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#151    Scott G

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 10:38 PM

View Postbee, on 02 November 2011 - 10:30 PM, said:

thanks....that one is all in one part...but it also has the added bits.

I'm wondering what has been left out (if anything)...what was it in the unadulterated version
that we weren't meant to see. Or was it that they wanted to stick the propaganda in.

I'm not sure that anything was left out of the fragmented version. I think it was fragmented because youtube doesn't allow videos to be uploaded in chunks much larger than 5 minutes.. unless you pay a fee? It just seems I don't see too many youtube videos that are that long, so I'm guessing this is why.

However, this doesnt mean that I think that documentary said everything that has to be said about the issue. As a matter of fact, I much prefer articles from sites such as prisonplanet like this one, as they add a lot of stuff that is left out of most media sources.

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Posted 03 November 2011 - 10:29 AM

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thanks scott.....


meanwhile in Libya...Jibril ('NTC' leader) has stepped down. He was the guy who's arms were held up by Cameron and Sarcozy

like people do in a boxing ring for the victor after a boxing match...

and the new Prime Minister...is a dual US/Libyan citizen!



http://news.antiwar....prime-minister/

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Abdurraheem el-Keib spent his career in academia and has at least some tenuous ties to the energy sector


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The fact that the new Libyan Prime Minister is a US citizen and has at least tenuous ties to the petroleum and energy industry is raising the eyebrows of some who viewed the US-NATO intervention as an attempt to change the Libyan regime to one more favorable to Western interests. How it will play out among the people, who had no say in his election, remains to be seen.



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Posted 03 November 2011 - 01:52 PM

WAIT! STOP!
When Gaddafi started to attack his own people before UN/NATO/ARABLEAGUE) got involved, everyone in America is saying "He must go" or "justice for Lockerbie". Forward to the Summer, he is dead, Americans now say "It was OIL, should have not died", "Ally of the west". Not just Americans but from all over the world.
So are these people who have short term memory loss?

So to those people, if you were in Libya, you'r family gets killed by troops, you can't fight back, you can't flee, you are trapped. What are you going to do about it?


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Posted 03 November 2011 - 02:40 PM

A Libyan in London Speaks about Libya - Part 1







part 2





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Posted 03 November 2011 - 03:40 PM

Good videos bee. I liked how he ended on the subject of the occupy movements. I agree with him; I truly believe that the occupy movements are the new source of democracy.


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Posted 03 November 2011 - 07:04 PM

View PostScott G, on 03 November 2011 - 03:40 PM, said:

Good videos bee. I liked how he ended on the subject of the occupy movements. I agree with him; I truly believe that the occupy movements are the new source of democracy.

:tu:


Poor guy eh....he was struggling to hold back the tears in the second part...then broke down.

I wonder if his parents are dead or alive. I suspect they are probably dead.



warning...this video contains some swearing. so don't click on it if you think you will be offended.







as I have said before I would like to see Cameron prosecuted for allowing tax payers' money to be spent on
wrecking Libya and killing god knows how many civilians. And for making Britain active partners to the 'rebels'
who abused and murdered Gaddafi. (after NATO forces had wounded him) And also because he was aware that NATO
was bombing in part, in support of Al Qaeda jihadists. Which means that he was aiding and abetting a terrorist organization.


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Posted 03 November 2011 - 08:54 PM

View Postbee, on 03 November 2011 - 07:04 PM, said:

as I have said before I would like to see Cameron prosecuted for allowing tax payers' money to be spent on
wrecking Libya and killing god knows how many civilians. And for making Britain active partners to the 'rebels'
who abused and murdered Gaddafi. (after NATO forces had wounded him) And also because he was aware that NATO
was bombing in part, in support of Al Qaeda jihadists. Which means that he was aiding and abetting a terrorist organization.
Heyyy… aren't you supposed to be at St. Paul's getting something done about that?

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Operation Northwoods was a 1962 plan by the US Department of Defense to cause acts of violence, blamed on Cuba, in order to generate U.S. public support for military action against the Cuban government. The plan called for various false flag actions, such as staged terrorist attacks and plane hijackings, on U.S. and Cuban soil.

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Posted 03 November 2011 - 10:16 PM

Did you like the last video I posted Q4?

I think it's brilliant. A work of art. A political work of art.


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Posted 03 November 2011 - 11:36 PM

View Postbee, on 03 November 2011 - 10:16 PM, said:

Did you like the last video I posted Q4?

I think it's brilliant. A work of art. A political work of art.


:)
What can I say?

We’re British.. Yeah.. We’re British.. We’re the ****ing British..

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Posted 03 November 2011 - 11:42 PM

i feel the same way you do. this is what happen when saddam was in power they had pictures of his execution and videos


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Posted 04 November 2011 - 12:38 AM

View Postbee, on 03 November 2011 - 07:04 PM, said:

:tu:


Poor guy eh....he was struggling to hold back the tears in the second part...then broke down.

I wonder if his parents are dead or alive. I suspect they are probably dead.



warning...this video contains some swearing. so don't click on it if you think you will be offended.







as I have said before I would like to see Cameron prosecuted for allowing tax payers' money to be spent on
wrecking Libya and killing god knows how many civilians. And for making Britain active partners to the 'rebels'
who abused and murdered Gaddafi. (after NATO forces had wounded him) And also because he was aware that NATO
was bombing in part, in support of Al Qaeda jihadists. Which means that he was aiding and abetting a terrorist organization.
Why are acting like a terrorist?


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Posted 04 November 2011 - 08:39 AM

View Postbee, on 03 November 2011 - 07:04 PM, said:

:tu:


Poor guy eh....he was struggling to hold back the tears in the second part...then broke down.

Yeah, for a long time I was just thinking, how is this guy holding together so well when he doesn't even know what's going on with his parents?

View Postbee, on 03 November 2011 - 07:04 PM, said:

I wonder if his parents are dead or alive. I suspect they are probably dead.

I suspect they're alive; they got out of Sirte a few days before things really started getting hot. That being said, it doesn't mean that they're having an easy time; they gave up their home after all.

View Postbee, on 03 November 2011 - 07:04 PM, said:

warning...this video contains some swearing. so don't click on it if you think you will be offended.




as I have said before I would like to see Cameron prosecuted for allowing tax payers' money to be spent on
wrecking Libya and killing god knows how many civilians. And for making Britain active partners to the 'rebels'
who abused and murdered Gaddafi. (after NATO forces had wounded him) And also because he was aware that NATO
was bombing in part, in support of Al Qaeda jihadists. Which means that he was aiding and abetting a terrorist organization.

Well,  maybe one day. In the meantime, we've got to educate people to the point that there's enough people to actually get something like that done.


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Posted 04 November 2011 - 03:59 PM

View PostErix, on 03 November 2011 - 01:52 PM, said:

WAIT! STOP!
When Gaddafi started to attack his own people before UN/NATO/ARABLEAGUE) got involved, everyone in America is saying "He must go" or "justice for Lockerbie". Forward to the Summer, he is dead, Americans now say "It was OIL, should have not died", "Ally of the west". Not just Americans but from all over the world.
So are these people who have short term memory loss?

So to those people, if you were in Libya, you'r family gets killed by troops, you can't fight back, you can't flee, you are trapped. What are you going to do about it?

Die of course. Because death is better than implied imperialism it seems. Of course that's when the screams of "why didn't the West do something" start up...

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth a war, is much worse...A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.

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Posted 04 November 2011 - 04:21 PM

View PostCorp, on 04 November 2011 - 03:59 PM, said:

Die of course. Because death is better than implied imperialism it seems.

If the imperialist powers that backed the rebels didn't kill people so indiscrimately, it might have been different. But that's not the case. Here's an excerpt from a story in The Guardian concerning the war in Libya:
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If the Libyan war was about saving lives, it was a catastrophic failure

Nato claimed it would protect civilians in Libya, but delivered far more killing. It's a warning to the Arab world and Africa
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What is now known, however, is that while the death toll in Libya  when Nato intervened was perhaps around 1,000-2,000 (judging by UN  estimates), eight months later it is probably more than ten times that  figure. Estimates of the numbers of dead over the last eight months – as  Nato leaders vetoed ceasefires and negotiations – range from 10,000 up  to 50,000. The National Transitional Council puts the losses at 30,000  dead and 50,000 wounded.

Of those, uncounted thousands will be  civilians, including those killed by Nato bombing and Nato-backed forces  on the ground. These figures dwarf the death tolls in this year's other  most bloody Arab uprisings, in Syria and Yemen. Nato has not protected  civilians in Libya – it has multiplied the number of their deaths, while  losing not a single soldier of its own.

For the western powers,  of course, the Libyan war has allowed them to regain ground lost in  Tunisia and Egypt, put themselves at the heart of the upheaval sweeping  the most strategically sensitive region in the world, and secure  valuable new commercial advantages in an oil-rich state whose previous  leadership was at best unreliable. No wonder the new British defence  secretary is telling businessmen to "pack their bags" for Libya, and the  US ambassador in Tripoli insists American companies are needed on a  "big scale".

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Source: http://www.guardian....trophic-failure

And here's another link regarding Libya and its former leader Gaddafi, that doesn't sugar coat Gaddafi's dictatorial style, but at the same time bears witness to the fact that his citizens did enjoy some things that many western backed governments don't:
http://www.theafrica...s-50174374.html


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Posted 04 November 2011 - 11:30 PM

I would like to add a few things...
  He, like Saddam, was a socialist. They were not religious leaders although from time to time they would claim they were. It seems to me that most of the people who rose up against him were the radical Moslems. I notice during the fighting that the rebels would be seen praying before battle.  For a number of years Gaddafi worked with the US to suppress these radical movements and they were the ones who felt his iron hand. So we again are using these radicals like we did in Afghanistan in the 1980s. The new Libyan government contains a number of these radicals.  In Egypt the same thing happened where the radicals helped to overthrow the pro-US government. Now they are slaughternig the Christians.
  
Why did we support the revolt?
  The price of oil at $95 a barrel was a good reason as any.
  I think the one incident with really decided Gaddafi downfall was the release of the Pan Am bomber from Scotland.  They were paid off to get him released and  we were told he was going to die. But when he landed back home, he is seen leaving the airplane on his own two feet waving to the crowds. This was a real slap in the face to the Americans and probably was the incident that conviced Obama that Gaddafi had to go. He would no longer use his wealth to aggravate us with incidents like this one with the bomber.





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