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[JonathanVonErich]

justiceseeker, on 31 October 2011 - 09:24 PM, said:

Did you find out they were confidential by contacing police?About Diana,I think her murder is connected to Robert Encila or his fiance or both.Diana and Robert were having an afair and Robert was Dianas drama class teacher at the community college in tuscon where she attended.Dianas sister Debbie Vicari believes so because Dianas car was found abandoned near a house in escrow belonging to the fiances mother.I think its a possibility the murders could all be connected,but they may not be.

Well usually these informations are confidential, unless you are part of an agency or working for one of the police department.

Thanks for the infos on Diana, I'll try to find more details about this case. Another interesting case !  

I have found this video on Diana:

Edited by JonathanVonErich, 31 October 2011 - 10:09 PM.

[justiceseeker]

Does anybody have anything else to add?

[Buster69]

Hello
Well it seems that a few months have passed since the 2 of you had your discussion ... I have a very "local" perspective of this nasty sicko crome and would really like not just to have a dialog with someone but perhaps even get some questions answered about the whole thing. I lived in that area most of my life -- to most of the people I know around there, there's not much doubt as to WHO did it; and although speculation is the foundation of the "WHODUNIT" theory, for over 20 years now, my questions remain unanswered, and I find answers to my questions impossible to find. With the right resources my ideas could be rest very easily. If someone responds and wants to know what the hell I'm talking about that will be great, if not I leave a hint/clue behind for future readers --- MQ.
Hope to finally tell my story to one that cares.
DP

[susieice]

PM'd Jon for you. I think he would be interested in what you have to say so as soon as he logs in, he should look into this thread, I hope. I'm sure he will really. He studies Criminology. We would all be interested in what you have to say. Sounds like you have a local's perspective on this case. Always interested in new theories.

[libstaK]

Hi just want to weigh in on a couple of points:

- The changing MO between the two killings.  I don't think it is necessarily odd, the simplest explanations are often the best and as was already noted a lack of time, something spooking the killer, panic or a first kill in an escalating series are all reasons why a decapitation did not occur in the first killing but did in the second.

- The lack of further cases after these two is also curious, the basic principle of a female alone in a secluded area near water should at the least apply, the bikes too BUT two kills is not enough to put a concrete MO on a killer, particularly a fledgling even these key indicators could be abandoned if the killer perceives they are now too risky.

The investigation and knowledge that police have his DNA could be cause for a radical shift in behaviour - he would not have been likely to have stopped but as I said a "fledgling" would be far more open to altering their methodology even in radical ways - or a means to not leave behind a body to be found may have occurred and therefore this guy could be quite active even now.

If there was to be a constant I think it would be in the age, physical attributes and sex of the victim - missing persons records need to be thoroughly explored I think.

I agree, a case like this deserves a higher profile, that it has been ignored so far is a curiosity of its own. Given they have DNA and that is public knowledge I cannot believe it is because they have a Irime suspect or crucial information that points in a particular direction - as stated there are always means to obtain DNA, discarded drinks, smokes, wrappers.  It's been 10 years, they would have eliminated anybody they had the remotest suspicion about by now - and that means everybody close to the known victims - so the boyfriend is not an option IMO.  

So why no further public appeals for information? Is the investigation ongoing or sitting on a backburner (in a coldcase file covered in dust somewhere?).

Edited by libstaK, 27 February 2012 - 11:47 AM.

[JonathanVonErich]

Thanks to Susie, dr. Watson, for the tip.

Buster69, on 27 February 2012 - 02:10 AM, said:

Hello
Well it seems that a few months have passed since the 2 of you had your discussion ... I have a very "local" perspective of this nasty sicko crome and would really like not just to have a dialog with someone but perhaps even get some questions answered about the whole thing. I lived in that area most of my life -- to most of the people I know around there, there's not much doubt as to WHO did it; and although speculation is the foundation of the "WHODUNIT" theory, for over 20 years now, my questions remain unanswered, and I find answers to my questions impossible to find. With the right resources my ideas could be rest very easily. If someone responds and wants to know what the hell I'm talking about that will be great, if not I leave a hint/clue behind for future readers --- MQ.
Hope to finally tell my story to one that cares.
DP

Hi ! Glad you have found this thread.

I want to know what the hell you're talking about, Buster. You can PM or email me anytime you want.

My email: lezodiackiller@hotmail.com

[JonathanVonErich]

Thanks for sharing, Libstak. Very interesting.

Ok I'm writing this in a rush ( I'm still on the campus, doesn't have much time to write ), so my english won't be too pretty.

libstaK, on 27 February 2012 - 11:45 AM, said:

- The changing MO between the two killings.  I don't think it is necessarily odd, the simplest explanations are often the best and as was already noted a lack of time, something spooking the killer, panic or a first kill in an escalating series are all reasons why a decapitation did not occur in the first killing but did in the second.

I agree, well said. In most cases the changing MO might be sign that the crimes were committed by different killers. However in this case I am convinced that the same killer murdered both Angela and Melanie. There's just too similarities, I'm sure they were killed by the same man ( or men, always a possibility that more than one person was involved. Like I wrote in my first reply: since Melanie wasn't decapitated then it's possible that decapitation may not be part of the killer's MO, and that the reason why he decapitated Angela was because he might have had a personal grudge against her. Only how I feel. Or he changed his MO to make people believe that more than one killer was in the area, again unusual but possible. I also feels like the murder of Diana, weeks before the death of Angela, is strong evidence that a serial killer was indeed in the area.

libstaK, on 27 February 2012 - 11:45 AM, said:

- The lack of further cases after these two is also curious, the basic principle of a female alone in a secluded area near water should at the least apply, the bikes too BUT two kills is not enough to put a concrete MO on a killer, particularly a fledgling even these key indicators could be abandoned if the killer perceives they are now too risky.

I disagree, two kills can be enough to put a concrete MO on a killer. Well, in most cases. It's a little bit more complicated for this case, but usually we can see a MO or patterns after two murders. The stolen bikes is really strange. Maybe the killer wanted to keep souvenirs, maybe it was his signature ( way to feel good, way to fill a need ), hell maybe it was the reason why he killed both girls ( but I doubt it ). Keeping these bikes could have been very risky, I really wonder why he ( or they ) did this.

libstaK, on 27 February 2012 - 11:45 AM, said:

The investigation and knowledge that police have his DNA could be cause for a radical shift in behaviour - he would not have been likely to have stopped but as I said a "fledgling" would be far more open to altering their methodology even in radical ways - or a means to not leave behind a body to be found may have occurred and therefore this guy could be quite active even now.

I highly agree with everything you wrote there.

libstaK, on 27 February 2012 - 11:45 AM, said:

So why no further public appeals for information? Is the investigation ongoing or sitting on a backburner (in a coldcase file covered in dust somewhere?).

Sadly the case is sitting somewhere and is not being seriously investigated ( as far as I know ), and it's really sad. A tragedy. Very unfair to the families of the victims.

I'm trying to find more infos, such a fascinating case !

[zenofman]

To buster,MQ stands for Mark Qualls and its obvious he didnt do it.He is nuts and would have been found out.Mark Qualls found the head in the canal by metrocenter.He is a mentaly disabled homeless fisherman.The one who did it was the boyfriend Joseph Krakowiecki.Why did he report her missing at 11:40 when she was supposed to be back at 8:30? She was moving out of the apartment and he was jealous so he killed her.He copied buffalo bill from silence of the lambs to make it look like it was a serial killer.He probably had an acomplice to help him hide the head and the acomplice is probably the one who killed Melanie Bernas.Krakowiecki isnt suspected by the cops because he was probably was cleared by dna testing.It probably was the acomplices dna found.The cops droped the ball on this one big time.

[JonathanVonErich]

zenofman, on 16 May 2012 - 11:50 PM, said:

To buster,MQ stands for Mark Qualls and its obvious he didnt do it.He is nuts and would have been found out.Mark Qualls found the head in the canal by metrocenter.He is a mentaly disabled homeless fisherman.The one who did it was the boyfriend Joseph Krakowiecki.Why did he report her missing at 11:40 when she was supposed to be back at 8:30? She was moving out of the apartment and he was jealous so he killed her.He copied buffalo bill from silence of the lambs to make it look like it was a serial killer.He probably had an acomplice to help him hide the head and the acomplice is probably the one who killed Melanie Bernas.Krakowiecki isnt suspected by the cops because he was probably was cleared by dna testing.It probably was the acomplices dna found.The cops droped the ball on this one big time.

Hi Zenofan. ( sorry for my grammar, I'm writing this from my Ipod Touch )

Krakowiecki is a good suspect, I agree, and I feel like he knows more than what he might have told the investigators.

However the truth is: we have no solid evidences against Krakowiecki. I agree that what he said/what he did after the murder is supicious, but remember that we are accusing somebody of being a killer, we need solid evidence to accuse somebody of such a serious crime, and in this case there's nothing solid against Krakowiecki. I doubt very seriously that the cops dropped the ball, it's too easy to say this. The killer was very methodical and left no clues behind, it's not easy to investigate this kind of crime, there's basically nothing to work with, no clues, nada.

You said "he probably had an accomplice"; well it's nothing more than a possibility. Yes, it would be logical that more than one man was involved in this murder(s), but the truth is that right now we don't have a single piece of evidence showing that the killer had help from somebody.

I think Krakowiecki is a good suspect, yes, but I really don't see how you can be convince of his guilt. One important thing I've learned in my criminology classes is that we should never accuse somebody of murder without having evidences against this person. When I look at the facts of this case, what we have, I see nothing that would convince me that Krakowiecki is behind this sadistic murder. Again I'm just sharing what I know based on the facts, and to me he's just another suspect. Since we can't place Krakowiecki at the crime scene, since it seems that DNA testing ruled him out as a suspect ( it would be shocking if he wasn't one of the 16 people who were ruled out via DNA testing ) and since we have absolutely nothing solid against him, I really don't see why somebody would be convinced of his guilt.

I agree that he's the most logical suspect ( boyfriends and husbands usually are ), but we need more proof to accuse him. Only my opinion.

Edited by JonathanVonErich, 17 May 2012 - 12:29 AM.

[regi]

From what's known, I see no reason to suspect the boyfriend.
I think the killer lived in the area, but soon moved on.

In general, I don't think it's likely that a killer who would dismember a victim would have an accompliss.

Re: no match in CODIS, it seems it's not unusual for a serial killer not to have such a record which would put his DNA on file.

In researching this case, I came across an Evan Marshall. He murdered and dismembered a woman who was his neighbor in August of 2006 in Mineola, Long Island.
At one point, authorities were looking into his possible involvement in similar murders in other states, Arizona included. In fact, Marshall graduated from Arizona State University in Tempe- a mere 20 minute drive from Phoenix- in 1997. Of course, that means he would have been a late teen in '92 and '93...
A request for Marshall's DNA was granted, but I'm not positive that it was actually collected.
(I'm sorry that I can't provide links to this info. I recorded them, but they won't work.)

[lisamichele]

Hi everyone. I know this cold case, I went to elementary school with Angela Brosso, the victim and I now study law in business. The case saddens me but I believe in justice and would love to see it being served. She deserves that. And so doe her family and friends for closure and the predator needs to be convicted for sure and forced to be liable compensate for intentionally harming her. I found an anonymous comment online that in my opinion upon analysis could lead to more questions and perhaps conclusion about who was responsible for her brutal slaying. The anonymous author said "i lived there at woodstone when angela was beheaded infact i was probably the last to see her. i always walked our cockerspaniel in the park every night and that night angela passed us on her bike at the cactus entrance we exchanged hellos and our dog would not continue on he freaked out and drug me back to the apt. angela was beheaded on the south side of cactus not in the park on the east side of woodstone wall. the boyfriend was never found guilty and as i recall wasnt even home at the time.i think he was at work. its not a good idea to assume or jump to conclusions it never turns out well when one does. "(Anonymous, 2011). I thought that the message sounded like a warning. That the person who wrote it admitted to being the last one to see her alive and that theoretically could be interpreted as the killer since the killer would have been the last. Also this individual claimed to know where her corpse was found. Next how does a cockerspaniel drag an adult back to an apartment? Read the paragraph carefully it does not make any sense and the author is mixed up in point of view using the words i, our and us when he was the only one to have supposedly seen her. I think it would be possible for the person to have more than one personality and this shows in the writing style. I believe the author may know more than they are admitting but they don't mention a word about contacting the authorities or giving a statement which is what a reasonable person would do.  I don't think that the boyfriend is liable or a potential defendant. She was an intelligent person and would have more than likely noticed he was deranged earlier on or there would be a history of abuse, battery, assault and threats against her personal property. They may have found her hair, fiber, or injuries on him from her defending herself. Whoever killed her did it out of rage, wanted to destroy and humilate her and I believe the other victim was killed because she had a similarity to Angela and reminded the killer of her. Who knows he could have been so delusional as to thinking she was Angela. The police have DNA but apparently it can be implied that it did not match the boyfriends. I don't think this was contracted by a hit either. Someone was watching her and knew of her pattern of riding that bike on a schedule and was prepared with full intent of injuring her. He know doubt confronted her and could have knocked her out cold, injected her with a sedative or talked her into go back to his place where he killed her and then moved the body back to the park for the detectives to discover. Intuitively I think he must have lived locally, knew the park and was possibly a neighbor and someone she was aquainted with. Could have been a butcher, investigator, coroner as an occupation and into rituals and sacrifices. He probably effecient and experienced having knowledge about how to stalk, capture, dismember, and get rid of the evidence with not one witness to vouch or testify or identify him and any peculiarities, sounds, evidence, or knowledge of his intent to harm. He knew how to manage his crime scene well. Then again In knowing there is a motive I would ask was there any will or inheritance to a third party beneficiary who would have benefitted from her death or was someone jealous of her, maybe even obsessed? What was the exact timeline of the events? I have contacted the investigator to provide the citation I found and I hope it leads to a new lead if he could be identified a criminal and civil trial could take place. Please respond to my post with your opinions or feedback. One last question, what are the statutes in Phoenix and would the case reopen for new discovery?

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[Lucas North-justiceseeker]

The person/persons who killed Angela and Melanie are animals.Finding him or them will prove to be difficult after so many years.First the fisherman Mark Qualls.He found Brossos head in the canal grate by castles and coasters.This man is mentaly disabled and unlikely to be a suspect.The police would have seen right through it.As for Krakowiecki,its unusual that hes been so quiet.He hasnt done one interview on this case that I can find and he moved on pretty quickly with a new girlfriend.To the last poster,you say you new Angela,did Joseph attened her funeral in Pennselvania? Did you ever meet him?

[kamd]

I knew Angie. On my walk through the cemetery today I stopped to
visit her grave. That's what prompted me to look up any possible new info on
her case, which led me here.
I was at her memorial service and I don't recall her boyfriend being there.
I never met him.  I knew Angie through junior high and high school, but didn't
keep in touch after we graduated.
She was a beautiful young woman, taken from her loved ones far too soon.

[JonathanVonErich]

Very interesting, Kamd. Thank you for sharing.

So in your opinion what happened to Angela ?? You think she was killed by somebody she knew or that it was a random attack ??

[kamd]

I remember people talking at her service. Some thought her boyfriend had something to do with it.  I didn't speak with her mother. My heart just broke for her.  I don't know what she suspects happened to her daughter.  She was just so fragile at the service. I'll never forget it.  As far as my opinion goes, not knowing Angie's boyfriend, I can't say I think he did it. Although, everything seems to point to either someone she knew or someone who stalked her long enough to know her routine.  I don't remember anything specific, but I do remember some of the conversations being about her having trouble in her relationship.  I don't know if she was planning to leave him or not.  I'll have to catch up with some old friends and see what they recall. I thank you for remembering her case and wanting to see it solved.  Angie was very sweet and funny. I can't think of one person who disliked her.  If I get anymore info I'll share it here.
Thanks,
Kelly