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#1    Still Waters

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 11:05 AM

www.telegraph.co.uk said:

A Viking legend which tells of a glowing "sunstone" that, when held up to the sky, disclosed the position of the Sun on a cloudy day may have some basis in truth, scientists believe.

The ancient race are believed to have to discovered North America hundreds of years before Christopher Columbus.

Now experiments have shown that a crystal, called an Iceland spar, could detect the sun with an accuracy within a degree – allowing the legendary seafarers to navigate thousands of miles on cloudy days and during short Nordic nights.

Dr Guy Ropars, of the University of Rennes, and colleagues said "a precision of a few degrees could be reached" even when the sun was below the horizon.

An Iceland spar, which is transparent and made of calcite, was found in the wreck of an Elizabethan ship discovered thirty years ago off the coast of Alderney in the Channel Islands after it sank in 1592 just four years after the defeat of the Spanish Armada.

Viking legend tells of an enigmatic sunstone or sólarsteinn that, when held up to the sky, revealed the position of the sun, even on overcast days or below the horizon, the study reveals.

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 12:16 PM

Pretty well known if you have been to a viking museum before.

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 01:30 PM

Still wouldnt convince me to cross the Atlantic though  :rolleyes:

Icelandic Spar is not magical, it is calcite, I have a crystal at home that certainly does not perform the accuracy described in the article. In fact, nothing at all on a cloudy day.

Why Vikings would embark on a 3 month long journey to somewhere that they did not even knew existed, is way beyond me. The stores they would have had to carry would have sunk their longships before leaving port... the whole idea is just a romantic notion, with no factual base to support it..


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Posted 02 November 2011 - 01:47 PM

View PostBackFromTheDead, on 02 November 2011 - 01:30 PM, said:

Still wouldnt convince me to cross the Atlantic though  :rolleyes:

Icelandic Spar is not magical, it is calcite, I have a crystal at home that certainly does not perform the accuracy described in the article. In fact, nothing at all on a cloudy day.

Why Vikings would embark on a 3 month long journey to somewhere that they did not even knew existed, is way beyond me. The stores they would have had to carry would have sunk their longships before leaving port... the whole idea is just a romantic notion, with no factual base to support it..

Well...seeing how it is actually proven they landed in Canada years before Columbus hit the continent...doesn't really matter now does it?  They have found long house foundations dating to the 11th and 12th century and other viking relics...Columbus was not the first...Welcome to Vinland btw...

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 03:29 PM

It’s not surprising that Leif was not acknowledged for the achievement and Columbus was because he was not a Christian. Christian society couldn’t in the past (and today) acknowledge and honor the achievement of a pagan. Even though Columbus was a genocidal mad-man who made Hitler look like a juvenile delinquent. http://socyberty.com...e-taino-nation/ He was even hauled back to Spain for his atrocities in chains – but Spanish Royalty exonerated him. So we name cities after him and honor him with a holiday – but what do you expect from a society that honors its criminals and mad-men – most of them today are in D.C.


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Posted 02 November 2011 - 05:49 PM

I'd like to see a video of someone using two or three in the described manner to offer proof of hypothises.

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 11:49 PM

View PostBackFromTheDead, on 02 November 2011 - 01:30 PM, said:


Why Vikings would embark on a 3 month long journey to somewhere that they did not even knew existed, is way beyond me.

Drink probably had something to do with it.  :P


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Posted 03 November 2011 - 11:32 AM

View PostBackFromTheDead, on 02 November 2011 - 01:30 PM, said:

Still wouldnt convince me to cross the Atlantic though  :rolleyes:

Icelandic Spar is not magical, it is calcite, I have a crystal at home that certainly does not perform the accuracy described in the article. In fact, nothing at all on a cloudy day.

Why Vikings would embark on a 3 month long journey to somewhere that they did not even knew existed, is way beyond me. The stores they would have had to carry would have sunk their longships before leaving port... the whole idea is just a romantic notion, with no factual base to support it..

I think from what they're saying it's just that one crystal that works for it. Certainly most calcite crystals won't do it. I assume it's something to do with the fractures within the spar that they happen to be aligned in such a way as to refract sunlight into a focussed point. Just a guess though.

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Posted 05 November 2011 - 01:03 AM

You know after some thought I find this plausible. Can't label it factual yet but plausible is a good start.

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Posted 06 November 2011 - 04:57 PM

This is relatively old news.

Now, in this thread somewhere, someone wonders why they would have embarked on such a journey.  First of all, under proper conditions, 3 months is far too long an estimate for the trip from the west coast of northern Europe to Greenland, which is right next to Baffin Island and the rest of NA proper.  Once you reach iceland, which the Vikings clearly had, you can see weather evidence of land to the west.  Not only that, but more than just the Vikings had already reached at least American waters.  There is some support for the idea that northwestern European countries may have sailed to certain places relatively close to NA for fishing.  This "new land" they fished by was never explored, because these were fishermen who wanted to keep the valuable knowledge of the location of plentiful fish stock secret.  As a maritime mercenary/trade culture, the Vikings clearly would have explored routes to new lands, for plunder or trade (they traded with many cultures too, not just pillaging, that's a common misconception).  

Of course, once the temperature of the world briefly went down for a couple centuries, the Vikings lost contact with their colonies in Greenland, Newfoundland, and wherever else they'd reached.

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 04:20 PM

View PostDruidus-Logos, on 06 November 2011 - 04:57 PM, said:

This is relatively old news.

Now, in this thread somewhere, someone wonders why they would have embarked on such a journey.  First of all, under proper conditions, 3 months is far too long an estimate for the trip from the west coast of northern Europe to Greenland, which is right next to Baffin Island and the rest of NA proper.  Once you reach iceland, which the Vikings clearly had, you can see weather evidence of land to the west.  Not only that, but more than just the Vikings had already reached at least American waters.  There is some support for the idea that northwestern European countries may have sailed to certain places relatively close to NA for fishing.  This "new land" they fished by was never explored, because these were fishermen who wanted to keep the valuable knowledge of the location of plentiful fish stock secret.  As a maritime mercenary/trade culture, the Vikings clearly would have explored routes to new lands, for plunder or trade (they traded with many cultures too, not just pillaging, that's a common misconception).  

Of course, once the temperature of the world briefly went down for a couple centuries, the Vikings lost contact with their colonies in Greenland, Newfoundland, and wherever else they'd reached.


Columbus had never crossed the ocean, he miscalculated the circumference of the earth, he had no concept of another continent and he swore Cuba was the mainland. Who gave him specific information on the distance to the New World? The information had to come from those who had been crossing the Atlantic for centuries before him -- the Norsemen and the Basques.

Nordic seafaring skills were passed on to other groups, and we know that by medieval times Basque seamen reached the Scandinavian fjords, the Baltic seas and later, with the development of the rudder and compass, reached Iceland and the coast of Terranova as they followed the cod and whale in pursuit of fish oil, the liquid gold of those years. Except for Canadian scientists, who have excavated Basque galleons, burial grounds and blubber-rendering works in Iceland and Terranova, the activities of the Basque whalers from the 11th to the 15th centuries have been overlooked
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Posted 08 November 2011 - 07:32 AM

Of course, there is tremendous amounts of evidence from ancient times, all over the world, showing for a fact that they new about americas already thousands of years ago and regularly traveled between americas and africa & europe. Vikings have been found in burials all over the world, from china to egypt, and there's plenty of other cultures that were sailing around the world, explorers, merchants having trading routes with different continents etc. There is absolutely no doubt about that and it is ridicoulous that large masses of people still believe Colombus discovered the Americas, and was one of the first people in the old world visiting the new world.

I've covered large amounts of research with evidence in my American Atlantis thread, where I've really gone in the depths and found some of the best evidence that leaves no question about ancient peoples of different continents being in touch and trading with eachother and sailing around to new lands.

Further on, Colombus himself already knew about Americas, and thats the reason he went there. He and his men were professional well-trained experienced sailors and would not fall that far off their ass as ending up in America instead of India as the official story says - and is still taught in schools to children.

Colombus worked on behalf of the Vatican, and it was the Pope that sent him on the mission, since they knew about Americas and the large amount of resources and possibilities there. His mission was to start the beginning of establishing the "New Atlantis", the Americas, as well as to get rid of large amounts of the natives and destroy their cultures and spiritual practices - just as they did with the witches in Europe. An additional missing was to retrieve valuable artifacts and items, among other things the Mayan calendar was brought back to the Vatican, where it went to analysis and studying until they figured it out and adjusted the Gregorian Calender in accordance with the Mayan Calendar, by making a new date be corresponding to the end date of the mayan calendar - 21st december 2012. This was highly signifcant because they are far from christians, more the opposite, and practices rituals, magick, occultism, esoteric activities and so on in serious depths. So they wanted to change the calendar of those days, which was the Julian one, to create the Gregorian one that had been synchronized in a much more useful occult way with the Mayan Calendar - including several very impotant dates that were already known about and planned back then. They are very obsessed with numerology and decided to make an event they had planned take place at a very deep, occult magical date, 12/21/12 - extremely esoteric and perfect for such ritualistic purposes. There was also another date of importance, which they needed to have on a specific date that would be more powerful numerologically towards the planned event of theirs, which would be the 911 incident. Another perfectly calculated numerological date, a date that is further on connected to 911 attack - or sacrificial occult ritual as it really were - was the 9/11 that passed recently this year 2011 - on the tenth aniversary date, straight on the very same date.

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Posted 08 November 2011 - 02:28 PM

They found Viking burials in China??

You don't happen to mean those Tocharians, right?


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Posted 08 November 2011 - 06:55 PM

View PostDamrod, on 02 November 2011 - 01:47 PM, said:

Well...seeing how it is actually proven they landed in Canada years before Columbus hit the continent...doesn't really matter now does it?  They have found long house foundations dating to the 11th and 12th century and other viking relics...Columbus was not the first...Welcome to Vinland btw...
Just curiosity (not doubting you) but which part of Canada do you refer to? Baffin Island?


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Posted 15 November 2011 - 05:08 PM

View PostBackFromTheDead, on 08 November 2011 - 06:55 PM, said:

Just curiosity (not doubting you) but which part of Canada do you refer to? Baffin Island?

Newfoundland, Nova Scotia and Labrador Island...I think...lol...I am positive the evidence was found and validated to something like the 11th or 12th century.  Roundhouse/longhouse foundations and iron and bronze artifacts... but honestly, I forget specifically what part, but I know it was one of the three....I am inclined to think it was Newfoundland/Nova Scotia and from there they went south into "Vineland" aka...land of grapes and wine....which would/could be north-eastern USA but we still don't have a collective agreement on where "Vineland" was.

No... it's pretty cut and dry and archaeologically proven that the Nordics hit the east coast of North America a couple centuries before Columbus did... but....who wants to pay to re-print all of those text books?

Side note...there is some (emphasis on "some") evidence that the Asians may have hit the west coast of north America even earlier...anchor stones (typical of Chinese "junks") off the coast of California seemingly date to the 8th or 9th century....nifty eh?....no more proof than that though...very cool stuff though.

Edited by Damrod, 15 November 2011 - 05:09 PM.





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