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#166    bee

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Posted 05 November 2011 - 11:07 AM

View Postgolfwang, on 03 November 2011 - 11:42 PM, said:

i feel the same way you do. this is what happen when saddam was in power they had pictures of his execution and videos

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yes it's like the modern equivalent of putting heads on poles and parading them around.


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Posted 05 November 2011 - 11:27 AM

View PostScott G, on 04 November 2011 - 04:21 PM, said:

If the imperialist powers that backed the rebels didn't kill people so indiscrimately, it might have been different. But that's not the case. Here's an excerpt from a story in The Guardian concerning the war in Libya:
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If the Libyan war was about saving lives, it was a catastrophic failure

Nato claimed it would protect civilians in Libya, but delivered far more killing. It's a warning to the Arab world and Africa
Source: http://www.guardian....trophic-failure


thanks for the Guardian article, Scott


also from your link....


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And these massacre sites are only the latest of many such discoveries. Amnesty International has now produced compendious evidence of mass abduction and detention, beating and routine torture, killings and atrocities by the rebel militias Britain, France and the US have backed for the last eight months – supposedly to stop exactly those kind of crimes being committed by the Gaddafi regime.


the hypocrisy is so transparent, it seems like NATO, the UN and International Law Courts just don't bother
to even pretend any more. Or the pretense is so minimal that it is just to give the green light to military
action and provide mainstream media coverage.




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Throughout that time African migrants and black Libyans have been subject to a relentless racist campaign of mass detention, lynchings and atrocities on the usually unfounded basis that they have been loyalist mercenaries. Such attacks continue, says Bouckaert, who witnessed militias from Misrata this week burning homes in Tawerga so that the town's predominantly black population – accused of backing Gaddafi – will be unable to return.



looks like NATO and the UN are also now backing selective 'ethnic cleansing'.....or at the very least turning a blind eye,
which is more or less the same.


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Posted 05 November 2011 - 11:56 AM

View PostMike 215, on 04 November 2011 - 11:30 PM, said:

I would like to add a few things...
  He, like Saddam, was a socialist. They were not religious leaders although from time to time they would claim they were. It seems to me that most of the people who rose up against him were the radical Moslems. I notice during the fighting that the rebels would be seen praying before battle.  For a number of years Gaddafi worked with the US to suppress these radical movements and they were the ones who felt his iron hand. So we again are using these radicals like we did in Afghanistan in the 1980s. The new Libyan government contains a number of these radicals.  In Egypt the same thing happened where the radicals helped to overthrow the pro-US government. Now they are slaughternig the Christians.


thanks for post Mike215...you bring up some excellent points

It's as if the West doesn't want secular Islamic countries to exist and 'they' would prefere them
to be hard line religious ones. Maybe because that keeps them very separate from the secular west...?

part of divide and rule?


  
  

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Why did we support the revolt?
  The price of oil at $95 a barrel was a good reason as any.
  I think the one incident with really decided Gaddafi downfall was the release of the Pan Am bomber from Scotland.  They were paid off to get him released and  we were told he was going to die. But when he landed back home, he is seen leaving the airplane on his own two feet waving to the crowds. This was a real slap in the face to the Americans and probably was the incident that conviced Obama that Gaddafi had to go. He would no longer use his wealth to aggravate us with incidents like this one with the bomber.


And now cannot fund....practically single-handedly?.....the unity, education and liberation of AFRICA


the stakes (as I am now learning) were so high that Gaddafi and Gaddafi's socialist Libya would be removed at ALL COSTS...








from the video information....

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1. Gaddafi wouldn't bow down to the Rothschild central reserve banking cartel.

2. Gadaffi Proposed $400 million African Satellite - gadaffi alone came up with $300 million for this project.
For those who ask, whats the big deal in it, it's really a huge set back for European western countries, because they get paid by Africa every year $500 million in rent for the services European satellite provides to Africa.
Africa being self sufficient is definitely a set back for western economy.

3. AMF: African Monetary Fund - No more borrowing from Rothschild Central Bank for African countries, AMF was planned to produce its own currency for Africa, backed by Gold standard.
Interest free.

4. Libya's $300 Billion Gold reserves.

5. Libya sits on Africa's largest oil and natural gas reserves.

6. Gadaffi planned to free the entire African continent from the clutches of Western imperialism.

7. Libya's Blue gold - Libya's priceless water basins.


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Edited by bee, 05 November 2011 - 11:59 AM.


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Posted 05 November 2011 - 09:54 PM

Excellent thread Bee. I wish I could go through and read every post but time is not on my side this evening.

I'll just have to give some bullet points on things I have noticed since the conflict began:-

1) There was absolutely no diplomacy attempted by the West. As soon as there was a rebel movement, they were being supported through the media. I thought it was policy not to intervene in civil wars.

2) Significant amount of arms were supplied by the West.

3) An early action by the rebels was to form a central bank of Libya. Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya all did not have central banks a decade ago and this is an important shift. Arguably a motive has been to defend the currency markets.

4) War crimes were commited by the rebels against Libyan troops and Qadaffi supporters, including rapes, beheadings and more.

5) NATTO was dropping missiles with enriched uranium and this will stay in the soil of Libya for generations. It will cause death and birth defects,

6) Qadaffi did a fair bit for the Libyan people just as Saddam did. They both offered education and Qadaffi invested significantly in bringing water to the desert.

7) Qadaffi was sexually assaulted right before he was executed.

8) Had he survived he may have implicated the West in unknown atrocities.

9) Qadaffi's son gave himself up and was executed rather than be treated as a prisoner of war as stated by the Geneva convention.

10) The leader of the rebels supports Sharia law.

11) The flag of Al Qaeda flies above the ministry of Libyan justice.

These are all things I have read or heard from reliable sources and I can find links if required. The whole situation smells very fishy and I doubt whether more genuine freedom will be brought to the country. Financial enslavement is a far more likely outcome as Capitalism may now have another nation to consume its goods ut they may also have assisted giving terrorism a base much closer to Europe thanpreviously held.

Not a month after Qadaffi has been killed there are already discussions going on over war with Iran. That would be a totally different war and I hope that day does not come. Always the people who suffer the most are the ordinary citizens who are left to rebuild their country from rubble. The factionalism will probably be worse than ever once the dust has cleared.

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Posted 06 November 2011 - 11:19 AM

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thanks SlimJim22....... :tu:

it's fishy and it all stinks to high heaven




I found out yesterday that....

http://nsnbc.wordpre...es-about-libya/

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Before NATO and the U.S. started bombing Libya, the United Nations was preparing to bestow an award on Colonel Muammar Gaddafi, and the Libyan Jamahiriya, for its achievements in the area of human rights. That’s right–the same man, Colonel Muammar Gaddafi, that NATO and the United States have been telling us for months is a “brutal dictator,” was set to be given an award for his human rights record in Libya. How strange it is that the United Nations was set to bestow a human rights award on a “brutal dictator,” at the end of March.


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http://www2.ohchr.or...A-HRC-16-15.pdf




that was in January and must have been a real worry and concern to the nations planning to bring down Gaddafi and the Jamahiriya.

something would have to be done and done quickly to nip this in the bud. What to do?

Obvious solution, get the uprising started and started imediately! And thats what happened in February.




then...enter...Soliman Bouchuiguir making wild claims to the UN that he himself admits there is no evidence for.










this farce might be amusing if it wasn't for the destruction of Libya, abuse/murder of Gaddafi and the death/wounding

of tens of thousands of civilians in Libya. So it's not amusing at all. But very very sad.


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Posted 06 November 2011 - 02:40 PM

The whole thing smacks of Operation Gladio to me. What better way to start a rebellion that through 'stay behind' groups covertly working to incite violence.

What happened in Tunisia and Egypt was totally different to what occured in Libya. It was less a rebellion and more of a civil war sponsored by NATO Imperialism.

Gadaffi was no angel but he was given little chance to defend himself against all the accusations and he probably knew what was being planned against him.

Without Gadaffi, where would Libya be? They would not have the GMMR project that irrigates the desert and they would have been exploited for resources by the west much earlier. The Imperialists will probbaly think they have to make up for lost time and this wil drive a wedge etween factions and lead to greater violence.

Interesting how quiet Tony Blair has been the whole time considering he was a close friend of Gadaffi but he has most likely been paid off like all the other parties.

http://www.infiniteu...n-rights-award/

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 12:06 PM

View PostMr_Snstr, on 02 November 2011 - 09:48 PM, said:

No definately not THE factor, not one bit. Gadaffi could have been a great leader who loved his people and whos people loved him, or a brutal dictator and everyone feared him. Simple fact is he could not be controlled. He didn't play ball. There are worse dictators out there right now, we're not overthrowing them. They play ball.


yes and that would never do

especially as Libya was a combination of economically independant + socialist




View PostSlimJim22, on 06 November 2011 - 02:40 PM, said:

The whole thing smacks of Operation Gladio to me. What better way to start a rebellion that through 'stay behind' groups covertly working to incite violence.

What happened in Tunisia and Egypt was totally different to what occured in Libya. It was less a rebellion and more of a civil war sponsored by NATO Imperialism.

Gadaffi was no angel but he was given little chance to defend himself against all the accusations and he probably knew what was being planned against him.


Without Gadaffi, where would Libya be? They would not have the GMMR project that irrigates the desert and they would have been exploited for resources by the west much earlier. The Imperialists will probbaly think they have to make up for lost time and this wil drive a wedge etween factions and lead to greater violence.

Interesting how quiet Tony Blair has been the whole time considering he was a close friend of Gadaffi but he has most likely been paid off like all the other parties.

http://www.infiniteu...n-rights-award/

As always, it is a pleasure Bee!  :tu:


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bolded....he was very quiet, regarding the Mainstream Media...but I found this last night.

Same old Tony. Same old liar.

It made me sick to listen to him. I had to tell someone on this forum yesterday that in Britain

Blair is more or less an outcast because of his warmongering. I will never forget watching him

persuading parliament to back the Iraq war. Even though he is a good liar. You could tell he was

lying. It was a moment of utter embarassment for the nation. But it was enough to bring the majority

of MPs into line.




Gaddafi wouldn't reform internally says Tony Blair





Blair has sold his soul to the devil.

He is pretending that he doesn't know about the Direct Democracy that the Libyans had.

The exact kind of democracy that is now being called for by the Occupy Movement in America and elsewhere.


and the help he speaks of....not necessarily military he says....no Tony of course not, you're not
a patsy and a warmonger are you?  


http://www.telegraph...s-in-Libya.html

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In total, "Operation Unified Protector", as the Nato action was code-named, flew 26,000 sorties over Libya from the time the UN no-fly zone was declared on March 17, and hit 5,900 targets.


Help for Libya...courtesy of the UN and NATO.

And now the Al Qaeda flag flies over the Court House in Benghazi and the country is under Sharia law.

Courtesy of the UN and NATO.

The country now faces years of social unrest and economic hardship.

Courtesy of the UN and NATO.


Yes that was very helpful


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Posted 08 November 2011 - 12:12 AM

June 2011...


Libyan Women, A Message to Hillary Clinton, and Obama's wife's ( English), War On Libya









The reputations of the UN, NATO, the US (and individual politicians involved) are stained forever
over what happened to Libya and to Gaddafi.

Iraq was bad enough and now this...



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Edited by bee, 08 November 2011 - 12:13 AM.


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Posted 08 November 2011 - 07:23 AM

This woman makes me sick.  I'll never ever forget this video.... bloody disgusting.



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Posted 24 January 2012 - 05:07 PM

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Latest developments in Libya....











Do we hear about any of this in the main stream media of the US, Britain, France etc?

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 09:04 PM

View PostLittle Fish, on 27 October 2011 - 10:20 PM, said:

why did gaddafi deserve to die? what were his alleged crimes?
No one knows. Who cares?(we are) They didnt planed his trial. People will talk month , two and after that everything will be same as it is.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 11:13 AM

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It was always going to end in tears, IMO....


Jeeeezus what a mess...






http://www.telegraph...isgraceful.html#

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Secretary of State Hillary Clinton insisted there was no excuse for the violence.

"Some have sought to justify this vicious behaviour as a response to inflammatory material posted on the internet," Clinton said in her statement.

"The United States deplores any intentional effort to denigrate the religious beliefs of others ... But let me be clear: There is never any justification for violent acts of this kind."


Pity Hilary was all too keen to justify the vicious and violent murder of Gaddifi last year....




Now it's R.I.P.....US Ambassador Christopher Stevens and  the other US diplomats who died...


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Posted 13 September 2012 - 01:46 PM

W.H. Auden: "Those to whom evil is done, do evil in return"


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Posted 13 September 2012 - 05:33 PM

why does anyone support Gaddafi? clueless


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Posted 13 September 2012 - 07:34 PM

...not just about that.





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