joseph Krakowiecki.Remember when I asked him if he knew if any of his friends were fans of "Silence of the Lambs"?His response was"I never watched Silence of the lambs,nor do I care to".This kind of question ducking seems to be a conversational habit of Krakowiecki's.Why play games if you want this case solved? Did you just come on here to throw us off the trail? I would like to believe you were not involved with the warlocks,but your making it hard for me to believe that is true by your suspicious behavior.

Edited by lucas north, 12 October 2012 - 02:37 AM.


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Posted 12 October 2012 - 02:53 AM

Aside from Krakowiecki,there are bigger things we need to discuss.We need information pretaining to several aspects of this case.We need more on Melanie and we have not heard from anyone who knew her on this thread,if you knew her please post on this thread.We need her bike route info as well as info pretaining to if she ever complianed of being stalked or watched while out riding her bike.Did she have friends around the Metrocenter/Sunnyslope area? Did she have a boyfriend she was in a relationship with who may have been older than her? I highly doubt she was killed by any of her Arcadia High classmates.Maybe Melanie wasnt random.Also we have not heard from any of Brosso's coworkers at Syntellect or anyone other than Krakowiecki and Voiceinthewind who lived at Woodstone Apartments during the time Angela was murdered.I have repeatedly asked new people to join to discussion and am repeating the call again.Hopefully this time it will not fall on death ears.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 04:09 AM

I am sorry I posted that in the wrong window.  I didnt mean to send that to your email so here is the repost.


Im starting to think you don’t read people posts. You are very good a copying and pasting articles. I have tried my best to help you with any information I could remember. I don’t know how many times I have to tell you I don’t know any bike stealing gay warlocks. But you insist I know more. Like this statement


“And dont you think its strange that Krakowiecki refuses to answer my question about people who were tested for DNA? What is he hiding? I know he is hiding something......”

What makes you think that I have a list of DNA subjects? Do you think the police shared anymore information with me than I have already told you?  Here is my confirmed list of DNA tests
  • ME!
After that the rest is just a guess. There is no “I was DNA tested in the Brosso case” club were we all sit around and talk about it. I would hope they tested the fisherman, and some of my closer classmates. If you want answers so bad call the police and ask them.

Then you keep asking if I know this WDL guy, I don’t. Why don’t you send him and email on Face book and see if he knows me.  How do I know that you’re not him? You hide behind a made up name, you have multiple users and you make stories up about what you want to be true. I had mixed emotions about coming on this forum. I am glad that I did, because I found out that the guys telling all the false stories is actually one person. I have heard you say how many times the police botched this one up, but they never created bogus users to make up evidence.

Your also following a Ronnie and Chris theory, and you swear I know them too. But I don’t. Im not sure how you can say this was done by someone I know, or was acquainted with. 95% of my friends in AZ only knew Angie as my GF that went to school in Cali, never even met her. And the couple that did know her, 4 total, I wouldnt suspect them at all. Were they DNA tested, see paragraph 2.

At this time I think I have given all I can. I wanted to fix the inaccuracies in the articles and the posts I read.  Yes it is my word against theirs, believe what you want, but I have not tried to deceive anyone with the typical internet forum games.  I have not done anything to cause people to not trust me, you have.  I will also ask that if you are going to post anything about me that you know or swear I did, please make sure it is accurate. You can have an opinion about what you think, but be careful with your facts. I have asked in the past for you to watch what you post. Going forward keep defamation of character on your mind as you type.

Edited by SandyBeaches, 12 October 2012 - 04:24 AM.


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Posted 12 October 2012 - 06:09 PM

I pulled up this topic this morning because it was the first thread on the True Crimes portion of this forum. I've never heard of Angie, Melanie, or Joe before today; I was 11 and 12 when these murders occurred. I must say between the mysterious "warlocks" and unfounded accusations towards Mr. Krakowieski and numerous usernames; Lucas Smith who are you really? You seem to have more passion invested in this to have just run across the story and it struck your curiosity 2ish years ago.


Edited for age correction

Edited by rachcobb, 12 October 2012 - 06:17 PM.





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