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#151    quillius

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 10:04 AM

View Postpsyche101, on 28 March 2013 - 03:53 AM, said:

Colingo: Did Broadus come and report this sighting and then these men?

Huntley: 1 don't remember now. I would have to check with the chief on that. But I do know that they heard the tape that we took last night — or they took last night.

Rudolph: This was after they had been in to tell their story?

Huntley: Right. Then that is when they said, "Well, you know that is funny because we saw the same thing. We saw a blue light." In fact Mr. Broadus is a Christian man and he said he'd been over to Gautier somewhere to church.

Colingo: If Mr. Broadus says he saw it — he saw it. I mean, he is that type of fellow. Now this other fellow — I don't know who you are talking about...

??? this was the part I mentioned you should read page 9/10. This doesnt say he saw another UFO at another time??? He is talking about the blue UFO that Charlie and Calvin claim to have seen. The reason I was asking you to read this part revolves around the timing.

You see both the officers on duty and the 'army' discussed the sighting with both Larry and Broadus, or at least knew about it and mentioned it in report on front page

My problem is this, Calvin and Charlie spent at least 1 hour discussing who to tell prior to getting to the station. This coupled with the first interview lasting over an hour, we are now approaching midnight.....so when did Broadus and Larry report it?  I also thought they phoned it in but the dialogue suggests otherwise. more questions if they saw it at the same time as C and C then why wait so long prior to reporting it?

Also Huntley says he doesnt know if they came in before or after, yet a few seconds later he is asked:
Rudolph: This was after they had been in to tell their story?

Huntley: Right. Then that is when they said,

so suddenly he can remember????

Their statements or at least further clarity here would be helpful me thinks.

Edited by quillius, 28 March 2013 - 10:58 AM.


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Posted 28 March 2013 - 10:05 AM

View Postpsyche101, on 28 March 2013 - 05:06 AM, said:

I beg your pardon? I suggest you check it again.


I did check it again and it was edited within a hour of you making your post.

Bit of a co-incidence that, eh?

Not.


This is the link you gave... http://en.wikipedia....e_UFO_Encounter


When you click on 'view history' at the top you get this

http://en.wikipedia....&action=history


And there's the edit at 4:12..28th March (2013)


http://en.wikipedia....&undo=547382757


yesterday when I quoted it it said...


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On the evening of October 11, 1973, 42-year-old Charles Hickson and 19-year-old Calvin Parker — co-workers at a [[shipyard]] — were [[fishing]] off a pier on the west bank of the [[Pascagoula River]] in [[Mississippi]]. They heard a whirring/whizzing sound, saw two flashing blue lights, and reported that a domed, cigar-shaped aircraft, some 30 to 40 feet across and 8 to 10 feet high, suddenly appeared near them. The ship seemed to [[levitation (paranormal)|levitate]] about 2 feet above the ground.



but now it says....



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On the evening of October 11, 1973, 42-year-old Charles Hickson and 19-year-old Calvin Parker — co-workers at a [[shipyard]] — were [[fishing]] off a pier on the west bank of the [[Pascagoula River]] in [[Mississippi]]. They heard a whirring/whizzing sound, saw two flashing blue lights, and reported that an oval shaped "craft", some 8 feet across and 8 or more feet high, suddenly appeared near them. <ref>http://www.theblackvault.com/encyclopedia/documents/MUFON/Journals/1984/May_June_1984.pdf</ref> The ship seemed to [[levitation (paranormal)|levitate]] about 2 feet above the ground.



you can see where the edit came from by clicking on (talk)...on the View History link on the 28th March edit...



Is that you psyche or did you get someone else to do it?

You don't like being proved wrong do you...but I didn't think you would go to these lengths. Although I do now..


:huh:



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Posted 28 March 2013 - 10:09 AM

Sorry, i haven't been following this thread, so it may be perfectly clear if only I'd been paying attention, but what does this mean exactly?

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For me I agree with point one, but after that I still find the size of the craft not workable, the 20 years return trip indicates a fabricated story to begin with and the fact that the men are religious strikes me as motive for an indecent act they would want to cover up. The immediate and sizeable reaction from the press is also suspicious in my opinion.

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 10:17 AM

View PostTheMcGuffin, on 27 October 2011 - 06:12 PM, said:

Hickson was interviewed by Dr. James Harder about the incident, and Harder also tried to hypnotize him, but Hickson became too upset to continue.








but thanks to the videos that McGuff posted we have the actual words of Hickson

and he says...in the second part...at 2:45...


That he estimates the craft was... 30 - 40 foot long and 8 - 10 foot high...


Obviously the size of the craft is important to the debunking of this case...and it is a key point for debunkers to uphold.


These shenanagans  about the size says to me that this case is probably the real thing...

Or at the very least something happened that has to be kept secret.


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Posted 28 March 2013 - 10:23 AM

View Postpsyche101, on 28 March 2013 - 05:11 AM, said:

That is amazing, last night I flicked on late night telly, and season 7 starts Sunday. What a co-incidence!


co-incidence.....LOL...

just like the timely edit on you wiki link

:rolleyes:

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 10:56 AM

View Postbee, on 28 March 2013 - 10:05 AM, said:

I did check it again and it was edited within a hour of you making your post.

Bit of a co-incidence that, eh?

Not.


This is the link you gave... http://en.wikipedia....e_UFO_Encounter


When you click on 'view history' at the top you get this

http://en.wikipedia....&action=history


And there's the edit at 4:12..28th March (2013)


http://en.wikipedia....&undo=547382757


yesterday when I quoted it it said...






but now it says....







you can see where the edit came from by clicking on (talk)...on the View History link on the 28th March edit...



Is that you psyche or did you get someone else to do it?

You don't like being proved wrong do you...but I didn't think you would go to these lengths. Although I do now..


:huh:



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gee whiz, I've no idea what all that techno-talk means, but you're suggesting that Psyche might have deliberately altered something on Wiki the Pedia in order to have his argument proved correct on an Internet discussion forum?

Edited by Lord Vetinari, 28 March 2013 - 10:57 AM.

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 11:08 AM

View PostLord Vetinari, on 28 March 2013 - 10:56 AM, said:

gee whiz, I've no idea what all that techno-talk means, but you're suggesting that Psyche might have deliberately altered something on Wiki the Pedia in order to have his argument proved correct on an Internet discussion forum?

Kinda reminds me of this...

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 11:09 AM

View PostLord Vetinari, on 28 March 2013 - 10:56 AM, said:

gee whiz, I've no idea what all that techno-talk means, but you're suggesting that Psyche might have deliberately altered something on Wiki the Pedia in order to have his argument proved correct on an Internet discussion forum?

the wiki edit came from Australia, Queensland, Brisbane


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Posted 28 March 2013 - 11:52 AM

View Postbee, on 28 March 2013 - 10:17 AM, said:

but thanks to the videos that McGuff posted we have the actual words of Hickson

and he says...in the second part...at 2:45...


That he estimates the craft was... 30 - 40 foot long and 8 - 10 foot high...


Obviously the size of the craft is important to the debunking of this case...and it is a key point for debunkers to uphold.


These shenanagans  about the size says to me that this case is probably the real thing...

Or at the very least something happened that has to be kept secret.


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Au contraire, it points to made up story, when details are on the constantly changing course... :whistle:

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 11:54 AM

the edit is referenced... [1]


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Posted 28 March 2013 - 01:30 PM

The first interview (by Ryder and Diamond) with the two men doesnt actually cover size, only size. During this interview Charlie says that it is approximately 8ft HIGH. thats it. The transcript reflects this also.

They are also interviewed at the Keeslar base, during this interview Charlie is quoted as saying 8ft wide and also over 8ft high. However we only have the typed transcript rather than the audio to confirm this is actually what he said. This leaves the door open to the transcript containing an error and they typed 8ft for both wide and high.

We then have the interview with Harder (which Bee is refering to) in which he says 8ft high but wide around 30-40ft, with more detail in regards to angles etc. This is correct in both the audio and the transcript.

So as far as actually listening to his words first hand (via recording rather than transcript) we have this consistancy:

8ft high 30-40ft wide.

hmmm

I dont agree with Bee that the size matters and it cannot be used to debunk the case. However I guess as a guy I would always say size doesnt matter.


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Posted 28 March 2013 - 01:31 PM

View Postbmk1245, on 28 March 2013 - 11:52 AM, said:

Au contraire, it points to made up story, when details are on the constantly changing course... :whistle:


Hello BMK, sorry to interupt the whistle but whats changed exactly? :whistle:


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Posted 28 March 2013 - 01:37 PM

View Postmcrom901, on 28 March 2013 - 11:54 AM, said:

the edit is referenced... [1]

indeed, I think the question is why information from a transcript took priority to that of his actual words that we can all hear? Surely the 30-40 ft should be placed there until its proved otherwise. I guess if we could listen to the bases interogation and this matched with the typed notes in that Charlie says 8ft wide, then this may take priority due to timeline, i.e this description came first. I would hasten to add the clarity and detail on angle he describes in the harder interview when he refers to the size as 30-40 ft is quite compelling for me. Even if the bases interogation was exact and matched the words of Charlie I would throw a pinch of salt over it due to the intense questioning, the rawness of the event/trauma....one could easily say wide instead of high etc etc. His anxiety seems to be apparent during thsi interview whereas the Harder one he is quite composed.


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Posted 28 March 2013 - 03:42 PM

View PostLord Vetinari, on 28 March 2013 - 10:56 AM, said:

gee whiz, I've no idea what all that techno-talk means, but you're suggesting that Psyche might have deliberately altered something on Wiki the Pedia in order to have his argument proved correct on an Internet discussion forum?

I have no idea if that is the case or not,... but Im sure there are other sources than wiki if one wanted to double check something. Unless, of course, psyche is one of those omnipotent web masters that can change everything on the internet to fit his clams here at UM?


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Posted 29 March 2013 - 04:00 PM

View Postquillius, on 28 March 2013 - 01:31 PM, said:

Hello BMK, sorry to interupt the whistle but whats changed exactly? :whistle:
Taking turn 8x8 ft -> 30x8 ft (if we assume transcript in Mufon Journal is correct).

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